Kitchen musings..... shelving vs. cabinets, notions of design....

On Feb 21, 8:32=A0am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:

> BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy spelling=
s.

No kidding. I couldn't get through all the cute spellings, the almost
urban street slang, and ghetto speak to finish the post. Not sure
what this guy wants, but it isn't interesting enough to read through
all that crap.

I got this far because I saw that you and Karl responded....

Robert

On Feb 23, 3:37=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:32:12 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
>
>
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> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Robert Macy wrote:
>
> >> On Feb 22, 8:52 am, Norminn <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> > clipped
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> >> > > The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite =
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> >> > > robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding =
a
> >> > > surface for appliances. =A0Probably find some aerospace material w=
orks,
> >> > > like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>
> >> > The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engine=
ered
> >> > to not last long enough to get dirty. =A0Last time I went shopping, =
I
> >> > tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with=
was
> >> > a picture frame made in Mexico.
>
> >> LOL! You are correct! I just bought a 900W microwave from Walmart
> >> [made in China] for around $46. I have not had to clean the buttons
> >> yet, because ...yes, the plastic coating has deteriorated and looks
> >> like I ran a soldering iron over them. At first, I thought this was a
> >> protective plastic sheet that I had neglected to remove and was
> >> supposed to be removed. Guess not.
>
> > =A0 What did you expect for $46?
>
> Truly amazing, isn't it? =A0These moron lefties want their $46 microwave
> but want it hand made in the USA by union thugs, making $50/hr.
>
> >Membrane switches won't take abuse, and
> >that includes constantly poking them with sharp fingernails or a
> >utensil.
>
> He's pretty dull, though.

Uh, say what?! How'd you get into a personal attack? Why do you
consider me "...pretty dull,...."? Boring, probably, Dense, no.

Especially, not so 'dull' as to expect the $46 microwave oven to last
very long. I simply was sharing my experience, reinforcing someone's
tongue in cheek comment about how it is not necessary to clean the
microwave surfaces because the microwave will fail first! The
poster's joke was like all good humour, based in truth.

Don't know why YOU assume a leftie, member of the Republican National
Committee, personally invited by Bob Dole to join the Republican Inner
Circle. More details witheld because this IS a public forum regarding
home repair and most importantly, this is NOT a political forum.

The Daring Dufas wrote:
>
> On 2/22/2013 10:11 AM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> > "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
> >> Strunk'n'White.....
> >> --
> >> EA
> >
> > The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
> > cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE
> > e.e.cummings. She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical
> > painting style before developing his own.
> > http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
> > http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
> >
> > The only exception she tolerated:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
> >
>
> I've always enjoyed Picasso's work but his later works look as though he
> discovered psychedelic mushrooms since LSD hadn't been synthesized in
> those days. ^_^


This is your brain.

This is your brain on crap.

Robert Macy wrote:
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> On Feb 22, 8:52 am, Norminn <[email protected]> wrote:
> > clipped
> >
> >
> >
> > > The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
> > > robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
> > > surface for appliances. Probably find some aerospace material works,
> > > like carbon composite with laminated granite?
> >
> > The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engineered
> > to not last long enough to get dirty. Last time I went shopping, I
> > tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with was
> > a picture frame made in Mexico.
>
> LOL! You are correct! I just bought a 900W microwave from Walmart
> [made in China] for around $46. I have not had to clean the buttons
> yet, because ...yes, the plastic coating has deteriorated and looks
> like I ran a soldering iron over them. At first, I thought this was a
> protective plastic sheet that I had neglected to remove and was
> supposed to be removed. Guess not.


What did you expect for $46? Membrane switches won't take abuse, and
that includes constantly poking them with sharp fingernails or a
utensil.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 11:40:11 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Feb 22, 1:40 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:15:02 -0600, The Daring Dufas
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>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >On 2/22/2013 9:52 AM, Norminn wrote:
>> >> clipped
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>> >>> The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
>> >>> robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
>> >>> surface for appliances.  Probably find some aerospace material works,
>> >>> like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>>
>> >> The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engineered
>> >> to not last long enough to get dirty.  Last time I went shopping, I
>> >> tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with was
>> >> a picture frame made in Mexico.
>>
>> >Take a look at the link. ^_^
>>
>> >http://www.americansworking.com/
>>
>> It's amazing.  Those who whine most about Chinese crap are the same
>> people who refuse to buy American when it is available.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Define "buy American".

Made in the USA with right-to-work labor. ;-)

>If I buy a product in which the $50 worth of parts were all made in
>the US and the final product was assembled in the US by a $1,000,000
>robot that was made in Japan, does that constitute "buying American"?

Is it better than the product made in China with slave labor? The
same people are whining about that (you), yet insist on buying it.

>This is an interesting site related to "Qualified 'Made in USA'
>claims":
>
>http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard
>
>Did I "buy American" if the label says:
>
>"60% U.S. content."
>"Made in USA of U.S. and imported parts."
>"Couch assembled in USA from Italian Leather and Mexican Frame."
>
>Buying American isn't as clear cut as it used to be, and certainly not
>as easy.

It should be easy? ...just because you're too lazy to do your
research? Nah, you'll just buy the crap and whine anyway.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 06:52:28 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Feb 21, 6:12 pm, [email protected] wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:08:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
>> ...snip...
>> >Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
>> >Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.
>>
>> Glass doors are harder to keep clean than stainless appliances, which
>> you seem to hate (below).
>>
>> >Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
>> >CLEAN LOOKING.
>>
>> Not all stainless is the same.  Our 'fridge is pretty easy to keep
>> clean.  Other appliances (contractor stuff hasn't been replaced yet),
>> not so much.
>> ... snip....
>
>After fighting with various commercially available compounds, my wife
>discovered that the best cleaner for stainless steel of almost all
>types was ...Dial sanitizing liquid hand soap. Rubbed on and wiped dry
>actually polished to a sparkling beautiful finish. But alas someone
>changed the product and it doesn't work well now.

My wife found some wipes that work really well on stainless. They're
expensive but I was amazed how well they polished the sink (I lived in
the house six months before she moved - she gets the honors now ;-).

>She gave up cleaning any glass surface. Windex streaked and streaked
>and streaked. However, I found Walmart brand of glass cleaner provides
>a great sprayer at $1.88 and the product cleans well and doesn't
>streak. Unless dries before removal. And of course, use cheap paper
>towels, else there are usually some type of lotion or such in them
>that streaks too. To check if a paper towel has 'additives' in it?
>Simply pour bleach on it. If it gets warm, or hot enough to burn you,
>it has additives that will streak when you clean.

I don't have a problem with Windex but it does have to be taken off
before it dries. A last swipe with a little Windex on a paper towel
takes the last bit of streaks off. Watch the paper towels, though.
Some of the pretty printing dissolves in Windex and makes a mess of
paint. DAMHIKT.

>After fighting SS cleaners, my wife has delegated me to be the
>custodian of all the glass and stainless steel cleaning in our home. I
>finally found the BEST cleaner ever! Clean well then ONLY clean with
>distilled water and cheap paper towels. Squeegee the bathroom mirrors
>in 20 seconds DONE! Inside/outside windows? Take about a minute each.
>I tell you distilled water is a MIRACLE product. Alas, it 'almost'
>works on SS kitchen apliances. Front surfaces stay cleaned for about a
>month. But, the fridge doors are a constant battle. We don't touch the
>SS with hands to prevent human oil blotting their surfaces, but even
>that doesn't work well. Have to clean that !@#@$#%^@$ !!!! fridge
>almost everyday. Shouldn't say clean, mean polish.

Interesting. I'll have to try it. It does make sense.

>The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
>robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
>surface for appliances. Probably find some aerospace material works,
>like carbon composite with laminated granite?

Like I said, our appliances don't show finger prints at all. There
seems to be an oleophobic coating on them (the non-contractor grade
ones).

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:35:21 -0600, Unquestionably Confused
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Don't sell her, let her take the lead and you just nod your head and
>follow along. If nothing else, you'll have the satisfaction of saying
>"I tried to tell you..." as she blames you for the problems with her new
>kitchen.<g>
>

Exactly. Then you simply ask, "Who was it who wanted to design a
kitchen around a cannister set?"
BTW, I gave my wife an expensive cannister set as a gift. Ceramic.
She oohed and aahed, displayed them empty on the counter for maybe 2
months, then stored them in the basement.
She's a professional chef.
BTW, about 12 years later we started to give them to a daughter but
found the "brass" hardware had corroded. Dumped them at Goodwill.
The hardware will collect grease even if it doesn't corrode.
As somebody else said, everything behind doors and flat surfaces makes
for much easy kitchen cleaning.

The Daring Dufas wrote:
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> On 2/22/2013 9:21 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > The Daring Dufas wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Do you vist: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
> >>
> >> I haven't been to that site before but there are all kinds of "The
> >> People of Walmart" videos out there even some songs. ^_^
> >
> >
> > There are probably a thousand pictures of the strange being that
> > inhabit the dark isles of WalMart stores on that site. Don't blame me
> > if you spend a whole day asking yourself, WTH?
> >
> >
> > Make sure you're sitting down when you visit their DIY repair site:
> >
> > http://whitetrashrepairs.com/
> >
>
> The problem is, I've seen and had to deal with those kind of things for
> real. ^_^


Check it out. You haven't seen every possible stupid repair, YET!
;-) You'll be glad you didn't have to clean up most of them.

On 2/21/2013 7:10 AM, Existential Angst wrote:

> With a hypocrisy worthy of the basest politician, I'm going thru the HD
> kitchen design route (or at least the motions), mostly to get familiar with
> the "process" of "new kitchening", not necessarily to actually let them do
> it. My fillings are already hurting....

Snicker... When I redid the kitchen in our 1974 home - took it down to
bare floors and stud walls - we stopped at Big Orange to get some ideas
(perchance to buy) on cabinetry and what was available, price, etc.

We were politely informed by the kitchen lady (who apparently had been
transferred over to that department from the now-closed for the season
garden shop) that before they could take an order, THEIR "specialist"
would have to come out and measure the kitchen to "insure you have the
proper measurements and are ordering the right cabinets"<g>

I still wanted to see what the brands out there had to offer so I played
along since we were already in the store. Sitting down with her and her
catalogs and magic computer (that's how they make them experts, you know
- a computer program that will amaze/amuse even a kindergartner)it
quickly became apparent from her "deer in the headlights" look every
time I asked a question that she had, indeed, come in from the garden
center where she was more comfortable with plants since her IQ matched
theirs.

After about the fifth, "Er, ah..." we got up and left basically telling
her there was no way in hell we had any confidence in their product
knowledge and would be buying elsewhere... and did.


> The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
> Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... LOL
> Thoughts, idears, experiences?



This is the easy question, EZ. Haven't you seen that t-shirt? "If
Momma Ain't Happy, Ain't Nobody Happy!"

Don't sell her, let her take the lead and you just nod your head and
follow along. If nothing else, you'll have the satisfaction of saying
"I tried to tell you..." as she blames you for the problems with her new
kitchen.<g>

"Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>( RCM-ers.... skip down to the alum. plate section)
> (RW peeple -- stop whining..... yeah, I know, it's not wood, it's
> anti-wood, deal with it)
>
> Awl --
>
> Since ahm fixin up m'shop, The Wife is REALLY bitching about her
> kitchen.... tit for tat, I spose.... no pun intended.... but an
> excellent pun, eh?? LOL
>
> With a hypocrisy worthy of the basest politician, I'm going thru the HD
> kitchen design route (or at least the motions), mostly to get familiar
> with the "process" of "new kitchening", not necessarily to actually let
> them do it. My fillings are already hurting....
>
> Inyway, sumpn is not right in KitchenDee-zineLand...... 'sall beautiful,
> 'sall archy-tecky, but sumpn is just not right.
>
> Stunning as all this HGTV stuff is (more like culinary dick-waving), I'll
> bet that only 1 out of a 100 of these McMansion kitchens are actually used
> to do any real cooking. I'm betting that with alladat 1.25" granite all
> over the place, the shitty li'l brats run in and toaster-up their
> PopTarts, and everyone else is re-microwaving yesterday's KFC and
> pizza.....
>
> Oh, and old news: alladisshit is SUPER expensive..... *gratuitously*
> expensive (and complicated), in my deezine opinion.
>
> This notion solidified when I happened on, iirc, a NYTimes-ish profile of
> a big-dick chef and his SoHo-ish home/loft kitchen, where I was struck by
> just how non-archy-tecky it was, yet a thoroughly functional and very
> funky-attractive kitchen.... a REAL kitchen??
> Nothing matched in it, none of this bullshit HGTV ""design"", altho he
> was blessed with very high ceilings (*at least* 12 ft, it seemed), and a
> goodly large space.
>
> Dats when my inkling that HGTV was 99% fullashit changed to 100%
> fullashit. A conjob, actually, like pretty much everything else on TV.
>
> The Q at hand is how to juggle wall space, ito cabinetry vs. open
> shelving.
> Attractive as all these kitch cabinets are, I just never found them to be
> all that practical, except for mebbe dust protection.
>
> Recently I discovered these
> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=13572526&RN=204 (or
> google Oggi, flip-lid canisters), which are really very attractive, and
> *visually useful* ito of retrieving foods, assessing quantities, etc.
> These further make the case for more open shelving In addition, many
> kitchen appliances are attractive in their own right, as can be the
> dinnerware itself, utensils, etc. Ceiling pot racks, imo, are Da Bomb.
>
> So the Q is, How to apportion trad'l cabinetry, with open shelving?
>
> I am in a semi-unique position in that I have a design for, and have
> actually built, shelving out of 1/4" alum plate, super-elegant,
> minimalist, functional, versatile, and strong. The soon-to-arrive Haas
> GR510 gantry mill will make this plate work much more do-able, as well.
> This style shelving (wall mounted or freestanding) also lends itself to
> being very elegantly enclosed, with hingeless doors that pivot on pins.
> These g-d European hinges drive me crazy.... just how complicated can
> shit get????
>
> So I can actually make a "themed" kitchen of open/enclosed storage, in a
> variety of textures, from anodized to brushed to polished (SS-like) alum..
>
> Has anyone grappled with this aspect of design, closed vs. open storage?
> Any web sites that deal with this, and the notion of "strategy"?
>
> The problem with (traditional) kitchen design is that there are no
> do-overs -- you are essentially stuck with the whole shebang.
> One thing I learnt with all this granite bullshit is that what looks good
> in a showroom or sample book may not fare so well over time, when yer eyes
> are just SATURATED with these visually complex granite patterns, which
> actually become otically numbing after a while, and do a good job of
> HIDING dirt, spills, grease, etc.
>
> I learned this by raiding the dumpster of my local granite guy, who
> allowed me to take substantial pieces of granite, silestone, marble, which
> I spread throughout the existing kitchen as trial countertops. We
> realized that you had to be *really* careful in your choices, and that
> most choices would be regretted. We realized that if going the granite et
> al route, a single color/pattern would become visually oppressive.
>
> Thusly, I have also come up with a design of anodized alum plate
> countertops, covered by simple 1/4" beveled glass. Or, for that matter,
> butcherblock-type motif, covered by 1/4" glass. If the glass ever breaks,
> cracks, no biggie, go to the glass store. Really a lot of design potential
> there. And economy.
> Fuck Granite.
>
> Lastly, ito enclosures (cabinets), there is the notion of see-through or
> translucence of the doors. The leaded-glass effect is very nice, and can
> also be facilitated in a gantry mill, in wood or in 1/4" alum plate.
>
> The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
> Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... LOL
> Thoughts, idears, experiences?

Some people are serious about their kitchens, including renters:
http://gothamist.com/2010/02/24/ikea_couple.php

Not great pubicity for Ikea.... LOL
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EA





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> EA
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Feb 21, 8:32 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:

> BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy
> spellings.

No kidding. I couldn't get through all the cute spellings, the almost
urban street slang, and ghetto speak to finish the post. Not sure
what this guy wants, but it isn't interesting enough to read through
all that crap.
=================================================

Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer too
stupid to figger out "what I want", and yet somehow you know it's not
inneresting enough to read.....
Typical non-sequitur of the bitchily ignerint....

Oh, yeah, of course.... here ya go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
Study hard.
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EA



I got this far because I saw that you and Karl responded....

Robert

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
>>
>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>
> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say based on
> the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is... you.
>
>> and yet somehow you know it's
>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>
> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not interesting
> enough to read through.

You too?? Jeez......
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EA


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>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>
>

On 02/21/2013 06:29 PM, Vic Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:35:21 -0600, Unquestionably Confused
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Don't sell her, let her take the lead and you just nod your head and
>> follow along. If nothing else, you'll have the satisfaction of saying
>> "I tried to tell you..." as she blames you for the problems with her new
>> kitchen.<g>
>>
>
> Exactly. Then you simply ask, "Who was it who wanted to design a
> kitchen around a cannister set?"
> BTW, I gave my wife an expensive cannister set as a gift. Ceramic.
> She oohed and aahed, displayed them empty on the counter for maybe 2
> months, then stored them in the basement.
> She's a professional chef.
> BTW, about 12 years later we started to give them to a daughter but
> found the "brass" hardware had corroded. Dumped them at Goodwill.
> The hardware will collect grease even if it doesn't corrode.
> As somebody else said, everything behind doors and flat surfaces makes
> for much easy kitchen cleaning.
>
Same thing goes for the shop. I used to have tools and such hanging on
pegboard. Now, I hung the cheapest HD cabinets over a 16' workbench/RAS
saw and have much more storage with much less dust.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

"ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Existential Angst <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>>
>>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say
>>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is...
>>> you.
>>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>>
>>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not
>>> interesting enough to read through.
>>
>> You too?? Jeez......
>>
>
> WTF? Do you want people to respond or waste time trying to deciper what
> the fuck you're asking?
> Post your ? *clearly* without the BS and attitude.
> Pretty simple concept to me.
>

Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better ventilation??
If you think any of that needed deciphering, might I suggest
http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/
They're all over the country. There's also evening adult ed in most
community (2-yr, associates degree) colleges -- you know,
subject-object-predicate......

See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
contextualize.
True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if you will,
and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn loop, into such a
fukn tizzy.

So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:

I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the article on
the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is necessarily a
BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for obvious
commercial reasons.

I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have your
reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate the general
design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify a few things, such
as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion of various surfaces, the
grease issue of shelving, etc.

To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
yourselves, mebbe??

OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH

Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4 year
school, mebbe not in adult ed.
OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
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"Norminn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 2/22/2013 4:40 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Existential Angst <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>>>>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>>>>
>>>>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say
>>>>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is...
>>>>> you.
>>>>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>>>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not
>>>>> interesting enough to read through.
>>>>
>>>> You too?? Jeez......
>>>>
>>>
>>> WTF? Do you want people to respond or waste time trying to deciper what
>>> the fuck you're asking?
>>> Post your ? *clearly* without the BS and attitude.
>>> Pretty simple concept to me.
>>>
>>
>> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
>> ventilation??
>> If you think any of that needed deciphering, might I suggest
>> http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/
>> They're all over the country. There's also evening adult ed in most
>> community (2-yr, associates degree) colleges -- you know,
>> subject-object-predicate......
>>
>> See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
>> contextualize.
>> True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if you
>> will,
>> and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn loop, into such
>> a
>> fukn tizzy.
>>
>> So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:
>>
>> I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
>> nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
>> of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the article
>> on
>> the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
>> Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
>> mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is necessarily a
>> BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
>> And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for obvious
>> commercial reasons.
>>
>> I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have your
>> reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate the general
>> design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify a few things,
>> such
>> as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion of various surfaces,
>> the
>> grease issue of shelving, etc.
>>
>> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
>> yourselves, mebbe??
>>
>> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>
>> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
>> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
>> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4 year
>> school, mebbe not in adult ed.
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>
>
> LOL............didn't bother me nearly as much as hearing McCain/Graham
> blathering on in their latest outrage of political posturing. McCain is
> an angry old fart who cares more about getting re-elected than about
> keeping the military intact during a time of fucking war. How about 'dem
> Chineeze?
>
> And, yes, fuck granite :o)

FINALLY!!!!
Someone who gets it, has a sense of humuh.
OH!!!

Actually, what the petty li'l nannies (ninnies??) on RW don't get is the
phonetic parody (poor as it might be) of the INCREDIBLE ilitiricy 'cross all
of fuknMerka.

POP QUIZ, boyzngerlz:
1. Just WHO introduced MERKA into the lexicon??? HINT #1, boyzngerlz (and
that asshole Nailshooter): He was a DUI RePube who liked to blow up frogs
with M80s.... Hint #2: the black guy kicked his ass....
2.. WHO (all 550 of them) has "legitimized" '"nookyooler"???).
3. How many of the assholes on RW say "nookyooler"???
4. But when Angst SPELLS nookyooler, he's an asshole, right?? Whazzup wit
DAT???

Here's another li'l hint:
If y'all are annoyed by """"my style"""", OK, cuz, well, sheeit, just ax
the Wife about annoyed.... lol
But, if anyone REALLY had trouble reading or """"deciphering"""" the op,
man, you REALLY need to contact Sylvan, cuz yer reading level is likely
sub-4th grade, and you cain't handle the NYTimes -- some the assholes here
proly even read that NYTimes ditty on that chef's kitchen, and STILL don't
get it....

See, to boost reading comprehension, a woodworker has to (in addition to
wearing a good brain-approved respirator) read more than the assembly
instruction from the latest build-it-yerself project from Practical
Woodworker.

And if assholes here REALLY think Moi is ilitirit..... hooboy, <swoosh> on
them....

OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH........ He's still doin it.... He
said "ilitirit".......

I tell you, what scares me more than anything is being judged by a jury of
12..... and these assholes on RW illustrate this perfectly. Peers my
fuknass.....
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EA

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
>>
>> See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
>> contextualize.
>> True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if
>> you will, and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn
>> loop, into such a fukn tizzy.
>
> It really didn't. No tizzy, no loop. Just didn't want to bother with it
> given all the *abstractions*. It was just a case of moving on to the next
> post.
>
>>
>> So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:
>>
>> I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
>> nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
>> of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the
>> article on the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
>> Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
>> mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is
>> necessarily a BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
>> And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for
>> obvious commercial reasons.
>>
>> I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have
>> your reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate
>> the general design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify
>> a few things, such as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion
>> of various surfaces, the grease issue of shelving, etc.
>>
>
> Well then - it worked for you. Some here didn't mind your posting style
> and responded, which resulted in the dialog expanding, and you benefited
> in that. Others didn't. No need to go on about it as if you are
> personally insulted that they didn't.

Hey, ahm just tryna help people, and promote world peace.
After all, I DID provide a bevy of useful, helpful links, right?
Altho admittedly, Sylvan is a li'l 'spensive.......

OH, OH, OH, OH, there he goes again.....
--
EA

>
> --
>
> -Mike-
> [email protected]
>

"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Existential Angst wrote:
>> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
>> yourselves, mebbe??
>>
>> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>
>> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
>> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
>> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4
>> year school, mebbe not in adult ed.
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>
> How arrogant.
>
> About the only person here who needs a treatise on the elements of style
> is you.

Hmmmm...... might I be even more arrogant and correck your syntax?
Elements of Style WAS the treatise -- albeit a short, succinct one.

What you SHOULD have said -- and I'm sure you meant to -- was:
"About the only person here who needs a treatise on style......."

> Oh, wait...are your cutesy spellings an attempt at a distinctive writing
> style? An attempt to separate yourself from the herd? To lift yourself
> from the depths of mediocrity? Doesn't work.

Dood...... it's fukn USENET..... give it a break, already.
Dayum.... and I thought you were one of the normal ones.....

And where's the gratitude??
Moi had to PAY for that goddamm StrunknWhite.... and ahm giving it away for
free....

Ackshooly, I never really agreed with ole Strunk.... yeah, shit has to be
standardized, but goddamm, there's standardization and there's stifling.
Fuck granite, and fuck stifling.

ANOTHER POP QUIZ, boyzngerlz.....

WHO was the White in Strunk'n'White??

No matter, y'all are going to cheat anyway, and look it up.....
He was EB White, who wrote Charlotte's Web, Stuart Little, and a bunch of
other children's classics, and a longtime contributor/editor in The
N'Yawker. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._B._White
Proly one of THE most :"decorated" writers. No Nobel Prize, but dat dudn't
mean shit anyway.... they wasted one on Hemmingway..... and even worser,
one on Herman Hesse.... GOODGAWD!!!!!!!!!!

But y'all litirits KNEW that, right??
Yeah, riiiiight.....

Here's what ahm thinkin:

All those who had so much trouble deciphering the op, get copies of Stuart
Little and Charlotte's Web, and work on yer comprehension...... EB White
knew what he was doing, and y'all's reading comprehension should jump by at
least two grades when you finish them. Proly you can find Cliff's Notes on
them, as well, iffin you need help.

And WHERE did the adventures of Stuart Little take place?? Why, in the
Central Park Pond, in.... N'Yawk....

OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... He did it AGAIN!!!! He said "N'Yawk" instead of
New York........ TWICE!!!
OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
--
EA


>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
> Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
> Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net
>
>

"Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
>> ventilation??
>
> Your affected style might be cute if you had any real talent.
>
>
>

Holy shit..... ANOTHER one who I thought was normal, could read between the
lines.....
Ahma haveta make a LIST now.....

I didn't know reading comprehension was such an issue.
Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
Strunk'n'White.....
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EA

"Norminn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/22/2013 10:23 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>> "Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
>>>> ventilation??
>>>
>>> Your affected style might be cute if you had any real talent.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Holy shit..... ANOTHER one who I thought was normal, could read between
>> the
>> lines.....
>> Ahma haveta make a LIST now.....
>>
>> I didn't know reading comprehension was such an issue.
>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>> Strunk'n'White.....
>>
>
> What about Fucken Wagnalls? I think we'd better quit before the the
> entire usenit goes postle!!

LOL
I've lerntid my lesson..... I"ve got Strunk'n'White out, as I type.......
LOL
FunkyWagnall was far too long, tho. At least S&W kept alladatshit brief.

There is a breed -- many of them on RW, apparently -- that deludes
themselves with the notion that because they express themselves with
syntactical and grammatical correckness, that they know how to think.
There is, in fact, a likely inverse relationship between the two.
--
EA


>

"Jim Wilkins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>> Strunk'n'White.....
>> --
>> EA
>
> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE e.e.cummings.
> She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical painting style
> before developing his own.
> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>

You are absolutely correck. Most people don't know just HOW good Picasso
was, from a traditional pov.... stunning.

> The only exception she tolerated:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>
>
>

But, correct as you are in the above, you DO see the obvious flaw in your
implied admonition, right? Which was evident in your prior use of the word
"talent"
Unless you can identify exactly WHO it is I'm trying to imitate, none of
this applies!

Dood, ahm just havin fun.... it's USENET, fergodsakes....
That a few assholes here decided to jump on some bullshit etiquette
bandwagon, and ig the real design issues being raised, speaks volumes. And
I'm certainly surprised by *your* vault onto this bullshit bandwagon..

Again, if anyone really had difficulty with the op, they better get some
tutoring, bec if my li'l syntactical/grammatical dalliances have them this
confused and bent out of shape, they are *really* insecure in the basics..
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EA

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Feb 21, 8:32 am, "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote:

> BTW & FWIW, your posts would be more readable without the folksy
> spellings.

No kidding. I couldn't get through all the cute spellings, the almost
urban street slang, and ghetto speak to finish the post. Not sure
what this guy wants, but it isn't interesting enough to read through
all that crap.

I got this far because I saw that you and Karl responded....

Robert

=============================================================

BRAIN EXERCISES

If you can read this OUT LOUD, you have a strong mind. And better than that:
Alzheimer's is a long, long, way down the road before it ever gets anywhere
near you.





If you can read the following paragraph, forward it to your friends and the
person who sent it to you with 'Yes' in the subject line. Only very good
minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!

7H15 M3554G3
53RV35 7O PR0V3
H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
D0 4M4Z1NG 7H1NG5!
1MPR3551V3 7H1NG5!
1N 7H3 B3G1NN1NG
17 WA5 H4RD BU7
N0W, 0N 7H15 LIN3
Y0UR M1ND 1S
R34D1NG 17
4U70M471C4LLY
W17H 0U7 3V3N
7H1NK1NG 4B0U7 17,
B3 PROUD! 0NLY
C3R741N P30PL3 C4N
R3AD 7H15.
PL3453 F0RW4RD 1F
U C4N R34D 7H15.




If you can read this, you are one of the 55 people out of 100 who can.





I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. The
phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde
Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the
olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit
pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a
pboerlm. This is bcuseaethe huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef,
but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was
ipmorantt! If you can raed this forwrad it

=====================================================

Since fuknNailShooter cain't read *my* simple shit, Alzheimers is proly
right around the corner for dat asshole.

--

EA

"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Existential Angst wrote:
>
>> If you can read the following paragraph, forward it to your friends
>> and the person who sent it to you with 'Yes' in the subject line.
>> Only very good minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!
>>
>> 7H15 M3554G3
>> 53RV35 7O PR0V3
>> H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
>> D0 4M4Z1NG 7H1NG5!
>> 1MPR3551V3 7H1NG5!
>> 1N 7H3 B3G1NN1NG
>> 17 WA5 H4RD BU7
>> N0W, 0N 7H15 LIN3
>> Y0UR M1ND 1S
>> R34D1NG 17
>> 4U70M471C4LLY
>> W17H 0U7 3V3N
>> 7H1NK1NG 4B0U7 17,
>> B3 PROUD! 0NLY
>> C3R741N P30PL3 C4N
>> R3AD 7H15.
>> PL3453 F0RW4RD 1F
>> U C4N R34D 7H15.
>
> It isn't all that hard to read but why bother? What's the point when one
> can write it properly? And that is the whole point of those who disliked
> your original post...you wanted feedback from readers so why not just post
> your question/problem succinctly using reasonable English?

It was quite reasonable. What in particular is your grouse?

Heh, yer gonna miss my unreasonable Englich, when they have you speaking
Reasonable Spanich....
Been in HD lately?? goodgawd....

>
> IOW, it isn't a problem of being unable to read your "simple shit", it's
> just a matter of "why bother".

Which is usually the bleat of the simple mind, esp. overly-entitled *gangs*
of simple minds.

Exactly what was so troublesome about the op? What part of "gratuitous
complexity" don't y'all understand?
--
EA


>
> --
>
> dadiOH
> ____________________________
>
> Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race?
> Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change?
> Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net
>
>

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/22/13 3:40 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Existential Angst <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>>>>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>>>>
>>>>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say
>>>>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is...
>>>>> you.
>>>>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>>>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not
>>>>> interesting enough to read through.
>>>>
>>>> You too?? Jeez......
>>>>
>>>
>>> WTF? Do you want people to respond or waste time trying to deciper what
>>> the fuck you're asking?
>>> Post your ? *clearly* without the BS and attitude.
>>> Pretty simple concept to me.
>>>
>>
>> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
>> ventilation??
>> If you think any of that needed deciphering, might I suggest
>> http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/
>> They're all over the country. There's also evening adult ed in most
>> community (2-yr, associates degree) colleges -- you know,
>> subject-object-predicate......
>>
>> See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
>> contextualize.
>> True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if you
>> will,
>> and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn loop, into such
>> a
>> fukn tizzy.
>>
>> So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:
>>
>> I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
>> nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
>> of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the article
>> on
>> the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
>> Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
>> mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is necessarily a
>> BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
>> And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for obvious
>> commercial reasons.
>>
>> I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have your
>> reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate the general
>> design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify a few things,
>> such
>> as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion of various surfaces,
>> the
>> grease issue of shelving, etc.
>>
>> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
>> yourselves, mebbe??
>>
>> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>
>> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
>> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
>> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4 year
>> school, mebbe not in adult ed.
>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>
>
> In every internet forum in which I've ever taken part, there's always
> one guy who thinks he's tool cool for the room and uses the same
> self-made slang and goofy-ass made-up words and spelling like he's just
> so much more evolved than the rest of the obtuse dolts in the group.
>
> Inevitably, in every occurrence which I've witnessed or participated,
> the majority of the group calls the guy out. Yet the guy continues to
> defend his juvenile, deluded behavior, convinced that it's everyone else
> who just don't "get it." All this does, of course, in every instance, is
> help convince the rest of the group of what a complete douche-nozzle he
> is.

<yawn>

And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
--
EA

>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>

"Norminn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/22/2013 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 2/22/13 3:40 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> Existential Angst <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>>>>>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say
>>>>>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is...
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>>>>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not
>>>>>> interesting enough to read through.
>>>>>
>>>>> You too?? Jeez......
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WTF? Do you want people to respond or waste time trying to deciper what
>>>> the fuck you're asking?
>>>> Post your ? *clearly* without the BS and attitude.
>>>> Pretty simple concept to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
>>> ventilation??
>>> If you think any of that needed deciphering, might I suggest
>>> http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/
>>> They're all over the country. There's also evening adult ed in most
>>> community (2-yr, associates degree) colleges -- you know,
>>> subject-object-predicate......
>>>
>>> See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
>>> contextualize.
>>> True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if you
>>> will,
>>> and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn loop, into
>>> such a
>>> fukn tizzy.
>>>
>>> So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:
>>>
>>> I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
>>> nailshooter asshole.... here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
>>> of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the
>>> article on
>>> the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
>>> Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
>>> mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is necessarily
>>> a
>>> BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
>>> And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for
>>> obvious
>>> commercial reasons.
>>>
>>> I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have your
>>> reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate the
>>> general
>>> design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify a few
>>> things, such
>>> as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion of various surfaces,
>>> the
>>> grease issue of shelving, etc.
>>>
>>> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
>>> yourselves, mebbe??
>>>
>>> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
>>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
>>> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
>>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>>
>>> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
>>> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
>>>
>>> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4
>>> year
>>> school, mebbe not in adult ed.
>>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
>>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>>
>>
>> In every internet forum in which I've ever taken part, there's always
>> one guy who thinks he's tool cool for the room and uses the same
>> self-made slang and goofy-ass made-up words and spelling like he's just
>> so much more evolved than the rest of the obtuse dolts in the group.
>
> So serious! Isn't "just because" an adequate reason once in a while?

Serius indeed.
Beneath all the level-headed PC net-nanny bullshit is just a bullying
dick-waving mentality.
Sumpn is a li'l different, and they jump all over it.

And then, when they turn out to be flat out wrong, they don't have the
character or backbone to gracefully back down.
And in Mike's case, they start arm-chair psycho-anal-yzing and clairvoyantly
speculating.
Mike's bullshit actually sounded good there for a minute... but then so did
Cold Fusion.

Mostly, I'm betting, all these fukn RW assholes want an HGTV kitchen, can't
afford it, and won't admit it.
I cain't really afford it either (bustid my wad on dat Haas GR510), so I'm
tryna figger out a way around the HGTV bullshit, and, with some luck, a
better way. Some here were very helpful. But these assholes....
goodgawd....

Note how no one has axed: Just HOW do you make combined shelving/cabinets
out of 1/4" alum plate??
Fuuuuuck, if someone asserted that to me, that would be the FIRST thing on
my li'l mind.
But these woodwerked fagits would rather bash someone than learn anything
outside of their tight-assed myopic focus.

Oh well, iffin inyone is innerested, just holler.... LOL
--
EA

.
>>
>> Inevitably, in every occurrence which I've witnessed or participated,
>> the majority of the group calls the guy out. Yet the guy continues to
>> defend his juvenile, deluded behavior, convinced that it's everyone else
>> who just don't "get it." All this does, of course, in every instance, is
>> help convince the rest of the group of what a complete douche-nozzle he
>> is.
>>
>>
>

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/22/13 12:55 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
>> "-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/22/13 3:40 AM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>>> "ChairMan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> Existential Angst <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> Existential Angst wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lessee..... by your own admission, you didn't get thru it all, yer
>>>>>>>> too stupid to figger out "what I want",
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read what he said - he was not interested in what you had to say
>>>>>>> based on the way you post. The one showing his stupid here is...
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>> and yet somehow you know it's
>>>>>>>> not inneresting enough to read.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Easy conclusion to arrive at. Your manner of writing is not
>>>>>>> interesting enough to read through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You too?? Jeez......
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF? Do you want people to respond or waste time trying to deciper
>>>>> what
>>>>> the fuck you're asking?
>>>>> Post your ? *clearly* without the BS and attitude.
>>>>> Pretty simple concept to me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Methinks y'all need better respirators or sumpn, mebbe better
>>>> ventilation??
>>>> If you think any of that needed deciphering, might I suggest
>>>> http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/
>>>> They're all over the country. There's also evening adult ed in most
>>>> community (2-yr, associates degree) colleges -- you know,
>>>> subject-object-predicate......
>>>>
>>>> See, part of the problem is y'all's inability to *abstract* and
>>>> contextualize.
>>>> True, the Q was preceded by a bit of a pre-amble, some context, if you
>>>> will,
>>>> and I'm sorry that preamble threw you all for such a fukn loop, into
>>>> such
>>>> a
>>>> fukn tizzy.
>>>>
>>>> So let me rephrase for the sawdust-addled and slow-witted:
>>>>
>>>> I'm questioning the whole zeitgeist (no, not ghetto slang, for the
>>>> nailshooter asshole.... here:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist )
>>>> of the HGTV notion of kitchen design, vividly illustrated by the
>>>> article
>>>> on
>>>> the home kitchen of the prof'l chef I mentioned.
>>>> Obviously, most of you complaining assholes have bought into the HGTV
>>>> mindfuck..... and I'm not saying that the HGTV mindfuck is necessarily
>>>> a
>>>> BAD or incorrect mindfuck, just querying alternatives.
>>>> And I'm speculating that alternatives are not being provided, for
>>>> obvious
>>>> commercial reasons.
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate most of the other responses (obviously they don't have
>>>> your
>>>> reading comprehension problems, and/or are able to appreciate the
>>>> general
>>>> design issue), and some of those responses helped clarify a few things,
>>>> such
>>>> as the wicking problem with glass, the discussion of various surfaces,
>>>> the
>>>> grease issue of shelving, etc.
>>>>
>>>> To the other slow-wits, mebbe y'all should find sumpn to punctuate....
>>>> yourselves, mebbe??
>>>>
>>>> OH, OH..... he said "mebbe"..... TWICE!!!!
>>>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "sumpn".....
>>>> OH, OH, OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "y'all".....
>>>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>>>
>>>> Oh, don't say I never gave you anything:
>>>> http://faculty.washington.edu/heagerty/Courses/b572/public/StrunkWhite.pdf
>>>> Strunk & White, Elements of Style -- guar-own-teed curriculum in a 4
>>>> year
>>>> school, mebbe not in adult ed.
>>>> OH, OH, OH, OH..... he said "guar-own-teed"......
>>>> OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH OH, OH, OH, OH
>>>>
>>>
>>> In every internet forum in which I've ever taken part, there's always
>>> one guy who thinks he's tool cool for the room and uses the same
>>> self-made slang and goofy-ass made-up words and spelling like he's just
>>> so much more evolved than the rest of the obtuse dolts in the group.
>>>
>>> Inevitably, in every occurrence which I've witnessed or participated,
>>> the majority of the group calls the guy out. Yet the guy continues to
>>> defend his juvenile, deluded behavior, convinced that it's everyone else
>>> who just don't "get it." All this does, of course, in every instance, is
>>> help convince the rest of the group of what a complete douche-nozzle he
>>> is.
>>
>> <yawn>
>>
>> And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
>> WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
>>
>
> You're not even in the top 100 assholes I've had the pleasure of
> debasing on the internet.

So debasing is yer game, eh? Pleasurable, eh?
That just about sez it all. Let an asshole talk long enough, and eventually
they reveal their true motivations.

You proly cook on a hot plate anyway, so most of this is over your head.


> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
> wrong. Maybe it's you.

It's not everyone. It's a li'l tight-assed cadre whose panties got wound up
so tight they look like a G-string.

>
> I bet I can cut-n-paste your sophomoric reply to this from the other
> thousand or so I've read coming from the same type of boring trolls who
> get their jollies from very poorly attempting to impersonate a witty,
> intelligent human being.

Wrong again. I axed a Q, queried some issues. No jollies in that.
Some of you fagits didn't like the syntax.
And that's where it started. Moi essentially had nothing to do with this.
The fact that you are now projecting "jollies" once again reveals where you
are coming from.

I think you fagits were breastfed until you were 15 or 16 -- there's no
other way to really explain all this.
--
EA



>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/22/13 2:24 PM, Existential Angst wrote:
>>>> And there's always a clairvoyant asshole in every group, speculating
>>>> WAAAAAAY beyond dey grade level.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You're not even in the top 100 assholes I've had the pleasure of
>>> debasing on the internet.
>>
>> So debasing is yer game, eh? Pleasurable, eh?
>
> No, just debasing assholes.
> You've been writing your own goofy language so long, you can't comprehend
> the one everyone else is writing.

Clearly you don't understand phonetics, or dialects -- or much else.
.

>
>
>>> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
>>> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
>>> wrong. Maybe it's you.
>>
>> It's not everyone. It's a li'l tight-assed cadre whose panties got wound
>> up
>> so tight they look like a G-string.
>>
>>>
>>> I bet I can cut-n-paste your sophomoric reply to this from the other
>>> thousand or so I've read coming from the same type of boring trolls who
>>> get their jollies from very poorly attempting to impersonate a witty,
>>> intelligent human being.
>>
>> Wrong again. I axed a Q, queried some issues. No jollies in that.
>> Some of you fagits didn't like the syntax.
>> And that's where it started. Moi essentially had nothing to do with
>> this.
>> The fact that you are now projecting "jollies" once again reveals where
>> you
>> are coming from.
>>
>> I think you fagits were breastfed until you were 15 or 16 -- there's no
>> other way to really explain all this.
>>
>
> Predictable, boring, bye.

Bye-bye.... don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out....

BUT..... O Debaser/Slayer of Trolls.... before you leave.... you
contributed..... just WHAT..... to the original thread?
Oh.... that's right.... nothing..... not a fukn thing on the subject of
kitchen design....
Predictable.
--
EA


>
>
> --
>
> -MIKE-
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
> --
> http://mikedrums.com
> [email protected]
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
>

"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>>> Strunk'n'White.....
>>> --
>>> EA
>>
>> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
>> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE
>> e.e.cummings. She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical
>> painting style before developing his own.
>> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
>> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>>
>> The only exception she tolerated:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>
> Yep. And many early music groups had advanced degrees in music (The
> Limelighters, etc.).

Many? Please.....
You'd be hardpressed to find rock'n'rollers with ANY degrees in ANYthing,
much less in music per se. I'll bet that 50% of rock'n'rollers didn't
graduate HS. An ADVANCED degree?? ie, MS, PhD?? Are you KIDDING????

If I'm wrong, I"d enjoy hearing your cites.
And the irony to that is we then have to listen to GED bullshit philosophies
on love and life, recorded for all of eternity, for the rest of our
miserable lives.

Speaking of which, Jim Morrison (Doors) *did* finagle a degree in
theatre/fine arts, and was widely read in philosophy.
YET, the sum total of the cultural impact of the Doors was this:
Every post-pubescent female in the USA, Japan, and Germany were dreaming
of, vying to fellate Jim Morrison.
If you don't believe me, conduct your own poll. Get your wife drunk, and
ask her.... Mine still denies it, but I know she's lyin.... lol
Well, mebbe not.... but Engelbert Humperdink, f'sure f'sure.... lol
Heh, and proly 25% of the male population dreamed of fellating Morrison, as
well.... lol

A few instrumentalists studied formally, for a while, but few actually
graduated, as the demands of performing (at least for the really talented)
prevailed. Examples are Al Hirt (Green Hornet theme, one of THE virtuoso
displays in trumpeting), Jacques Loussier (Play Bach, stunning rendition of
Vivaldi's Four Seasons).

But formal study was rare in rock'n'roll. I mean, really, yer playin
I-IV-V, I-IV-VI all fukn day long..... what's to study???? Alvin Lee (Ten
Years After) I don't think ever even changed key.

Billy Joel was classically trained in piano, as was Elton John, but neither,
to my knowledge, had music degrees.
Jeff Goldblum, in his clown role replacement of Vincent D'Onofrio in
LawnOrder, is apparently quite the accomplished jazz pianist, but not
formally trained.

That Jacques Loussier, Al Hirt et al did not gradurate is of course moot.
My point being, mostly, that you and Jim Wilkins may have a pernt, but you
shouldn't OVERstate your case..

And Al Hirt could blow that pompous academic wannabe Wynton Marsalis clear
out of Lincoln Center, into New Jersey.....

Billy Joel, btw, has a brilliant command of the "rock'n'roll" lexicon. In a
recent and lengthy interview on NPR/WNYC, at a piano, he could bang out, at
will, it seemed, the full arrangement of a wide variety of tunes, seemingly
impromptu.

I'm sure some in the Moody Blues were classically trained, but proly didn't
obtain degrees.

And Louis Armstrong could barely read music. Go figger.

Ultimately, talent is talent. Can trad'l/formal education tweak it? Sure.
But apparently, it's not necessary. Esp. if the bulk of your repertoire is
I-IV-V chords, fergodsakes....

But back to Jim Wilkins:
I didn't know I wrote like e.e. cummings..... Thank you -- I coulda did
worse, eh?
--
EA


>
>
>

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:03:11 -0500, "Existential Angst"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>
>>>>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>>>>> Strunk'n'White.....
>>>>> --
>>>>> EA
>>>>
>>>> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
>>>> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE
>>>> e.e.cummings. She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical
>>>> painting style before developing his own.
>>>> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
>>>> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>>>>
>>>> The only exception she tolerated:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>>>
>>> Yep. And many early music groups had advanced degrees in music (The
>>> Limelighters, etc.).
>>
>>Many? Please.....
>>You'd be hardpressed to find rock'n'rollers with ANY degrees in ANYthing,
>>much less in music per se. I'll bet that 50% of rock'n'rollers didn't
>>graduate HS. An ADVANCED degree?? ie, MS, PhD?? Are you KIDDING????
>
> There are a few. Brian May is an astrophysicist.

Brian May is an extraordinary example -- altho, technically speaking, he
didn't get his PhD until 2007 -- well after Queen et al. Still, very
unique.... and thus, one out of.... how many musicians???
So once again, you miss the point.

>
>>If I'm wrong, I"d enjoy hearing your cites.
>>And the irony to that is we then have to listen to GED bullshit
>>philosophies
>>on love and life, recorded for all of eternity, for the rest of our
>>miserable lives.
>
> No, you really don't "have to" but you like whining too much to turn
> it off.

Oh, believe me, I turn it off. But whining is so much fun.

Speaking of whining, and pining, you are pining away for Jim Morrison, eh?
Yeah, I understand.....
>
>
> <more EA claptrap snipped>
>

Yet still, you READ it!! And with very little comprehension, very little to
contribute.
Altho, Brian May was a good one. Mebbe you can fellate him, since Jim is
proly perty corroded by now....
--
EA

"Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:03:11 -0500, "Existential Angst"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>>>>>> Strunk'n'White.....
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> EA
>>>>>
>>>>> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
>>>>> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE
>>>>> e.e.cummings. She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical
>>>>> painting style before developing his own.
>>>>> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
>>>>> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The only exception she tolerated:
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>>>>
>>>> Yep. And many early music groups had advanced degrees in music (The
>>>> Limelighters, etc.).
>>>
>>>Many? Please.....
>>>You'd be hardpressed to find rock'n'rollers with ANY degrees in ANYthing,
>>>much less in music per se. I'll bet that 50% of rock'n'rollers didn't
>>>graduate HS. An ADVANCED degree?? ie, MS, PhD?? Are you KIDDING????
>>
>> There are a few. Brian May is an astrophysicist.
>
> Brian May is an extraordinary example -- altho, technically speaking, he
> didn't get his PhD until 2007 -- well after Queen et al. Still, very
> unique.... and thus, one out of.... how many musicians???
> So once again, you miss the point.
>
>>
>>>If I'm wrong, I"d enjoy hearing your cites.
>>>And the irony to that is we then have to listen to GED bullshit
>>>philosophies
>>>on love and life, recorded for all of eternity, for the rest of our
>>>miserable lives.
>>
>> No, you really don't "have to" but you like whining too much to turn
>> it off.
>
> Oh, believe me, I turn it off. But whining is so much fun.
>
> Speaking of whining, and pining, you are pining away for Jim Morrison, eh?
> Yeah, I understand.....
>>
>>
>> <more EA claptrap snipped>
>>
>
> Yet still, you READ it!! And with very little comprehension, very little
> to contribute.
> Altho, Brian May was a good one. Mebbe you can fellate him, since Jim is
> proly perty corroded by now....


Marc Knopfler (Dire Straits, Sultans of Swing) is another inneresting case.
No PhD in physics, but he got a BS in englich, and was a working stiff for
some time before getting seriously involved in music.
VERY informal training, yet he is ranked in the various Great Guitarists
lists, and Sultans of Swing is in, iirc, the top 100 (or so) of the RS's top
500 hits of all time.
A distinctly unique song, lyric, very rare lyric form, consisting of a bit
of a lengthy, *unrepeated* verse.

And I am sure there are "many others", but still statistically dwarfed by
the successful ilitirits in pop, jazz, and esp. rock'n'roll.

Actors/Actresses seem to be a different story. Altho not rife with PhDs,
there seems to be more countable examples of academic achievement there.
Judd Hirsch (Taxi) has a BSME,
Dolph Lundgren a MS in Chem. E (MIT, iirc),
James Wood is 1 course short of a BS/Math (MIT),
quite a few non-technical degrees running around out there.

In sports:
George (The Animal) Steele (prof. wrestler) sposedly had a PhD in Englich
Lit (and would tear the padding off the turnbuckles apart with his teeth),
Dick Barnett (Knicks) a PhD in psychology,
Bill Bradley (Knicks) Rhodes Scholar (with Clinton), and
the Klitchko Bros (recent or current Russian boxing champs) have PhD's in
exercise physiology.

The reason for the dearth of academic accomplishment in musicians is, as far
as moi can surmise is, is that music requires a highly developed part of the
brain, which often exists "at the expense" of other parts of the brain. In
addition, it often requires total creative immersion, quite at odds with the
(often bullshit) academic ""experience"". WHich is not at all to say that
musicians are less academically capable -- proly quite the opposite, given
the correlation with music, math and physics -- but that the artistic drive
is likely exclusionary.

Acting, otoh, is essentially a higher order emotional aberration, a kind of
low-level functional sociopathy, high-level narcissism, which happens to
benefit from a mainstream socialization process (read: college and college
partying), before it veers off into a well-paid insanity (well, well-paid
for some).

And Le Pubic fuels this like an barely-controlled nuclear reaction. This
is, imo, part and parcel of our economic demise. If you are so confused as
to worship an utterly useless celebrity, HTF can you poss. vote wisely, or
manage yer money??
--
EA




> --
> EA
>
>
>

On Feb 22, 9:55=A0am, "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote:
>...snip....
>
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> BRAIN EXERCISES
>
> If you can read this OUT LOUD, you have a strong mind. And better than th=
at:
> Alzheimer's is a long, long, way down the road before it ever gets anywhe=
re
> near you.
>
> If you can read the following paragraph, forward it to your friends and t=
he
> person who sent it to you with 'Yes' in the subject line. Only very good
> minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!
>
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>
> If you can read this, you are one of the 55 people out of 100 who can.
>
> I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. Th=
e
> phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigd=
e
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e
> olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit
> pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a
> pboerlm. This is bcuseaethe huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istl=
ef,
> but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling =
was
> ipmorantt! If you can raed this forwrad it
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D
> ...snip...

The worst part of rading that message is that as you read it, it
actually starts to become looking 'normal' and speed of reading picks
up!

Communication only needs to be unique. Conculsion is reinforced by the
experiences of meeting a wheelchair stricken man when we moved into
our flat. MS? or something as debilitating. He greeted my "Good
morning" to him with an unintelligible response of high pitched vowels
only. His attending care provider 'interpreted' what he said. Within a
year of continually seeing this gentleman in the lift and conversing
briefly; I could actually hold a conversation discussing weather,
events, etc. without the need of interpretation from his attending
care provider. Learned a lot from thse interactions.

On Feb 23, 11:32=A0am, "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Robert Macy wrote:
>
> > On Feb 22, 8:52 am, Norminn <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > clipped
>
> > > > The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
> > > > robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
> > > > surface for appliances. =A0Probably find some aerospace material wo=
rks,
> > > > like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>
> > > The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, enginee=
red
> > > to not last long enough to get dirty. =A0Last time I went shopping, I
> > > tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with =
was
> > > a picture frame made in Mexico.
>
> > LOL! You are correct! I just bought a 900W microwave from Walmart
> > [made in China] for around $46. I have not had to clean the buttons
> > yet, because ...yes, the plastic coating has deteriorated and looks
> > like I ran a soldering iron over them. At first, I thought this was a
> > protective plastic sheet that I had neglected to remove and was
> > supposed to be removed. Guess not.
>
> =A0 =A0What did you expect for $46? =A0Membrane switches won't take abuse=
, and
> that includes constantly poking them with sharp fingernails or a
> utensil.

For $46, I expected the magnetron to fail

Come on. No sharp finger nails, just finger pads.

On Feb 23, 8:40=A0pm, "Michael A. Terrell" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > > =A0 What did you expect for $46?
>
> > Truly amazing, isn't it? =A0These moron lefties want their $46 microwav=
e
> > but want it hand made in the USA by union thugs, making $50/hr.
>
> > > =A0 Membrane switches won't take abuse, and that includes constantly
> > > poking them with sharp fingernails or a utensil.
>
> > He's pretty dull, though.
>
> =A0 =A0That's the type that doesn't notice the damage till it's too late.
> Hell, a GOOD US made membrane switch would sell for more than $30 in
> quantities of 5,000 or less.
>
> ...snip....

Michael, I did notice the deterioration right from the start. So
what's your point? Obviously, being such a cheap plastic membrane, the
deterioration just kept on. I suppose I could have 'sprayed' a sealer
coating over the membrane switch or RTV'd it or put that PCB gunk on
it to preserve the integrity of whatever seal the manufacturer was
seeking, but come on, this was a cheap microwave.

On Feb 21, 6:49=A0am, "David L. Martel" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Angst,
>
> =A0 =A0I'd not use shelves in a kitchen. Kitchen air has lots of dust and=
grease
> in it. Put things in cabinets and drawers to keep them clean. Expect to
> clean the cabinet surfaces fairly often, so stay away from ornate cabinet=
s.
> =A0 =A0No opinion on stone countertops.
>
> Dave M."Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> >( RCM-ers.... =A0skip down to the alum. plate section)
> > (RW peeple -- stop whining..... yeah, I know, it's not wood, it's
> > anti-wood, deal with it)
>
> > Awl --
>
> > Since ahm fixin up m'shop, The Wife is REALLY bitching about her
> > kitchen.... tit for tat, I spose.... =A0no pun intended.... =A0but an
> > excellent pun, eh?? LOL
>
> > With a hypocrisy worthy of the basest politician, I'm going thru the HD
> > kitchen design route (or at least the motions), =A0mostly to get famili=
ar
> > with the "process" of "new kitchening", not necessarily to actually let
> > them do it. =A0My fillings are already hurting....
>
> > Inyway, sumpn is not right in KitchenDee-zineLand...... =A0'sall beauti=
ful,
> > 'sall archy-tecky, but sumpn is just not right.
>
> > Stunning as all this HGTV stuff is (more like culinary dick-waving), I'=
ll
> > bet that only 1 out of a 100 of these McMansion kitchens are actually u=
sed
> > to do any real cooking. =A0I'm betting that with alladat 1.25" granite =
all
> > over the place, the shitty li'l brats run in and toaster-up their
> > PopTarts, and everyone else is re-microwaving yesterday's KFC and
> > pizza.....
>
> > Oh, and old news: =A0alladisshit is SUPER expensive..... =A0*gratuitous=
ly*
> > expensive (and complicated), in my deezine opinion.
>
> > This notion solidified when I happened on, iirc, a NYTimes-ish profile =
of
> > a big-dick chef and his SoHo-ish home/loft kitchen, where I was struck =
by
> > just how non-archy-tecky it was, yet a thoroughly functional and very
> > funky-attractive kitchen.... =A0a REAL kitchen??
> > =A0Nothing matched in it, none of this bullshit HGTV ""design"", altho =
he
> > was blessed with very high ceilings (*at least* 12 ft, it seemed), and =
a
> > goodly large space.
>
> > Dats when my inkling that HGTV was 99% fullashit changed to 100%
> > fullashit. A conjob, actually, like pretty much everything else on TV.
>
> > The Q at hand is how to juggle wall space, ito cabinetry vs. open
> > shelving.
> > Attractive as all these kitch cabinets are, I just never found them to =
be
> > all that practical, except for mebbe dust protection.
>
> > Recently I discovered these
> >http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=3D13572526&RN=3D204=A0(o=
r
> > google Oggi, flip-lid canisters), which are really very attractive, and
> > *visually useful* ito of retrieving foods, assessing quantities, etc.
> > These further make the case for more open shelving =A0In addition, many
> > kitchen appliances are attractive in their own right, as can be the
> > dinnerware itself, utensils, etc. =A0Ceiling pot racks, imo, are Da Bom=
b.
>
> > So the Q is, How to apportion trad'l cabinetry, with open shelving?
>
> > I am in a semi-unique position in that I have a design for, and have
> > actually built, shelving out of 1/4" alum plate, super-elegant,
> > minimalist, functional, versatile, and strong. =A0The soon-to-arrive Ha=
as
> > GR510 gantry mill will make this plate work much more do-able, as well.
> > This style shelving (wall mounted or freestanding) also lends itself to
> > being very elegantly enclosed, with hingeless doors that pivot on pins.
> > These g-d European hinges drive me crazy.... =A0just how complicated ca=
n
> > shit get????
>
> > So I can actually make a "themed" kitchen of open/enclosed storage, in =
a
> > variety of textures, from anodized to brushed to polished (SS-like) alu=
m..
>
> > Has anyone grappled with this aspect of design, closed vs. open storage=
?
> > Any web sites that deal with this, and the notion of "strategy"?
>
> > The problem with (traditional) kitchen design is that there are no
> > do-overs -- you are essentially stuck with the whole shebang.
> > One thing I learnt with all this granite bullshit is that what looks go=
od
> > in a showroom or sample book may not fare so well over time, when yer e=
yes
> > are just SATURATED with these visually complex granite patterns, which
> > actually become otically numbing after a while, and do a good job of
> > HIDING dirt, spills, grease, etc.
>
> > I learned this by raiding the dumpster of my local granite guy, who
> > allowed me to take substantial pieces of granite, silestone, marble, wh=
ich
> > I spread throughout the existing kitchen as trial countertops. =A0We
> > realized that you had to be *really* careful in your choices, and that
> > most choices would be regretted. =A0We realized that if going the grani=
te et
> > al route, a single color/pattern would become visually oppressive.
>
> > Thusly, I have also come up with a design of anodized alum plate
> > countertops, covered by simple 1/4" beveled glass. =A0Or, for that matt=
er,
> > butcherblock-type motif, covered by 1/4" glass. =A0If the glass ever br=
eaks,
> > cracks, no biggie, go to the glass store. Really a lot of design potent=
ial
> > there. =A0And economy.
> > Fuck Granite.
>
> > Lastly, ito enclosures (cabinets), there is the notion of see-through o=
r
> > translucence of the doors. =A0The leaded-glass effect is very nice, and=
can
> > also be facilitated in a gantry mill, in wood or in 1/4" alum plate.
>
> > The Q is how to sift thru all of this.
> > Oh, yeah, a bit of a hard sell to the Wife.... =A0 LOL
> > Thoughts, idears, experiences?
> > --
> > EA

Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.

Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
CLEAN LOOKING.

Of the countertops we've lived with:
1. painted =3D NO WAY!
2. glass over painted - irritating deterioration occurs UNDER the
glass and don't sit anything really heavy or hot on it. Nice to be
able to put ANY paper patterning under the glass. However, the effect
we had looked cheap, amateur do-it-yourself looking.
3. formica - NO WAY! chemicals EAT right through the tops of formica
turning to white ANY color pattern and worse turning the surfaces into
mush, bleach will do this to formica.
4. tile - NO WAY! all those little cracks [grouting] to keep clean!
plus hairline cracks let liquid right through
5. stone - presently have patterned granite WOW! best surface EVER!
Kitchen always looks great, for example, the crumbs from slicing a
loaf of bread you can't even see them! [yes, one is stuck with the
pattern]

Note on the color of a counter top: presently the countertops are a
little darker than I like. I learned a long time ago that to make work
on a top easier keep the color light. The darker the countertop, the
more difficult it is to see what you're working on.

On Feb 22, 1:40=A0pm, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:15:02 -0600, The Daring Dufas
>
>
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On 2/22/2013 9:52 AM, Norminn wrote:
> >> clipped
>
> >>> The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
> >>> robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
> >>> surface for appliances. =A0Probably find some aerospace material work=
s,
> >>> like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>
> >> The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engineer=
ed
> >> to not last long enough to get dirty. =A0Last time I went shopping, I
> >> tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with w=
as
> >> a picture frame made in Mexico.
>
> >Take a look at the link. ^_^
>
> >http://www.americansworking.com/
>
> It's amazing. =A0Those who whine most about Chinese crap are the same
> people who refuse to buy American when it is available.- Hide quoted text=
-
>
> - Show quoted text -

Define "buy American".

If I buy a product in which the $50 worth of parts were all made in
the US and the final product was assembled in the US by a $1,000,000
robot that was made in Japan, does that constitute "buying American"?

This is an interesting site related to "Qualified 'Made in USA'
claims":

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus03-complying-made-usa-standard

Did I "buy American" if the label says:

"60% U.S. content."
"Made in USA of U.S. and imported parts."
"Couch assembled in USA from Italian Leather and Mexican Frame."

Buying American isn't as clear cut as it used to be, and certainly not
as easy.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 10:52:31 -0500, Norminn <[email protected]>
wrote:

>clipped
>>
>> The manufacturers have solved the countertop problem with granite -
>> robust and hides crumbs. But, they really need to work on finding a
>> surface for appliances. Probably find some aerospace material works,
>> like carbon composite with laminated granite?
>>
>
>The Chinese have solved the problem for appliances...plastic, engineered
>to not last long enough to get dirty. Last time I went shopping, I
>tried to find something NOT made in China...all I could come up with was
>a picture frame made in Mexico.

You're either lying, illiterate, or lazy (didn't look for more than 10
minutes). I'm betting on all three.

On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 10:03:11 -0500, "Existential Angst"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> "Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> Really, I promise, I'll keep it simple from now on, right outta
>>>> Strunk'n'White.....
>>>> --
>>>> EA
>>>
>>> The teacher of my very bright and ambitious high school English class
>>> cautioned us not to write like e.e.cummings unless we WERE
>>> e.e.cummings. She reminded us that Picasso had mastered the classical
>>> painting style before developing his own.
>>> http://www.artchive.com/artchive/p/picasso/self1.jpg
>>> http://smarthistory.khanacademy.org/Picasso-Early-Work.html
>>>
>>> The only exception she tolerated:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams_(composer)
>>
>> Yep. And many early music groups had advanced degrees in music (The
>> Limelighters, etc.).
>
>Many? Please.....
>You'd be hardpressed to find rock'n'rollers with ANY degrees in ANYthing,
>much less in music per se. I'll bet that 50% of rock'n'rollers didn't
>graduate HS. An ADVANCED degree?? ie, MS, PhD?? Are you KIDDING????

There are a few. Brian May is an astrophysicist.

>If I'm wrong, I"d enjoy hearing your cites.
>And the irony to that is we then have to listen to GED bullshit philosophies
>on love and life, recorded for all of eternity, for the rest of our
>miserable lives.

No, you really don't "have to" but you like whining too much to turn
it off.


<more EA claptrap snipped>

-MIKE- wrote:

> So just think about something. If everyone else in the room is telling
> you you're being a jerk, maybe it's not everyone in the room who's
> wrong. Maybe it's you.

Or mabe you're just another loon who thinks this
is a room

clipped

> It's a shame that so many government policies have run manufacturers out
> of the country. I mentioned to someone else that people vote with
> their feet and corporations and manufacturers vote with their moving
> vans. O_o
>
> TDD

People do vote with their feet, stampeding past the mom and pop store to
Walmart.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:08:59 -0800 (PST), Robert Macy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Feb 21, 6:49 am, "David L. Martel" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Angst,
>>
>>    I'd not use shelves in a kitchen. Kitchen air has lots of dust and grease
>> in it. Put things in cabinets and drawers to keep them clean. Expect to
>> clean the cabinet surfaces fairly often, so stay away from ornate cabinets.
>>    No opinion on stone countertops.
>>
>> Dave M."Existential Angst" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>
<EA's illiterate rant snipped>

>
>Hear, hear on the closed storage in a kitchen. and simple surfaces.
>Glass doors allow both the cleaning AND the contents' views.

Glass doors are harder to keep clean than stainless appliances, which
you seem to hate (below).

>Stay away from stainless steel appliances - TOO DIFFICULT TO KEEP
>CLEAN LOOKING.

Not all stainless is the same. Our 'fridge is pretty easy to keep
clean. Other appliances (contractor stuff hasn't been replaced yet),
not so much.

>Of the countertops we've lived with:
>1. painted = NO WAY!

Agreed. No way is paint hard enough for a surface. We saw one house
that had a painted sink!

>2. glass over painted - irritating deterioration occurs UNDER the
>glass and don't sit anything really heavy or hot on it. Nice to be
>able to put ANY paper patterning under the glass. However, the effect
>we had looked cheap, amateur do-it-yourself looking.

Have never seen that. Sounds dangerous.

>3. formica - NO WAY! chemicals EAT right through the tops of formica
>turning to white ANY color pattern and worse turning the surfaces into
>mush, bleach will do this to formica.

They're cheap (throw away).

>4. tile - NO WAY! all those little cracks [grouting] to keep clean!
>plus hairline cracks let liquid right through

Agreed.

>5. stone - presently have patterned granite WOW! best surface EVER!
>Kitchen always looks great, for example, the crumbs from slicing a
>loaf of bread you can't even see them! [yes, one is stuck with the
>pattern]

With you 100%. Granite is the end-all kitchen surface. It's great
for baking, too. ;-)

>Note on the color of a counter top: presently the countertops are a
>little darker than I like. I learned a long time ago that to make work
>on a top easier keep the color light. The darker the countertop, the
>more difficult it is to see what you're working on.

Yep, I didn't much like the speckled top in our last house but it
doesn't show *any* dirt. The counter in this house is darker (brown,
about the color of toast, really) but still isn't bad. We'll never
have kitchen counter tops other than granite, again. We'll probably
change all the bathrooms to granite over the next couple of years.