Metal Lathe

"Bob AZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> I came up empty on this. Any suggestions?

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"Bob AZ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Bill

> By the way, I ran across a seemingly "great" book yesterday, "Modern
> Toolmaking Methods", by Franklin T. Jones, 1915. It's available for free
> download via Google (books). I think it transcends woodworking or
> metalworking. I'll leave it to someone who's actually read it to comment
> further if they want to. It left me with a "I wish I had found this
> sooner" sort of feeling.
>
> Bill

I came up empty on this. Any suggestions?

Bob AZ


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http://www.craftsmanspace.com/free-books/modern-tool-making-methods.html

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> At an estate sale, I ran across a collection of a few DOZEN 3/8" tool bits
> mostly ground to various shapes, some unground, and quite a few pieces of
> cylindrical stock (probably steel, too hard?).
>
> Might this be worth collecting for use on a mini-lathe later? Browsing at
> Amazon, it appears that the cutting bits go for less than I might have
> guessed--but maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges. Bits like this aren't
> too big for use on a mini-lathe, are they? I think they are surely old
> (but no rust). Think they are worth chasing down? I will try unless you
> talk me out of it! : )
>
> Of course, I'm the same person who was (almost "out of his mind")
> seriously considering buying a 50 year old metalworking lathe a few weeks
> ago. After doing a little research, I now realize that would probably
> have been a mistake--surely well-worn and "impossible" to get parts for. A
> mini-lathe would probably serve me fine, with probably a lot less
> headaches! There are some "one of a kind" parts I would like to craft for
> a 19th-century style banjo.
>
> Bill

Perfect size. If you get them at a good price, do it.

Bill

> By the way, I ran across a seemingly "great" book yesterday, "Modern
> Toolmaking Methods", by Franklin T. Jones, 1915. It's available for free
> download via Google (books). =A0I think it transcends woodworking or
> metalworking. I'll leave it to someone who's actually read it to comment
> further if they want to. =A0It left me with a "I wish I had found this
> sooner" sort of feeling.
>
> Bill

I came up empty on this. Any suggestions?

Bob AZ

"Bill" wrote:

> At an estate sale, I ran across a collection of a few DOZEN 3/8"
> tool bits mostly ground to various shapes, some unground, and quite
> a few pieces of cylindrical stock (probably steel, too hard?).
>
> Might this be worth collecting for use on a mini-lathe later?

Assume they all have to be sharpened.

$1/pound sounds about right.

Lew

Bill wrote:
> Here's a much better view of that "tool box" I was describing.
> Evidently, it's holding just what is was designed for...
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Machinist-s-14-Drawer-Oak-Chest/H8266
>
> Auction tomorrow...
>
> Bill

Check to see if it's a Gerstner tool chest.

See:

http://www.gerstnerusa.com/CARTgallery1.htm

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Buffalo, NY - USA
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On 2010-10-04 22:25:43 -0400, Bill <[email protected]> said:

> I will look. Thanks! -Bill

Check Craigslist. Somebody in the Indpls area has listed a South Bend
lathe under the rather opaque title, "10." There are several smaller
metal lathes listed as well.

In article <[email protected]>,
Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since you folks have helped to cultivate me into a "tool junkie", I have
> the following question. Which, if any, of the metal lathes/mills on
> the following page would you buy, and why (what would you make?)? I
> assume at the very least one could make some cool drawer pulls, though I
> think that it would be difficult to justify ownership on that.

> http://www.grizzly.com/products/category.aspx?key=460000

To be honest Bill, I think you have to have some sort of idea of what you
need to make before deciding on the size of your lathe. It also depends on
the size of your shop and your wallet. It is generally agreed by metal
workers that if possible you should get separate lathe and mill, not a
combo, for all sorts of reasons.

Around a year ago I bought a lathe similar in size to the G8688 and I am
pleased with it but have had no-where near the amount of time I would like
to spend on it.

So far, apart from pure exercises in turning, I have made new swivel feet
for some old "G" cramps, a replacement swivel for an adjustable spotlight
(I lengthened it at the same time) which is over the vice end of my bench
and a bit of turning for a friend.

I don't have a wood lathe so I also bought the wood turning rest, which
comes with a drive dog, and there are many plastics which can be machined
also.

There are two main manufacturers of these lathes in China, Sieg and Red
Bull. They are pretty well identical and are said to be derived from an
original Russian design. They are imported by various companies who put
their own badge on them and, depending on the precision you require, need
a certain amount of work to "get right".

Do allow in your budget for the tooling you will need, which can amount to
a sizable amount.

I recommend subscribing to

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7x12minilathe/

Where you will find a great deal of help and useful advice.

Stuart

On Sep 27, 8:23=A0pm, Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since you folks have helped to cultivate me into a "tool junkie", I have
> the following question. =A0 Which, if any, of the metal lathes/mills on
> the following page would you buy, and why (what would you make?)? =A0I
> assume at the very least one could make some cool drawer pulls, though I
> think that it would be difficult to justify ownership on that.
>
> http://www.grizzly.com/products/category.aspx?key=3D460000
>
Bill

I looked at the link and the Grizzlys were sorted by price. So
determine your budget and see f you can live with whatever. I bought a
Birmingham 13 X 40 about 4 years ago. Been pleased with it. Went
through billsmachineshop.com I think it is. What made the final
determination was the space I had for it and I did want the 40" center
to center.

As another said allow for tooling. I probably have spent $1000.00 for
tooling. I did luck out and got a real load of stuff at an auction.
Have sold what I did not need for almost the $1000.00 I paid for
tooling.

Bob AZ

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> Another great place to ask these questions would be the
>> rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup.
>>
>
> I've enjoyed following several of your posts there.
>
> I thought it was worth reporting that they appear to have a more difficult
> time staying on topic in that newsgroup then we do here in the Wreck! : )

That they do! There are some metalworkers who double as survivalists who
think posting to multiple newsgroups at the same time is acceptable and fun.
Pfft.

> By the way, I ran across a seemingly "great" book yesterday, "Modern
> Toolmaking Methods", by Franklin T. Jones, 1915. It's available for free
> download via Google (books). I think it transcends woodworking or
> metalworking. I'll leave it to someone who's actually read it to comment
> further if they want to. It left me with a "I wish I had found this
> sooner" sort of feeling.

I'll check out the links posted in the follow-ups. Thank you.
--


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On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:46:30 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 9/28/2010 4:39 AM, Stuart wrote:
>
>> Do allow in your budget for the tooling you will need, which can amount to
>> a sizable amount.
>>
>> I recommend subscribing to
>>
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7x12minilathe/
>
>Done. Thank you for your post!
>
>Being familiar with the difference between wood and metal, I also
>subscribed to rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup right after I sent my
>post last night (thanks Joe). I saw some Wrecker's names there too! :)

<waves hand> Also see the mini website. Great stuff.
www.mini-lathe.com which also covers mods to the mini-mills.

--
You can't wait for inspiration. You have to go after it with a club.
--Jack London

I suspect the 50 year old metal lathe may run extremely well, even
today. Yes, if it is broken it would be harder to get parts. Yes, if
it is broken it may not be the right machine. But I think you should
consider it if possible. Also, owwm.org has added a metal working
posting page. Ask a few of those folks about the one you saw. See what
they think.

Mike in Ohio hilliardman on owwm
<snip>>
> Of course, I'm the same person who was (almost "out of his mind")
> seriously considering buying a 50 year old metalworking lathe a few
> weeks ago. After doing a little research, I now realize that would
> probably have been a mistake--surely well-worn and "impossible" to get
> parts for. A mini-lathe would probably serve me fine, with probably a
> lot less headaches! There are some "one of a kind" parts I would like to
> craft for a 19th-century style banjo.
>
> Bill

On 9/28/2010 4:39 AM, Stuart wrote:

> Do allow in your budget for the tooling you will need, which can amount to
> a sizable amount.
>
> I recommend subscribing to
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7x12minilathe/

Done. Thank you for your post!

Being familiar with the difference between wood and metal, I also
subscribed to rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup right after I sent my
post last night (thanks Joe). I saw some Wrecker's names there too! :)

Bill

>
> Where you will find a great deal of help and useful advice.
>
> Stuart

Bob AZ wrote:

> I looked at the link and the Grizzlys were sorted by price. So
> determine your budget and see f you can live with whatever. I bought a
> Birmingham 13 X 40 about 4 years ago. Been pleased with it.

<snip>

> Bob AZ
>

I looked at your lathe. Very nice! I've got a lot to learn. I found
someone as work who is willing to give me a short lesson. Basicially, I
learned about a project he had, and I asked if I could watch! : )

Bill

Joe AutoDrill wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Another great place to ask these questions would be the
> rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup.
>

I've enjoyed following several of your posts there.

I thought it was worth reporting that they appear to have a more
difficult time staying on topic in that newsgroup then we do here in the
Wreck! : )

By the way, I ran across a seemingly "great" book yesterday, "Modern
Toolmaking Methods", by Franklin T. Jones, 1915. It's available for free
download via Google (books). I think it transcends woodworking or
metalworking. I'll leave it to someone who's actually read it to comment
further if they want to. It left me with a "I wish I had found this
sooner" sort of feeling.

Bill

On 9/30/2010 9:04 AM, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>> By the way, I ran across a seemingly "great" book yesterday, "Modern
>> Toolmaking Methods", by Franklin T. Jones, 1915. It's available for free
>> download via Google (books). I think it transcends woodworking or
>> metalworking. I'll leave it to someone who's actually read it to comment
>> further if they want to. It left me with a "I wish I had found this
>> sooner" sort of feeling.
>
> I'll check out the links posted in the follow-ups. Thank you.


FYI, I noticed that the author also has published a number of related books.

Having spent a bit more time with the book, I mentioned, I was curious
whether it has been succeeded by a more modern one that someone might
recommend?

Bill

CW wrote:
> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message

>> Having spent a bit more time with the book, I mentioned, I was curious
>> whether it has been succeeded by a more modern one that someone might
>> recommend?
>
> After looking around a while, you will see that the most informative books
> on machine work were written before the mid 1900's.
>

I wondered whether something like this was true. Thanks for your post.

Bill

Stuart wrote:

> I recommend subscribing to
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/7x12minilathe/
>
> Where you will find a great deal of help and useful advice.
>
> Stuart

Stuart, You are definitely right. This is the first forum/site related
to metalworking I've seen that had posts I could relate to.
Thanks, Bill

At an estate sale, I ran across a collection of a few DOZEN 3/8" tool
bits mostly ground to various shapes, some unground, and quite a few
pieces of cylindrical stock (probably steel, too hard?).

Might this be worth collecting for use on a mini-lathe later? Browsing
at Amazon, it appears that the cutting bits go for less than I might
have guessed--but maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges. Bits like this
aren't too big for use on a mini-lathe, are they? I think they are
surely old (but no rust). Think they are worth chasing down? I will
try unless you talk me out of it! : )

Of course, I'm the same person who was (almost "out of his mind")
seriously considering buying a 50 year old metalworking lathe a few
weeks ago. After doing a little research, I now realize that would
probably have been a mistake--surely well-worn and "impossible" to get
parts for. A mini-lathe would probably serve me fine, with probably a
lot less headaches! There are some "one of a kind" parts I would like
to craft for a 19th-century style banjo.

Bill

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Bill" wrote:
>
>> At an estate sale, I ran across a collection of a few DOZEN 3/8"
>> tool bits mostly ground to various shapes, some unground, and quite
>> a few pieces of cylindrical stock (probably steel, too hard?).
>>
>> Might this be worth collecting for use on a mini-lathe later?
>
> Assume they all have to be sharpened.
>
> $1/pound sounds about right.
>
> Lew

Thank you. That doesn't make them sound too valuable.
They are all currently residing in a fancy antique tool chest which
could quite likely get in my way of getting the bits. It has lots of
drawers, some side-by-side, and a slide out cover which buckles down,and
a mirror. It's exactly like this one I located on Google if you can
follow this long link:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.flamboroughauctions.net/upload/item/246/tool%2520chest.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flamboroughauctions.net/auction/auctionHome.do%3Fid%3D28&usg=__N57k_3WcoqqZjwPDV8lZcz3vIOw=&h=360&w=640&sz=119&hl=en&start=43&zoom=1&tbnid=gAW-Wq47CHmZHM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=174&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dantique%2Btool%2Bchest%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26biw%3D1258%26bih%3D594%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=343&ei=eXiqTLyRGMaknQfXmoTdBg&oei=TXiqTJnDPMaknQfB0O2_Bg&esq=3&page=3&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:13,s:43&tx=67&ty=56

However, the one in the picture appears to be in better condition. I
was only after the bits and metal stock anyway! Maybe my wife would love
to see the toolbox in the living room? :) No, seriously!

Bill

Michael Kenefick wrote:
> I suspect the 50 year old metal lathe may run extremely well, even
> today. Yes, if it is broken it would be harder to get parts. Yes, if it
> is broken it may not be the right machine. But I think you should
> consider it if possible. Also, owwm.org has added a metal working
> posting page. Ask a few of those folks about the one you saw. See what
> they think.
>

I will look. Thanks! -Bill

Here's a much better view of that "tool box" I was describing.
Evidently, it's holding just what is was designed for...

http://www.grizzly.com/products/Machinist-s-14-Drawer-Oak-Chest/H8266

Auction tomorrow...

Bill

Nova wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>> Here's a much better view of that "tool box" I was describing.
>> Evidently, it's holding just what is was designed for...
>>
>> http://www.grizzly.com/products/Machinist-s-14-Drawer-Oak-Chest/H8266
>>
>> Auction tomorrow...
>>
>> Bill
>
> Check to see if it's a Gerstner tool chest.
>
> See:
>
> http://www.gerstnerusa.com/CARTgallery1.htm


It was an imitation Gerstner. I found a similar one at Amazon.com for
$139. The auctioneer even said it "looked like" a Gerstner. With it's
content: several calipers, cutting bits, blanks, and other small
miscellaneous stuff, it went for $140 + 10% (buyer's premium) + 7%
sales tax. I was prepared to bid but turned away when the bidding got
to $100. I don't even own a lathe--but I figured there was enough
there to get me off to a good start! : )

Each item I encounter like this leaves me a little wiser. For instance,
last week I would not been able to tell the difference between a
machinist's toolbox and a loaf of bread...and that's just a run of the
mill bit.... %)

Bill

Lots of folks think 50 is a magic number- doe a search for Old Woodworking
Machines, and then down to Old Metalworking machines. All sorts of folks
rebuilding, using them
Anne
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> At an estate sale, I ran across a collection of a few DOZEN 3/8" tool
>> bits mostly ground to various shapes, some unground, and quite a few
>> pieces of cylindrical stock (probably steel, too hard?).
>>
>> Might this be worth collecting for use on a mini-lathe later? Browsing
>> at Amazon, it appears that the cutting bits go for less than I might have
>> guessed--but maybe I'm comparing apples and oranges. Bits like this
>> aren't too big for use on a mini-lathe, are they? I think they are
>> surely old (but no rust). Think they are worth chasing down? I will try
>> unless you talk me out of it! : )
>>
>> Of course, I'm the same person who was (almost "out of his mind")
>> seriously considering buying a 50 year old metalworking lathe a few weeks
>> ago. After doing a little research, I now realize that would probably
>> have been a mistake--surely well-worn and "impossible" to get parts for.
>> A mini-lathe would probably serve me fine, with probably a lot less
>> headaches! There are some "one of a kind" parts I would like to craft
>> for a 19th-century style banjo.
>>
>> Bill
>
> Perfect size. If you get them at a good price, do it.
>

"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9/30/2010 9:04 AM, Joe AutoDrill wrote:
>> "Bill"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>> By the way, I ran across a seemingly "great" book yesterday, "Modern
>>> Toolmaking Methods", by Franklin T. Jones, 1915. It's available for free
>>> download via Google (books). I think it transcends woodworking or
>>> metalworking. I'll leave it to someone who's actually read it to comment
>>> further if they want to. It left me with a "I wish I had found this
>>> sooner" sort of feeling.
>>
>> I'll check out the links posted in the follow-ups. Thank you.
>
>
> FYI, I noticed that the author also has published a number of related
> books.
>
> Having spent a bit more time with the book, I mentioned, I was curious
> whether it has been succeeded by a more modern one that someone might
> recommend?

After looking around a while, you will see that the most informative books
on machine work were written before the mid 1900's. When I was in tech
school for machine work, some of the books we used (in particular the math
book), were written in the early 1900's. The school had them reprinted. Even
the Machinery's Handbook has gotten less and less informative over the
years. My 21st edition is the one still in my toolbox, published in 1980.
Shows you where this trade has gone when a 30 year old engineering book is
better than a new one.

Bill,

Another great place to ask these questions would be the
rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup.

--


Regards,
Joe Agro, Jr.
(800) 871-5022
01.908.542.0244
Automatic / Pneumatic Drills: http://www.AutoDrill.com
Multiple Spindle Drills: http://www.Multi-Drill.com
Production Tapping: http://Production-Tapping-Equipment.com/
Flagship Site: http://www.Drill-N-Tap.com
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