For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW nicely. It =
appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not adjustable, so the =
gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad more than I've been led to b=
elieve is appropriate. Solid construction and at $55 is about one-fourth t=
he cost of the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
Larry
On 9/22/2013 11:34 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:02:52 -0500, Leon wrote:
>
>>> Guess we should load up on Alka Seltzer, Eno and Gaviscon then. Need
>>> some way to handle all that spicy Texican food.
>>
>> Spicy Texican? LOL. Try come Cajun cooking.
>
> I used to go to a computer conference in Florida in the winter
> (naturally). One of the attendees was from Canada and always wanted to
> go out for Mexican food. Said he couldn't get good Mexican food in
> Canada. Being from California at the time, I pointed out he couldn't get
> it in Florida either. Cuban yes, Mexican no :-).
Exactly and Cuban is significantly different than Mexican.
>
> Come to think of it, the best Mexican food I ever had was in Phoenix AZ.
>
I would imagine most any state that borders Mexico would be a better bet.
That said, most people think of Mexican food as the stuff that looks
like what Taco Bell serves. That is TexMex.
Authentic Mexican food is much more American in appearance, it is not
just tacos and enchiladas with the American ingredient. Many years ago
I learned the traditional Mexican enchilada is more likely to be stuffed
with vegetables, potatoes, etc, not necessarily ground beef and cheese.
And as Swingman and I can attest the Mexican food that you don't picture
in your mind is the stuff worth going after time and again.
Time for more El Panchito!
woodchucker wrote:
> On 9/20/2013 9:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>
>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>
>> Larry
>>
> your sure they are not adjustable. The shaft that holds them should be
> concentric so that you can move them in or out. Is there a set screw
> holding the shaft?
>
I think the word is eccentric. Anyway, I had a similar set and I
believe you loosen the clamp screw and rotate the center screw to
adjust the roller in or out. I turn a lot of green wood and it builds
up on the blade and those would just pack it down and get tighter and
tighter. Had to go back to the steel guides which will scrape down
the buildup.
For ordinary use the roller guides are great.
--
GW Ross
Blessed are the censors; they shall
inhibit the earth.
On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 18:18:22 -0700 (PDT), "Gramps' shop"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>
>Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>
>Larry
Where'd you get them?
"G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 9/20/2013 9:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>
>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW nicely.
>>> It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not adjustable,
>>> so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad more than I've
>>> been led to believe is appropriate. Solid construction and at $55 is
>>> about one-fourth the cost of the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts
>>> and am quite satisfied.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>> your sure they are not adjustable. The shaft that holds them should be
>> concentric so that you can move them in or out. Is there a set screw
>> holding the shaft?
>>
> I think the word is eccentric. Anyway, I had a similar set and I believe
> you loosen the clamp screw and rotate the center screw to adjust the
> roller in or out. I turn a lot of green wood and it builds up on the
> blade and those would just pack it down and get tighter and tighter. Had
> to go back to the steel guides which will scrape down the buildup.
>
> For ordinary use the roller guides are great.
I experienced the same problem with roller guides, on paper they sound
great but wet or oily wood introduces another set of problems. I have had
no issues after switching to ceramic guides.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:18:11 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>>> Yeah, yeah. When Canada invades Texas, your workshop is the first one
>>> I'll be looking to loot.
>
>> That's funny! When Canada invades, all the invaders won't make it past the
>> first shopping mall.
>
> Guess we should load up on Alka Seltzer, Eno and Gaviscon then. Need
> some way to handle all that spicy Texican food.
Spicy Texican? LOL. Try come Cajun cooking.
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 00:52:09 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> My guard, all the way up, is only 6".
>> My guard all the way up is yours plus 10". :-)
>
> Yeah, yeah. When Canada invades Texas, your workshop is the first one
> I'll be looking to loot.
>
> We don't have as many guns as you do, but we have a bumper crop of UFC
> fighters that we can send your way. :)
LOL
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 00:52:09 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> My guard, all the way up, is only 6".
>>> My guard all the way up is yours plus 10". :-)
>>
>> Yeah, yeah. When Canada invades Texas, your workshop is the first one
>> I'll be looking to loot.
>>
>
> That's funny! When Canada invades, all the invaders won't make it past the
> first shopping mall.
Now, that there is funny ... don't care who you are.
--
www.ewoodshop.com (Mobile)
Hey, Mike ... the next time you're in my neighborhood come by my shop and help me get my BS humming. Cold ones are always in the fridge!
Larry
On Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:00:18 AM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 9/21/13 10:35 AM, Leon wrote:
>
> > On 9/21/2013 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>
> >> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> >>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>
> >>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>
> >>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is
>
> >>>> not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is
>
> >>>> a tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate.
>
> >>>> Solid construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of
>
> >>>> the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Larry
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay
>
> >>> seller.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about
>
> >>> which adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which
>
> >>> aren't when I was needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood.
>
> >>> Proper blade tension is so much more important than the guides.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>
> >>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>
> >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and it
>
> >> all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
>
> >> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you
>
> >> will not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that
>
> >> they don't pinch the blade.
>
> >>
>
> >> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> > It all depends on the particular BS and blade. My old Craftsman had
>
> > to have everything just perfect and the blade had to be retentioned
>
> > often during an operation.
>
> >
>
> > Enter my Laguna LT16HD. Guides are handy on tight radius cuts but
>
> > totally unnecessary for moderate cutting.
>
> >
>
>
>
> Exactly. I jokingly wrote in my other post that I'm convinced blade
>
> guide were invented for poor saws, dull blades, and poor technique.
>
> Unless I'm turning tight corners, like you, I keep them up at the wheel
>
> all the time.
>
>
>
>
>
> > If the back bone of the saw flexes when under tension the blade will
>
> > loose tension and the blade will not track properly. How ridged a
>
> > saw is built is directly related with how critical or not critical it
>
> > is to set up. The more the saw flexes the more the blade will rub
>
> > the guides and the more heat generated.
>
> >
>
>
>
> You bring up another great point. What I also learned in all that
>
> research I did and the subsequent practice is that most people put *too
>
> much* tension on their blades. I think the default practice for many
>
> users when a saw that isn't tracking well is to tighten the blade. An
>
> overtightened blade causes its own set of problems.
>
>
>
> After installing new tires and shimming the wheels so they were
>
> perfectly *coplaner, and marking the lead angle for each blade, I was
>
> amazed at how little tension was needed to get the saw cutting
>
> perfectly. This is when I also became aware of the problems with too
>
> much tension on the blade, some of which you mentioned.
>
>
>
>
>
> (*Coplaner means on the same plane. The top bandsaw wheel can be
>
> adjusted easily so it is parallel to the bottom wheel, but that doesn't
>
> mean it's on the same plane, just a parallel one. The two wheels must
>
> be truly *coplaner* in order to cut perfectly.)
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> -MIKE-
>
>
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
>
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
>
> --
>
> http://mikedrums.com
>
> [email protected]
>
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Southeast Wisconsin. Former home of Schlitz, Blatz and Pabst (RIP).
On Saturday, September 21, 2013 12:54:22 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 9/21/13 12:02 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>
> > Hey, Mike ... the next time you're in my neighborhood come by my shop
>
> > and help me get my BS humming. Cold ones are always in the fridge!
>
> >
>
> > Larry
>
> >
>
>
>
> You had me at "cold ones." :-D
>
> What part of the country do you live?
>
> There are a lot of tutorials out there on the interwebs for truing
>
> everything up.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> -MIKE-
>
>
>
> "Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
>
> --Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
>
> --
>
> http://mikedrums.com
>
> [email protected]
>
> ---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/21/13 5:44 PM, Leon wrote:
>> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 9/21/13 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>>>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is
>>>>>> not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a
>>>>>> tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>>>>>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the
>>>>>> Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Larry
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay
>>>>> seller.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about
>>>>> which adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't
>>>>> when I was needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade
>>>>> tension is so much more important than the guides.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>>>>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and
>>>> it all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
>>>> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you
>>>> will not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that they
>>>> don't pinch the blade.
>>>>
>>>> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We can all disagree, that's what keeps this place a goin'. :-)
>>>
>>> After learning the importance of proper tension, in concert with
>>> perfectly coplaner wheels, good tires, and good blades, and finding the
>>> leading angle for your blade.
>>>
>>> After learning this putting it all into practice, I'm convinced blade
>>> guide were invented for poor saws, dull blades, and poor technique. :-)
>>>
>>> Half joking, there, but blade guides are last on my list of priorities
>>> when using my bandsaw. Most of the time, I don't even drop them down
>>> into place, they stay up as far as they go.
>>>
>>
>>
>> FWIW. several years ago when I was shopping to replace the new Ricon BS
>> that I has just returned I visited MiniMax in Austin TX. They demoed the
>> MM16 IIRC with no guides at all. I generally keep the guides on my Laguna
>> about 6" from the table and keeping upper guides that low helps to act as a
>> guard.
>>
>
> Yes it does... that's sort of off topic, but a much better reason to
> employ the rollers IMO. :-)
> My guard, all the way up, is only 6".
>
My guard all the way up is yours plus 10". :-)
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 9/21/13 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>>
>>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is
>>>> not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a
>>>> tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>>>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the
>>>> Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay
>>> seller.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about
>>> which adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't
>>> when I was needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade
>>> tension is so much more important than the guides.
>>>
>>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>> I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and
>> it all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
>> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you
>> will not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that they
>> don't pinch the blade.
>>
>> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>>
>
> We can all disagree, that's what keeps this place a goin'. :-)
>
> After learning the importance of proper tension, in concert with
> perfectly coplaner wheels, good tires, and good blades, and finding the
> leading angle for your blade.
>
> After learning this putting it all into practice, I'm convinced blade
> guide were invented for poor saws, dull blades, and poor technique. :-)
>
> Half joking, there, but blade guides are last on my list of priorities
> when using my bandsaw. Most of the time, I don't even drop them down
> into place, they stay up as far as they go.
>
FWIW. several years ago when I was shopping to replace the new Ricon BS
that I has just returned I visited MiniMax in Austin TX. They demoed the
MM16 IIRC with no guides at all. I generally keep the guides on my Laguna
about 6" from the table and keeping upper guides that low helps to act as a
guard.
"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5685385450154360146
>>
>> Got carried away looking at all the pictures on this site Karl. In
>> this one, what is the device in the mitre slot to the left of your
>> fence? (from the perspective of the viewer of the picture - right
>> from the operator perspective).
>
> Damn... this one...
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/111355467778981859077/albums/5670803008599123937/5903904211471597314?banner=pwa&pid=5903904211471597314&oid=111355467778981859077
That Mike Is a Delta Unifence!
Google unifence table saw fence
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 07:18:11 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
>> Yeah, yeah. When Canada invades Texas, your workshop is the first one
>> I'll be looking to loot.
>That's funny! When Canada invades, all the invaders won't make it past the
>first shopping mall.
Guess we should load up on Alka Seltzer, Eno and Gaviscon then. Need
some way to handle all that spicy Texican food.
On 9/20/2013 9:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>
> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>
> Larry
>
your sure they are not adjustable. The shaft that holds them should be
concentric so that you can move them in or out. Is there a set screw
holding the shaft?
--
Jeff
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 00:52:09 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>> My guard, all the way up, is only 6".
>My guard all the way up is yours plus 10". :-)
Yeah, yeah. When Canada invades Texas, your workshop is the first one
I'll be looking to loot.
We don't have as many guns as you do, but we have a bumper crop of UFC
fighters that we can send your way. :)
On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>
>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not
>> adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad
>> more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters.
>> Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay seller.
>
> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about which
> adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't when I was
> needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade tension is so
> much more important than the guides.
>
> This is the original post I made on the topic...
> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>
>
I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and it
all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you will
not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that they don't
pinch the blade.
Of course my fence is set accurately too.
--
Jeff
On 9/21/2013 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>
>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not
>>> adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad
>>> more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters.
>>> Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay seller.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about which
>> adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't when I was
>> needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade tension is so
>> much more important than the guides.
>>
>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>>
>>
>
> I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and it
> all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you will
> not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that they don't
> pinch the blade.
>
> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>
>
It all depends on the particular BS and blade. My old Craftsman had to
have everything just perfect and the blade had to be retentioned often
during an operation.
Enter my Laguna LT16HD. Guides are handy on tight radius cuts but
totally unnecessary for moderate cutting.
If the back bone of the saw flexes when under tension the blade will
loose tension and the blade will not track properly. How ridged a saw
is built is directly related with how critical or not critical it is to
set up. The more the saw flexes the more the blade will rub the guides
and the more heat generated.
On 9/21/2013 8:39 AM, G. Ross wrote:
> woodchucker wrote:
>> On 9/20/2013 9:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>
>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not
>>> adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad
>>> more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters.
>>> Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>> your sure they are not adjustable. The shaft that holds them should be
>> concentric so that you can move them in or out. Is there a set screw
>> holding the shaft?
>>
> I think the word is eccentric. Anyway, I had a similar set and I
> believe you loosen the clamp screw and rotate the center screw to adjust
> the roller in or out. I turn a lot of green wood and it builds up on
> the blade and those would just pack it down and get tighter and
> tighter. Had to go back to the steel guides which will scrape down the
> buildup.
>
> For ordinary use the roller guides are great.
>
Yep, eccentric..
--
Jeff
On 9/22/2013 11:45 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 9/22/2013 11:34 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:
>
>> I used to go to a computer conference in Florida in the winter
>> (naturally). One of the attendees was from Canada and always wanted to
>> go out for Mexican food. Said he couldn't get good Mexican food in
>> Canada. Being from California at the time, I pointed out he couldn't get
>> it in Florida either. Cuban yes, Mexican no :-).
>
> Exactly and Cuban is significantly different than Mexican.
>
>
>
>>
>> Come to think of it, the best Mexican food I ever had was in Phoenix AZ.
>>
>
>
> I would imagine most any state that borders Mexico would be a better bet.
>
>
> That said, most people think of Mexican food as the stuff that looks
> like what Taco Bell serves. That is TexMex.
>
> Authentic Mexican food is much more American in appearance, it is not
> just tacos and enchiladas with the American ingredient. Many years ago
> I learned the traditional Mexican enchilada is more likely to be stuffed
> with vegetables, potatoes, etc, not necessarily ground beef and cheese.
>
> And as Swingman and I can attest the Mexican food that you don't picture
> in your mind is the stuff worth going after time and again.
>
> Time for more El Panchito!
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On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>
> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is not
> adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a tad
> more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the Carters.
> Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>
> Larry
>
Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay seller.
I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about which
adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't when I was
needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade tension is so
much more important than the guides.
This is the original post I made on the topic...
http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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[email protected]
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On 9/21/13 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>
>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is
>>> not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a
>>> tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the
>>> Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay
>> seller.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about
>> which adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't
>> when I was needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade
>> tension is so much more important than the guides.
>>
>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>>
>>
>
>>
> I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and
> it all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you
> will not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that they
> don't pinch the blade.
>
> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>
We can all disagree, that's what keeps this place a goin'. :-)
After learning the importance of proper tension, in concert with
perfectly coplaner wheels, good tires, and good blades, and finding the
leading angle for your blade.
After learning this putting it all into practice, I'm convinced blade
guide were invented for poor saws, dull blades, and poor technique. :-)
Half joking, there, but blade guides are last on my list of priorities
when using my bandsaw. Most of the time, I don't even drop them down
into place, they stay up as far as they go.
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On 9/21/13 10:35 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 9/21/2013 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>>
>>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is
>>>> not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is
>>>> a tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate.
>>>> Solid construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of
>>>> the Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay
>>> seller.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about
>>> which adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which
>>> aren't when I was needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood.
>>> Proper blade tension is so much more important than the guides.
>>>
>>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>>
I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and it
>> all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
>> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you
>> will not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that
>> they don't pinch the blade.
>>
>> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>>
>>
> It all depends on the particular BS and blade. My old Craftsman had
> to have everything just perfect and the blade had to be retentioned
> often during an operation.
>
> Enter my Laguna LT16HD. Guides are handy on tight radius cuts but
> totally unnecessary for moderate cutting.
>
Exactly. I jokingly wrote in my other post that I'm convinced blade
guide were invented for poor saws, dull blades, and poor technique.
Unless I'm turning tight corners, like you, I keep them up at the wheel
all the time.
> If the back bone of the saw flexes when under tension the blade will
> loose tension and the blade will not track properly. How ridged a
> saw is built is directly related with how critical or not critical it
> is to set up. The more the saw flexes the more the blade will rub
> the guides and the more heat generated.
>
You bring up another great point. What I also learned in all that
research I did and the subsequent practice is that most people put *too
much* tension on their blades. I think the default practice for many
users when a saw that isn't tracking well is to tighten the blade. An
overtightened blade causes its own set of problems.
After installing new tires and shimming the wheels so they were
perfectly *coplaner, and marking the lead angle for each blade, I was
amazed at how little tension was needed to get the saw cutting
perfectly. This is when I also became aware of the problems with too
much tension on the blade, some of which you mentioned.
(*Coplaner means on the same plane. The top bandsaw wheel can be
adjusted easily so it is parallel to the bottom wheel, but that doesn't
mean it's on the same plane, just a parallel one. The two wheels must
be truly *coplaner* in order to cut perfectly.)
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On Sat, 21 Sep 2013 08:39:59 -0400, G. Ross wrote:
> I turn a lot of green wood and it builds up on the blade and those would
> just pack it down and get tighter and tighter. Had to go back to the
> steel guides which will scrape down the buildup.
>
> For ordinary use the roller guides are great.
My Rikon bandsaw came with roller guides and I had the same problem with
wet wood. After I cleaned the blade, I sprayed it with one of the
products sold to spray cast iron tables - don't remember which one.
That almost completely eliminated the buildup. I worried that the
sprayed blade might slip on the wheels but that didn't happen.
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On 9/21/13 12:02 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Hey, Mike ... the next time you're in my neighborhood come by my shop
> and help me get my BS humming. Cold ones are always in the fridge!
>
> Larry
>
You had me at "cold ones." :-D
What part of the country do you live?
There are a lot of tutorials out there on the interwebs for truing
everything up.
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On 9/21/13 5:44 PM, Leon wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 9/21/13 8:41 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 9/20/2013 10:26 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 9/20/13 8:18 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>>> For -MIKE- and anyone else interested:
>>>>>
>>>>> Received the Carter look-alike guides and they fit my JBS 14MW
>>>>> nicely. It appears that the spacing between the two rollers is
>>>>> not adjustable, so the gap between the rollers and the blade is a
>>>>> tad more than I've been led to believe is appropriate. Solid
>>>>> construction and at $55 is about one-fourth the cost of the
>>>>> Carters. Ran a couple of test cuts and am quite satisfied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update, Larry. I'm going to bookmark that ebay
>>>> seller.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't worry too much about the gap. I learned a lot about
>>>> which adjustments on a bandsaw are truly important and which aren't
>>>> when I was needing to re-saw some 8" bamboo plywood. Proper blade
>>>> tension is so much more important than the guides.
>>>>
>>>> This is the original post I made on the topic...
>>>> http://goo.gl/J7Z3vs
>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.woodworking/GdobAgbxHHI/OM85a1vy8HIJ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>> I disagree with that. I have my band saw set up very nicely now and
>>> it all matters. I can resaw without variation (minimal). Those guides
>>> prevent it from twisting to some degree. Twist at the top and you
>>> will not track. I use cool blocks just slightly touching so that they
>>> don't pinch the blade.
>>>
>>> Of course my fence is set accurately too.
>>>
>>
>> We can all disagree, that's what keeps this place a goin'. :-)
>>
>> After learning the importance of proper tension, in concert with
>> perfectly coplaner wheels, good tires, and good blades, and finding the
>> leading angle for your blade.
>>
>> After learning this putting it all into practice, I'm convinced blade
>> guide were invented for poor saws, dull blades, and poor technique. :-)
>>
>> Half joking, there, but blade guides are last on my list of priorities
>> when using my bandsaw. Most of the time, I don't even drop them down
>> into place, they stay up as far as they go.
>>
>
>
> FWIW. several years ago when I was shopping to replace the new Ricon BS
> that I has just returned I visited MiniMax in Austin TX. They demoed the
> MM16 IIRC with no guides at all. I generally keep the guides on my Laguna
> about 6" from the table and keeping upper guides that low helps to act as a
> guard.
>
Yes it does... that's sort of off topic, but a much better reason to
employ the rollers IMO. :-)
My guard, all the way up, is only 6".
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 00:52:09 -0500, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> My guard, all the way up, is only 6".
>> My guard all the way up is yours plus 10". :-)
>
> Yeah, yeah. When Canada invades Texas, your workshop is the first one
> I'll be looking to loot.
>
That's funny! When Canada invades, all the invaders won't make it past the
first shopping mall.
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On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 09:02:52 -0500, Leon wrote:
>> Guess we should load up on Alka Seltzer, Eno and Gaviscon then. Need
>> some way to handle all that spicy Texican food.
>
> Spicy Texican? LOL. Try come Cajun cooking.
I used to go to a computer conference in Florida in the winter
(naturally). One of the attendees was from Canada and always wanted to
go out for Mexican food. Said he couldn't get good Mexican food in
Canada. Being from California at the time, I pointed out he couldn't get
it in Florida either. Cuban yes, Mexican no :-).
Come to think of it, the best Mexican food I ever had was in Phoenix AZ.
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Swingman wrote:
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5685385450154360146
Got carried away looking at all the pictures on this site Karl. In this
one, what is the device in the mitre slot to the left of your fence? (from
the perspective of the viewer of the picture - right from the operator
perspective).
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Mike Marlow wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>
>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5685385450154360146
>
> Got carried away looking at all the pictures on this site Karl. In
> this one, what is the device in the mitre slot to the left of your
> fence? (from the perspective of the viewer of the picture - right
> from the operator perspective).
Damn... this one...
https://plus.google.com/photos/111355467778981859077/albums/5670803008599123937/5903904211471597314?banner=pwa&pid=5903904211471597314&oid=111355467778981859077
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On 9/22/13 6:28 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Swingman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5685385450154360146
>>
>>
>>>
Got carried away looking at all the pictures on this site Karl. In
>> this one, what is the device in the mitre slot to the left of your
>> fence? (from the perspective of the viewer of the picture - right
>> from the operator perspective).
>
> Damn... this one...
>
> https://plus.google.com/photos/111355467778981859077/albums/5670803008599123937/5903904211471597314?
>banner=pwa&pid=5903904211471597314&oid=111355467778981859077
>
>
I think that just the clamping mechanism for that fence system.
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-MIKE- wrote:
>
> I think that just the clamping mechanism for that fence system.
Must be then, that it only looks like it sits in the mitre slot.
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On 9/22/13 7:04 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>
>> I think that just the clamping mechanism for that fence system.
>
> Must be then, that it only looks like it sits in the mitre slot.
>
It's the older Unisaw version, like here...
http://www.provenwoodworking.com/table-saw-tips.html
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> wrote in message Swingman wrote:
>
>
>>
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111355467778981859077/EWoodShopJustStuff#5685385450154360146
>
> Got carried away looking at all the pictures on
> this site Karl. In this one, what is the device
> in the mitre slot to the left of your fence?
> (from the perspective of the viewer of the
> picture - right from the operator perspective).
>
> --
>
> -Mike-
I like that cordless drill auger at the end of the
list... ;>)}