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Electric Comet

06/06/2015 11:21 AM

alternatives for sealing between rough opening and window and door sills/frames


i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
hate relationship of that stuff

my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
using it the next day but no go

tried with a new nozzle from another can too

the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
the product was a dow product

i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
solution from cans or tubes









This topic has 38 replies

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 8:33 AM

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 10:55:26 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On 09 Jun 2015 03:30:39 GMT
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>=20
> > I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
>=20
> now i know but there's no mention of that i could find on the can
>=20
...snip...

Assuming you are talking about Great Stuff...

I don't have a can to look at, but their website is pretty clear about the =
one-time use aspect - not that I'm suggesting that users should have to go =
to a website before using a product. I agree the label should list this ver=
y important fact. I've included some quotes below, but first there is this =
from:

http://msdssearch.dow.com/PublishedLiteratureDOWCOM/dh_08bd/0901b803808bd09=
1.pdf?filepath=3Dstyrofoam/pdfs/noreg/179-07324.pdf&fromPage=3DGetDoc

"ACCESSORIES
Using one of several PRO Series foam dispensing guns simplifies the applica=
tion of GREAT STUFF PRO(tm) Window & Door. In addition to enabling pinpoint=
application control, an airtight and moisture-tight seal between the gun a=
nd the can prevents the foam from curing and blocking the dispensing valve,=
allowing a can to be reused. GREAT STUFF PRO(tm) Gun Cleaner simplifies cl=
eanup of uncured polyurethane foam from dispensing guns."

If a consumer has a lot of gaps to fill and can't get them done in a short =
amount of time, perhaps buying a gun might offset the cost of throwing away=
cans that are only partially used.

e.g. eBay carries a "complete set" for $92 - 6 cans of Foam, a gun and a ca=
n of cleaner

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/190915153900?lpid=3D82&chn=3Dps

As far as the one-time-use "warnings" these are from the Dow websites.

http://greatstuff.dow.com/directions-and-safe-handling/

"Can will seal itself shut if allowed to sit unused for over two hours and =
may not be restarted. Expect one-time use."

http://greatstuff.dow.com/faq/

"Can I store GREAT STUFF(tm) if I don't use the whole can?
The GREAT STUFF(tm) foam straw will seal itself shut if left sitting for mo=
re than two hours after its last use. Inserting a pipe cleaner sprayed with=
oil lubricant into the applicator straw may prolong the life of the produc=
t. But it's better to plan ahead, identify and list all possible applicatio=
ns before using the can. The Air-Seal Audit Checklist can help."

If that info is not on the can, it should be.

DB

Dave Balderstone

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

10/06/2015 4:28 PM

In article <[email protected]>,
DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote:

> If that info is not on the can, it should be.

Not with the same number of words, but the can I have here says that.

--
Splinters in my Fingers blog: <http://woodenwabbits.blogspot.com>

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 12:56 PM

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 3:38:08 PM UTC-4, HerHusband wrote:
> >> if you have a window why not just open it
> >> i do not understand a window with a vent
>
> One, the vent works without having to manually do anything.
>
> Two, the window can be closed and locked for security and still have
> ventilation.
>
> Three, the vent is small, probably less than 1"x16" at the top of the
> window. Cracking the window even a tiny bit would be a much bigger
> opening.
>
> > I'm guessing that the fan/window vent system is automatic. When the
> > exhaust fan turns on, the suction causes the vent to open, allowing
> > fresh air to enter.
> > Imagine something similar in the exhaust vent for a dryer or bathroom
> > fan installed backwards. Closed when the fan is off, open inwards when
> > the fan is on.
>
> Actually the system is very simple, much easier than I pictured when we
> were building the house and faced with the Washington energy code. We had
> to pay a bit more to have the vents added to the windows, but it was a
> minor cost difference.
>
> The top rail of the windows is an inch or so taller, with a little
> screened vent running across the window. If you look at the very last
> picture on my house web page, you can see the vented windows on the right
> side of the house. Compare those to two non-vented windows on the front
> of the house, either side of the arched window. Visually, it's not a big
> difference.
>
> http://www.watsondiy.com/2003house.htm
>
> Inside the house each vented window has a little slider that can open and
> close, but we always leave the vents open for the fresh air, even on the
> coldest winter days. The vents are hidden behind the blinds, so we can't
> see them anyway (see the two side windows in the picture with the green
> couches). Otherwise, there are no flaps or other moving parts to the
> window vents.
>
> As for the ventilation fan, it's just a standard fan like you would
> install in a bathroom. The only requirement was that it be installed on a
> timer so it would continue to run even if someone turned it off. Any of
> the bathroom ventilation fans would comply, but I designated the fan in
> the laundry room as the whole house fan.
>
> Even though the fan is in the laundry room behind a closed door, our
> Panasonic vent fans are practically silent when running. So noise has not
> been an issue.
>
> Finally, there has to be a 1" gap at the bottom of the doors so air can
> flow from room to room. Not an issue since they're usually cut to clear
> carpets and whatnot anyway.
>
> They do make special wall vents that can be used instead of the window
> vents. But, I didn't want a bunch of holes in the walls or vents lining
> the outside of the house. The window vents just look better.
>
> I had my doubts when we were installing everything, but I have been
> surprised how well it works to keep the air fresh in the house.
>
> Anthony Watson
> www.mountainsoftware.com
> www.watsondiy.com

re: "Inside the house each vented window has a little slider that can open and close"

I've seen these types of vents, but I'm surprised that they were "allowed" based your codes.

They force you to have a fan, they force you have a timer on that fan, and (I think) they force you have a 1" gap on the bottom of the doors, yet they allow you to install vents that can be closed? Doesn't that seem a little odd?

Pp

Puckdropper

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 3:30 AM

Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration date on it
> and was unplesantly surprised that the date has come and gone
>
> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few cans of it
> and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year until expiration
>
> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver rope or buy
> this stuff they day before and use the whole can
>
> and wear gloves and eye protection
>

I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper considering the waste. The
foam always sealed the nozzle shut and if you removed it would seal the
can itself shut.

I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 8:54 AM

On Monday, June 8, 2015 at 11:17:47 AM UTC-4, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 13:09:42 +0000 (UTC)
> HerHusband <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Then to counteract that sealed effect we had to install a ventilation
> > fan to exhaust air out of the house and all of the windows had to
> > have air vents at the top to let fresh air in. The fan is on a timer
>
> if you have a window why not just open it
> i do not understand a window with a vent

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h25/boilerman90/window011.jpg

Just kidding.

I'm guessing that the fan/window vent system is automatic. When the exhaust fan turns on, the suction causes the vent to open, allowing fresh air to enter.

Imagine something similar in the exhaust vent for a dryer or bathroom fan installed backwards. Closed when the fan is off, open inwards when the fan is on.

Perhaps HerHusband can confirm.

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 8:31 AM

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> Poly Foam Caulk Rope
>
> john
>
> "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
> using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> solution from cans or tubes

Are you referring to Backer Rod?

You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into the crack. The goal is to creat a dead air space which act as the insulation.

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> Poly Foam Caulk Rope
>
> john
>
> "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
> using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> solution from cans or tubes

Are you referring to Backer Rod, also sometimes referred to as Poly Foam Caulk Saver?

You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into the crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as the insulation.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3010567

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

06/06/2015 8:18 PM

On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 3:17:18 PM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
> Electric Comet wrote:
> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my
> > love hate relationship of that stuff
> >
> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
> > tried using it the next day but no go
> >
> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
> >
> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this
> > foam the product was a dow product
> >
> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two
> > part solution from cans or tubes
>
> I don't fill it, no point, covered up by the casing.

No point? Unless you are caulking both your interior and exterior casing so completely as to create a dead air space, you have no insulation. You actually have a bunch of holes in your house.

Am I missing something?

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 8:29 AM

On 6/9/2015 8:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/8/2015 10:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration date on it
>>>> and was unplesantly surprised that the date has come and gone
>>>>
>>>> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few cans of it
>>>> and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year until expiration
>>>>
>>>> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver rope or buy
>>>> this stuff they day before and use the whole can
>>>>
>>>> and wear gloves and eye protection
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
>>> may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper considering the waste. The
>>> foam always sealed the nozzle shut and if you removed it would seal the
>>> can itself shut.
>>>
>>> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
>>>
>>> Puckdropper
>>>
>> As I mentioned in another post, if you clean the nozzle and application
>> tube with acetone you can use the remainder of the can at another time.
>
> Acetone is great for a number of things, you just have to be careful as it can melt certain materials. For example, it can soften the surface of some plastics such that the material looses its shine and smoothness after it dries.
>
> Here's a compatibility chart for many solvents vs. various plastics.
>
> https://capolight.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/solvent_compatibility.jpg?w=832&h=1005
>
As with any type solvent, it is prudent to read the precautionary
information on the can. Acetone is used in womans nail salons.
Brake fluid was mention in another post, it will damage paint in a heart
beat.

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 3:39 PM

On 6/7/2015 2:38 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Snip


>>
>> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into the
>> crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as the insulation.
>>
>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3010567
>
> You used the phrase "Poly Foam Caulk Rope" and then "Foam Rope". Could you please provide a link to the product that you are referring to?
>
> If I DAGS Poly Foam Caulk Rope, the vast majority of the hits are for Backer Rod, which is not typically used as the "insulation" itself. There are some hits for caulk rope, which is indeed used as caulk all by itself (since it has a putty consistency) but it is not considered poly foam or even foam. However, it is also not considered "insulation".
>
> I'm curious as to exactly what you are referring to as "Poly Foam Caulk Rope".

You might be trying to read too much into what he is saying.
Either way a Google search shows this for Poly Foam Caulk Rope, a
product made by Frost King.

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/10654894483206802650?q=Poly+Foam+Caulk+Rope&rlz=1C1CHUE_enUS575US575&espv=2&biw=1389&bih=761&bav=on.2,or.&bvm=bv.95039771,d.cGU&ion=1&tch=1&ech=1&psi=wqp0VYSYNYz0oASE6YHwBw.1433709250742.5&prds=paur:CmkAsKraXz7YSImRol1QtN8euR-Z4ZLQGtphmiHMvsj0w6WGu4W1fRnwpCBUoVHEbOTijF259eSoa5o5bZA20uiUo9bxdCMes8DvVQm_6vtwSoQ9NY6l13Ykd20FurSOOYxlBtBY2YTh2YgSGQBT1R-9ChB-YXPi__rR3Sjx7zsvAlkesSs&ved=0CAQQpis&ei=z6p0Ve7_GYStogT50YOgBg






Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 7:40 AM

On 6/8/2015 10:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration date on it
>> and was unplesantly surprised that the date has come and gone
>>
>> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few cans of it
>> and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year until expiration
>>
>> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver rope or buy
>> this stuff they day before and use the whole can
>>
>> and wear gloves and eye protection
>>
>
> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
> may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper considering the waste. The
> foam always sealed the nozzle shut and if you removed it would seal the
> can itself shut.
>
> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
>
> Puckdropper
>
As I mentioned in another post, if you clean the nozzle and application
tube with acetone you can use the remainder of the can at another time.


Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 11:06 AM

On 6/9/2015 8:37 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/9/15 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 6/9/2015 8:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>>> On 6/8/2015 10:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration
>>>>>> date on it and was unplesantly surprised that the date has
>>>>>> come and gone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few
>>>>>> cans of it and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year
>>>>>> until expiration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver
>>>>>> rope or buy this stuff they day before and use the whole can
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and wear gloves and eye protection
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The
>>>>> little cans may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper
>>>>> considering the waste. The foam always sealed the nozzle shut
>>>>> and if you removed it would seal the can itself shut.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Puckdropper
>>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in another post, if you clean the nozzle and
>>>> application tube with acetone you can use the remainder of the
>>>> can at another time.
>>>
>>> Acetone is great for a number of things, you just have to be
>>> careful as it can melt certain materials. For example, it can
>>> soften the surface of some plastics such that the material looses
>>> its shine and smoothness after it dries.
>>>
>>> Here's a compatibility chart for many solvents vs. various
>>> plastics.
>>>
>>> https://capolight.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/solvent_compatibility.jpg?w=832&h=1005
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> As with any type solvent, it is prudent to read the precautionary
>> information on the can. Acetone is used in womans nail salons. Brake
>> fluid was mention in another post, it will damage paint in a heart
>> beat.
>
> I wouldn't use acetone around paint, either. That's what it's removing
> in those salons. :-)
>
> I like brake cleaner because the tube goes down into the spray foam tube.
> I keep brake cleaner around for its many other uses. It's a superb
> degreaser, among other things.
>
>
OOPS! yeah sorry, I read brake cleaner as brake fluid. Totally agree
with brake cleaner working also. I finally quit working on my own
vehicles some years back and no longer have brake cleaner on hand nor do
I often visit an automotive supply store or department.

wn

woodchucker

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 4:51 PM

On 6/7/2015 8:32 PM, jloomis wrote:
> I agree with Leon.
> There are a variety of products that are foam tapes.
> They work as insulation.
> That is what the stuff in the can is similar to.
> I was just trying to give some alternatives to using the can stuff....
> Google it, go to Home Depot or a major hardware and they will have bags
> of the stuff.
> John
>
> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:34:36 PM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
>> Foam Rope can be used solely for insulating....
>> No caulking needed.
>> john
>>
>> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
>> > Poly Foam Caulk Rope
>> >
>> > john
>> >
>> > "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >
>> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
>> > hate relationship of that stuff
>> >
>> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
>> > tried
>> > using it the next day but no go
>> >
>> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>> >
>> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
>> > the product was a dow product
>> >
>> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
>> > solution from cans or tubes
>>
>> Are you referring to Backer Rod?
>>
>> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far
>> into the
>> crack. The goal is to creat a dead air space which act as the insulation.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
>> > Poly Foam Caulk Rope
>> >
>> > john
>> >
>> > "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >
>> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
>> > hate relationship of that stuff
>> >
>> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
>> > tried
>> > using it the next day but no go
>> >
>> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>> >
>> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
>> > the product was a dow product
>> >
>> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
>> > solution from cans or tubes
>>
>> Are you referring to Backer Rod, also sometimes referred to as Poly Foam
>> Caulk Saver?
>>
>> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far
>> into the
>> crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as the
>> insulation.
>>
>> http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3010567
>
> You used the phrase "Poly Foam Caulk Rope" and then "Foam Rope". Could
> you please provide a link to the product that you are referring to?
>
> If I DAGS Poly Foam Caulk Rope, the vast majority of the hits are for
> Backer Rod, which is not typically used as the "insulation" itself.
> There are some hits for caulk rope, which is indeed used as caulk all by
> itself (since it has a putty consistency) but it is not considered poly
> foam or even foam. However, it is also not considered "insulation".
>
> I'm curious as to exactly what you are referring to as "Poly Foam Caulk
> Rope".

Yes and no.
They are essentially the same, except that foam in a can will fill every
nook and cranny and bond to the structure. So there'll be no air or
water intrusion. While the foam rope is only has good as your fit and cut.

Don't use regular great stuff, you need to use a low expanding foam, to
prevent the window sashes from bowing.

--
Jeff

Hu

HerHusband

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 1:09 PM

> Personally, I think we go overboard in sealing up houses. It gives me
> the willies to see a new house hermetically sealed with plastic
> "wrap". I would not want to live in a house where closing the door
> makes your ears pop. What about the gasses generated by the
> occupants, cooking, cleaners and the outgassing of paint, etc? A
> little air exchange with the outside seems to me to be a good thing.

Here in Washington state we have fresh air ventilation requirements in the
building code. For homes with a central heat source, this is usually
accomplished with an air-to-air heat exchanger. But we have individual room
heaters so that approach wasn't an option.

Basically, we had to seal up the house tightly, caulking all gaps, etc.

Then to counteract that sealed effect we had to install a ventilation fan
to exhaust air out of the house and all of the windows had to have air
vents at the top to let fresh air in. The fan is on a timer so it runs
about 12 hours a day to pull fresh air through the house.

It seems counter productive, but our house always smells fresh, never
stuffy like our old houses. Despite the vents at every window, our heating
bills are lower than our previous house that was half the size.

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

Hu

HerHusband

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 7:36 PM

>> if you have a window why not just open it
>> i do not understand a window with a vent

One, the vent works without having to manually do anything.

Two, the window can be closed and locked for security and still have
ventilation.

Three, the vent is small, probably less than 1"x16" at the top of the
window. Cracking the window even a tiny bit would be a much bigger
opening.

> I'm guessing that the fan/window vent system is automatic. When the
> exhaust fan turns on, the suction causes the vent to open, allowing
> fresh air to enter.
> Imagine something similar in the exhaust vent for a dryer or bathroom
> fan installed backwards. Closed when the fan is off, open inwards when
> the fan is on.

Actually the system is very simple, much easier than I pictured when we
were building the house and faced with the Washington energy code. We had
to pay a bit more to have the vents added to the windows, but it was a
minor cost difference.

The top rail of the windows is an inch or so taller, with a little
screened vent running across the window. If you look at the very last
picture on my house web page, you can see the vented windows on the right
side of the house. Compare those to two non-vented windows on the front
of the house, either side of the arched window. Visually, it's not a big
difference.

http://www.watsondiy.com/2003house.htm

Inside the house each vented window has a little slider that can open and
close, but we always leave the vents open for the fresh air, even on the
coldest winter days. The vents are hidden behind the blinds, so we can't
see them anyway (see the two side windows in the picture with the green
couches). Otherwise, there are no flaps or other moving parts to the
window vents.

As for the ventilation fan, it's just a standard fan like you would
install in a bathroom. The only requirement was that it be installed on a
timer so it would continue to run even if someone turned it off. Any of
the bathroom ventilation fans would comply, but I designated the fan in
the laundry room as the whole house fan.

Even though the fan is in the laundry room behind a closed door, our
Panasonic vent fans are practically silent when running. So noise has not
been an issue.

Finally, there has to be a 1" gap at the bottom of the doors so air can
flow from room to room. Not an issue since they're usually cut to clear
carpets and whatnot anyway.

They do make special wall vents that can be used instead of the window
vents. But, I didn't want a bunch of holes in the walls or vents lining
the outside of the house. The window vents just look better.

I had my doubts when we were installing everything, but I have been
surprised how well it works to keep the air fresh in the house.

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

Hu

HerHusband

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 9:22 PM

> re: "Inside the house each vented window has a little slider that can
> open and close"
>
> I've seen these types of vents, but I'm surprised that they were
> "allowed" based your codes.
> They force you to have a fan, they force you have a timer on that fan,
> and (I think) they force you have a 1" gap on the bottom of the doors,
> yet they allow you to install vents that can be closed? Doesn't that
> seem a little odd?

Yep, it does sound kind of odd, though the vents aren't exactly air tight
when closed.

As I said, we just leave ours open all of the time. Unless we stand
directly in front of the window, we can't feel any air coming through the
vent even on a cold windy day.

Ironically, most people would probably close the vents in the winter when
there's a greater need to bring fresh air into the building (since windows
aren't opened as often).

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

Hu

HerHusband

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 5:18 AM

> it all sounds overly complicated

Small vents to let fresh air in, a small fan to push stale air out, and a
timer to make sure it isn't turned off. Seems rather simple to me.

> i am now wondering what code hoops you would have to jump through
> if you want a fireplace to burn real wood
> or is that not allowed anymore

We had no problems with our woodstove permit and installation.

Other than the usual distances from combustible materials and clearances
for the chimney, the only requirement was a separate air intake for the
stove. Basically so it pulls in outside air instead of pulling air from the
conditioned space. All that took was a small metal duct and a hole in the
floor to our crawl space.

Anthony Watson
www.mountainsoftware.com
www.watsondiy.com

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 12:38 PM

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:34:36 PM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> Foam Rope can be used solely for insulating....
> No caulking needed.
> john
>=20
> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message=20
> news:[email protected]...
>=20
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> > Poly Foam Caulk Rope
> >
> > john
> >
> > "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> > hate relationship of that stuff
> >
> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tri=
ed
> > using it the next day but no go
> >
> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
> >
> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> > the product was a dow product
> >
> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> > solution from cans or tubes
>=20
> Are you referring to Backer Rod?
>=20
> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into t=
he=20
> crack. The goal is to creat a dead air space which act as the insulation.
>=20
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> > Poly Foam Caulk Rope
> >
> > john
> >
> > "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> > hate relationship of that stuff
> >
> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tri=
ed
> > using it the next day but no go
> >
> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
> >
> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> > the product was a dow product
> >
> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> > solution from cans or tubes
>=20
> Are you referring to Backer Rod, also sometimes referred to as Poly Foam=
=20
> Caulk Saver?
>=20
> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into t=
he=20
> crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as the insulatio=
n.
>=20
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3D3010567

You used the phrase "Poly Foam Caulk Rope" and then "Foam Rope". Could you =
please provide a link to the product that you are referring to?

If I DAGS Poly Foam Caulk Rope, the vast majority of the hits are for Bac=
ker Rod, which is not typically used as the "insulation" itself. There are =
some hits for caulk rope, which is indeed used as caulk all by itself (sinc=
e it has a putty consistency) but it is not considered poly foam or even fo=
am. However, it is also not considered "insulation".

I'm curious as to exactly what you are referring to as "Poly Foam Caulk Rop=
e".

Dt

DerbyDad03

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 6:22 AM

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
> On 6/8/2015 10:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> > Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> >>
> >> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration date on it
> >> and was unplesantly surprised that the date has come and gone
> >>
> >> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few cans of it
> >> and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year until expiration
> >>
> >> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver rope or buy
> >> this stuff they day before and use the whole can
> >>
> >> and wear gloves and eye protection
> >>
> >
> > I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
> > may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper considering the waste. The
> > foam always sealed the nozzle shut and if you removed it would seal the
> > can itself shut.
> >
> > I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
> >
> > Puckdropper
> >
> As I mentioned in another post, if you clean the nozzle and application
> tube with acetone you can use the remainder of the can at another time.

Acetone is great for a number of things, you just have to be careful as it can melt certain materials. For example, it can soften the surface of some plastics such that the material looses its shine and smoothness after it dries.

Here's a compatibility chart for many solvents vs. various plastics.

https://capolight.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/solvent_compatibility.jpg?w=832&h=1005

Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 11:10 AM

On 6/9/2015 9:49 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On 09 Jun 2015 03:30:39 GMT
> Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
>
> now i know but there's no mention of that i could find on the can
>
>> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
>
> and the problem of the expiration date
>
> i took the can that was clogged to see what happened
>
> i put it inside a clear trash bag and punctured the can
> they are under much higher pressure than a spray paint can
>
> but the interesting thing was that it did spray out some foam but
> a lot that came out was just liquid so i think it really was expired
>
> this was before i noticed that they had an expiration date on the
> bottom
>

There is a good chance that the product mixes as it exits the container.
Puncturing the can probably released one of the parts that might mix,
hence it did not foam. I have had cans last for years if properly
cleaned after use. Not totally unlike two part epoxy.



dd

"dadiOH"

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

06/06/2015 3:17 PM

Electric Comet wrote:
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my
> love hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
> tried using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this
> foam the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two
> part solution from cans or tubes

I don't fill it, no point, covered up by the casing.

Bn

BenignBodger

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

06/06/2015 4:16 PM

On 6/6/2015 2:21 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
> using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> solution from cans or tubes
>
Before there was spray foam, folks used to simply insert minimally
compressed insulation material into the gaps. Not as absolute a seal as
foam but, if done properly, it can minimize heat flow pretty effectively.

jj

"jloomis"

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 6:44 AM

They do sell long ropes of differing sizes of foam.
I like these.
One can purchase at a less expensive cost.
They store.
You use a larger that "crack size" and stuff it in.
If the space is bigger you can double it up.
It tears with a quick rip.
I get tired of these miracle foams and sealants that seem to always end up
on your pants,
window, or tools. Yes, the low expansion product is better.
I believe they have a water clean up foam also.
The cans only hold so much.

John


"Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...


i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
hate relationship of that stuff

my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
using it the next day but no go

tried with a new nozzle from another can too

the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
the product was a dow product

i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
solution from cans or tubes







jj

"jloomis"

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 6:46 AM

Poly Foam Caulk Rope

john

"Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...


i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
hate relationship of that stuff

my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
using it the next day but no go

tried with a new nozzle from another can too

the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
the product was a dow product

i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
solution from cans or tubes







Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 11:23 AM

On 6/7/15 10:31 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> Are you referring to Backer Rod, also sometimes referred to as Poly
> Foam Caulk Saver?
>
> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far
> into the crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as
> the insulation.
>
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3010567
>
>

One of the most important functions of backer rod is to allow caulk to
expand and contract without pulling away from one of the two side its
bridging. Caulk has to act like an accordion between the two surfaces
to which it's attached. If it's connected on 3 sides or put on too
thick, it will pull away from one surface when it contracts. If it's
only attached to two surfaces and isn't too deep, it will be able to
shrink and expand like an accordion. The foam backer allows this.

http://emseal.com/Knowledge/Hour-Glass/Sealant-In-Tension-hour-glass-shape.htm


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

jj

"jloomis"

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 11:33 AM

Foam Rope can be used solely for insulating....
No caulking needed.
john

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> Poly Foam Caulk Rope
>
> john
>
> "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
> using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> solution from cans or tubes

Are you referring to Backer Rod?

You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into the
crack. The goal is to creat a dead air space which act as the insulation.

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> Poly Foam Caulk Rope
>
> john
>
> "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
> using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> solution from cans or tubes

Are you referring to Backer Rod, also sometimes referred to as Poly Foam
Caulk Saver?

You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into the
crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as the insulation.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3010567

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 2:24 PM

will try this next time combined with some cheap sealant

didn't know they had a water clean up foam
only saw this one brand in different varieties

low expansion
high for large gap, etc.


On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 06:44:17 -0700
"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:

> They do sell long ropes of differing sizes of foam.
> I like these.
> One can purchase at a less expensive cost.
> They store.
> You use a larger that "crack size" and stuff it in.
> If the space is bigger you can double it up.
> It tears with a quick rip.
> I get tired of these miracle foams and sealants that seem to always
> end up on your pants,
> window, or tools. Yes, the low expansion product is better.
> I believe they have a water clean up foam also.
> The cans only hold so much.
>
> John
>
>
> "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my
> love hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
> tried using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this
> foam the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two
> part solution from cans or tubes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

jj

"jloomis"

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

07/06/2015 5:32 PM

I agree with Leon.
There are a variety of products that are foam tapes.
They work as insulation.
That is what the stuff in the can is similar to.
I was just trying to give some alternatives to using the can stuff....
Google it, go to Home Depot or a major hardware and they will have bags of
the stuff.
John

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 2:34:36 PM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> Foam Rope can be used solely for insulating....
> No caulking needed.
> john
>
> "DerbyDad03" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> > Poly Foam Caulk Rope
> >
> > john
> >
> > "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> > hate relationship of that stuff
> >
> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
> > tried
> > using it the next day but no go
> >
> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
> >
> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> > the product was a dow product
> >
> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> > solution from cans or tubes
>
> Are you referring to Backer Rod?
>
> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into
> the
> crack. The goal is to creat a dead air space which act as the insulation.
>
> On Sunday, June 7, 2015 at 9:46:44 AM UTC-4, jloomis wrote:
> > Poly Foam Caulk Rope
> >
> > john
> >
> > "Electric Comet" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> > hate relationship of that stuff
> >
> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
> > tried
> > using it the next day but no go
> >
> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
> >
> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> > the product was a dow product
> >
> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> > solution from cans or tubes
>
> Are you referring to Backer Rod, also sometimes referred to as Poly Foam
> Caulk Saver?
>
> You stuff it in the crack to keep regular caulk from going too far into
> the
> crack. The goal is to create a dead air space which acts as the
> insulation.
>
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_127194-1410-C23H_0__?productId=3010567

You used the phrase "Poly Foam Caulk Rope" and then "Foam Rope". Could you
please provide a link to the product that you are referring to?

If I DAGS Poly Foam Caulk Rope, the vast majority of the hits are for
Backer Rod, which is not typically used as the "insulation" itself. There
are some hits for caulk rope, which is indeed used as caulk all by itself
(since it has a putty consistency) but it is not considered poly foam or
even foam. However, it is also not considered "insulation".

I'm curious as to exactly what you are referring to as "Poly Foam Caulk
Rope".

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 8:12 AM

On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 13:09:42 +0000 (UTC)
HerHusband <[email protected]> wrote:

> Then to counteract that sealed effect we had to install a ventilation
> fan to exhaust air out of the house and all of the windows had to
> have air vents at the top to let fresh air in. The fan is on a timer

if you have a window why not just open it
i do not understand a window with a vent











EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 6:03 PM

On Mon, 8 Jun 2015 19:36:49 +0000 (UTC)
HerHusband <[email protected]> wrote:

> Two, the window can be closed and locked for security and still have
> ventilation.

glass window closed versus open does not present a big difference
in security

> Three, the vent is small, probably less than 1"x16" at the top of the
> window. Cracking the window even a tiny bit would be a much bigger
> opening.

it all sounds overly complicated

what ever happened to throwing on a sweater when it gets cold and
opening a window for some air

i am now wondering what code hoops you would have to jump through
if you want a fireplace to burn real wood

or is that not allowed anymore












EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 6:09 PM

On Sun, 7 Jun 2015 06:44:17 -0700
"jloomis" <[email protected]> wrote:

> They do sell long ropes of differing sizes of foam.
> I like these.
> One can purchase at a less expensive cost.
> They store.

i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration date on it and
was unplesantly surprised that the date has come and gone

i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few cans of it and
the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year until expiration

the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver rope or buy
this stuff they day before and use the whole can

and wear gloves and eye protection










Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 12:15 AM

On 6/8/15 10:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>
>> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration date on it
>> and was unplesantly surprised that the date has come and gone
>>
>> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few cans of it
>> and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year until expiration
>>
>> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver rope or buy
>> this stuff they day before and use the whole can
>>
>> and wear gloves and eye protection
>>
>
> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans
> may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper considering the waste. The
> foam always sealed the nozzle shut and if you removed it would seal the
> can itself shut.
>
> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
>
> Puckdropper
>

I use cans for multiple uses by cleaning out the nozzle and tube with
brake cleaner.
It's dissolves the stuff on contact.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 8:37 AM

On 6/9/15 8:29 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/9/2015 8:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Leon wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2015 10:30 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
>>>> Electric Comet <[email protected]> wrote in
>>>> news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i just noticed that this "great stuff" have an expiration
>>>>> date on it and was unplesantly surprised that the date has
>>>>> come and gone
>>>>>
>>>>> i did not check at the store but i should have i had a few
>>>>> cans of it and the dates were from 6 mos. to more than a year
>>>>> until expiration
>>>>>
>>>>> the moral of the story is either use poly foam caulk saver
>>>>> rope or buy this stuff they day before and use the whole can
>>>>>
>>>>> and wear gloves and eye protection
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The
>>>> little cans may cost more per ounce, but are cheaper
>>>> considering the waste. The foam always sealed the nozzle shut
>>>> and if you removed it would seal the can itself shut.
>>>>
>>>> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.
>>>>
>>>> Puckdropper
>>>>
>>> As I mentioned in another post, if you clean the nozzle and
>>> application tube with acetone you can use the remainder of the
>>> can at another time.
>>
>> Acetone is great for a number of things, you just have to be
>> careful as it can melt certain materials. For example, it can
>> soften the surface of some plastics such that the material looses
>> its shine and smoothness after it dries.
>>
>> Here's a compatibility chart for many solvents vs. various
>> plastics.
>>
>> https://capolight.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/solvent_compatibility.jpg?w=832&h=1005
>>
>>
>>
> As with any type solvent, it is prudent to read the precautionary
> information on the can. Acetone is used in womans nail salons. Brake
> fluid was mention in another post, it will damage paint in a heart
> beat.

I wouldn't use acetone around paint, either. That's what it's removing
in those salons. :-)

I like brake cleaner because the tube goes down into the spray foam tube.
I keep brake cleaner around for its many other uses. It's a superb
degreaser, among other things.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 7:49 AM

On 09 Jun 2015 03:30:39 GMT
Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

> I've always considered the stuff to be one-time use. The little cans

now i know but there's no mention of that i could find on the can

> I'd keep more of it around if it wasn't for that problem.

and the problem of the expiration date

i took the can that was clogged to see what happened

i put it inside a clear trash bag and punctured the can
they are under much higher pressure than a spray paint can

but the interesting thing was that it did spray out some foam but
a lot that came out was just liquid so i think it really was expired

this was before i noticed that they had an expiration date on the
bottom









EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 7:54 AM

On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 00:15:33 -0500
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

> I use cans for multiple uses by cleaning out the nozzle and tube with
> brake cleaner.
> It's dissolves the stuff on contact.

will try this next time

do you know if you have ever gone past the expiration date










EC

Electric Comet

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 7:57 AM

On Tue, 9 Jun 2015 05:18:52 +0000 (UTC)
HerHusband <[email protected]> wrote:

> Small vents to let fresh air in, a small fan to push stale air out,
> and a timer to make sure it isn't turned off. Seems rather simple to
> me.

just more stuff to break

> We had no problems with our woodstove permit and installation.

there is hope then










Mm

-MIKE-

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

09/06/2015 11:25 PM

On 6/9/15 9:54 AM, Electric Comet wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Jun 2015 00:15:33 -0500
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I use cans for multiple uses by cleaning out the nozzle and tube with
>> brake cleaner.
>> It's dissolves the stuff on contact.
>
> will try this next time
>
> do you know if you have ever gone past the expiration date
>

I do not recall.


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GR

"G. Ross"

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

08/06/2015 4:01 AM

DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, June 6, 2015 at 3:17:18 PM UTC-4, dadiOH wrote:
>> Electric Comet wrote:
>> > i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my
>> > love hate relationship of that stuff
>> >
>> > my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i
>> > tried using it the next day but no go
>> >
>> > tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>> >
>> > the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this
>> > foam the product was a dow product
>> >
>> > i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two
>> > part solution from cans or tubes
>>
>> I don't fill it, no point, covered up by the casing.
>
> No point? Unless you are caulking both your interior and exterior casing so completely as to create a dead air space, you have no insulation. You actually have a bunch of holes in your house.
>
> Am I missing something?
>
Personally, I think we go overboard in sealing up houses. It gives me
the willies to see a new house hermetically sealed with plastic
"wrap". I would not want to live in a house where closing the door
makes your ears pop. What about the gasses generated by the
occupants, cooking, cleaners and the outgassing of paint, etc? A
little air exchange with the outside seems to me to be a good thing.

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GW Ross

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them.





Ll

Leon

in reply to Electric Comet on 06/06/2015 11:21 AM

06/06/2015 4:30 PM

On 6/6/2015 1:21 PM, Electric Comet wrote:
>
> i used the usual low expansion foam from a can and was reminded my love
> hate relationship of that stuff
>
> my first mistake was to not use up the entire can at one time and i tried
> using it the next day but no go
>
> tried with a new nozzle from another can too
>
> the job is done now but i wonder if there are alternatives to this foam
> the product was a dow product
>
> i would not mind something that expanded really slow or even a two part
> solution from cans or tubes
>


A touch of acetone will clean the product out of the application tube
and the tip coming out of the can before it cures. Very similar as
cleanup of polyurethane glue.


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