Makita 18v 1/2 Hammer Drill - Heads-up

On 22 Nov 2014 19:32:59 GMT, Puckdropper
<puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> Might want to check this out. Don't know how long this will last, and
>> it may in only certain areas but it is an excellent price for those
>> looking for another drill, battery and charger:
>>
>> http://m.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-1-2-in
>> -Hammer-Driver-Drill-Kit-XPH012/205382798/
>>
>> Normally the price for the tool only. Ordered it online yesterday for
>> store pickup, so I don't know if you can walk in and get the same
>> price.
>>
>> I've been happy with my matching Makita drill and impact driver for a
>> few years now, so this makes a trio in the drill arsenal.
>>
>
>Looks like Amazon's got the same thing. $99.
>
>The battery & charger will easily run $99 (replacement chargers are
>expensive), so if you need those this is the way to go. That's the 3.0
>aH battery, btw.
>
>Puckdropper



tool only $ 129. + battery $ 119. + charger ... $ $ ..
... Canada, as usual gets screwed again ..
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On 11/27/2014 4:02 AM, Morgans wrote:

> I would also add that IMHO, the Makita of today is not nearly as tough
> as the Makita of 15 years ago. Like half as tough.

Tough enough to be cost effective, which rules in business use ... then
and now.

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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Might want to check this out. Don't know how long this will last, and
> it may in only certain areas but it is an excellent price for those
> looking for another drill, battery and charger:
>
> http://m.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-1-2-in
> -Hammer-Driver-Drill-Kit-XPH012/205382798/
>
> Normally the price for the tool only. Ordered it online yesterday for
> store pickup, so I don't know if you can walk in and get the same
> price.
>
> I've been happy with my matching Makita drill and impact driver for a
> few years now, so this makes a trio in the drill arsenal.
>

Looks like Amazon's got the same thing. $99.

The battery & charger will easily run $99 (replacement chargers are
expensive), so if you need those this is the way to go. That's the 3.0
aH battery, btw.

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Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:Baacw.76780
[email protected]:

> I see it now at $25 off the $100 price this month. Martin (on Amazon)
>

http://www.amazon.com/Makita-XPH012-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Driver-
Drill/dp/B00N9ULIAE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1416770496&sr=8-1
&keywords=XPH012

This listing? It's not eligible for that promotion.

Puckdropper
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Karl - have you used this drill yet? They have the same one now at HD as p=
art of their Christmas promotions. It has a case, one battery, and the sam=
e drill and charger. =20

I was wondering if you could turn off the "hammer" capability and use it as=
a heavy duty driver. If you could, that would be a "no brainer" for me. =
Yes? No?

I use a hammer drill these days to drill deep 1/4" holes for tap in anchors=
to secure plate, plywood furring strips, etc. Almost all holes I drill in=
masonry ae 1/4, usually no more than 3/8". The hardest thing that drill w=
ould do as a hammer drill is when I am installing new thresholds on existin=
g doors into really old concrete. Reading the specs on that drill, I think=
it would suit my needs with plenty left over.

Your thoughts?

Robert

On 11/29/2014 1:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:54:44 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
>
>> Tough enough to be cost effective, which rules in business use ... then
>> and now.
>
> Spot on, Karl. I like to buy enough to do the job and then a bit extra, no more. Tools break, they get stolen, they wear out, manufacturers stop supporting certain models, tecnologies change, better stuff comes out, and that great tool you bought that got 5 star ratings all around turns out to be a POS.
>
> I have noticed that it is homeowners and hobby guys that have huge requirements of their tools and what they expect of them, not professionals. They dote on battery power, rugged build, the ability to take a beating, and POWER.

Why buy an 18V drill when I can get a 36v that weighs only 20 pounds? I
have four 2" screw to drive today so I need that power.

One reason I like my Panasonic 15.6v so much is the weight Face it, for
most of us hobbyist a 12 volt drill driver will get the job done
building a bookcase or box, but tools are no different than any other
hobby products. The best golf clubs, stereo equipment, cameras, kitchen
equipment, etc. Many of us are buying the spec sheet no matter how poor
the actual value of the product may be.

Don't forget, you need the right logo on your shirts too!

OTOH, a nice plane is a pleasure to use.

On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:41:15 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:

> Used it with a tapcon bit yesterday to do just that. Worked just fine,=20
> although I usually go to a tailed drill for that function if I were=20
> drilling more than a few holes.
>=20
> This is an XLT that matches my current XLTs; a drill/driver, and impact=
=20
> driver, that Ive had for about five years. I've used Makita cordless=20
> drills for over 30 years and have never been dissatisfied with a single=
=20
> one to date.

I usually wear out a good cordless drill about every three years. At this =
point, my drills get used more than my saws or anything else I use. I seem=
to drill and screw everything these days since I do so much maintenance an=
d repair work. I settled on DeWalt as I could buy an upper end drill and i=
t would make all 36 months. Then the drive train collapses or the motor qu=
its, but I figure I got my money's worth out of it.

I have a Makita that I won in a contractor's raffle about 15 - 18 years ago=
I can't kill. Carbide inserts on the chuck, helical cut (not cast and no =
plastic) gears in the drive train, and some kind of unkillable motor. It s=
till runs great and will drill/drive circles around anything I have ever ow=
ned. But the damn thing weighs as much as two other drills and is HUGE. I=
t's only a 14v, but as I said, it will out work any drill I have ever owned=
. If this Makita is from the lineage I will be using it as much as a heavy=
duty driver as I will a drill. It seems pretty compact and light weight.

Thanks Karl, and thanks Morgans for the "heads up".

Robert

On 11/30/2014 5:28 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:44:54 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Why buy an 18V drill when I can get a 36v that weighs only 20 pounds? I
>> have four 2" screw to drive today so I need that power.
>>
>> One reason I like my Panasonic 15.6v so much is the weight Face it, for
>> most of us hobbyist a 12 volt drill driver will get the job done
>> building a bookcase or box, but tools are no different than any other
>> hobby products. The best golf clubs, stereo equipment, cameras, kitchen
>> equipment, etc. Many of us are buying the spec sheet no matter how poor
>> the actual value of the product may be.
>
> I bought a 2 drill combo a couple of years ago when I had to pull a million hinges and relocate a similar hinge on the doors after refinishing. It was a little 12V combo that came with 2 batteries. I was really surprised at how much use I have got then and continue to get from that set. I pulled all the screws to prep the doors, drilled new pilot holes for new screws and then drove in the little 5/8" hinge screws. Like the little drills enough that I used them to replace the drawer slides, add sliding baskets in the lowers, and then add the pull and knob hardware.
>
> Testing it out, I found when new the little 12V drill would drill about 240 pilot holes for the hinge screws into white oak. Wow! I didn't pay attention to how many hinge screws it would drive as the drill just kept on going.
>
> What I really like is the small size. On a retrofit it is easy to get a drawer slide cockeyed, or worse, one that actually needs to be cockeyed. I can get one of these drills inside the cabinet fairly easily and loosen, then tighten the adjustments as needed.
>
> I don't have anything against big brand, very expensive tools. Sadly, few of them have any real value to me. Worse, the folks I see that buy them get so little use out of them it is a shame.
>
> Two exceptions would be Karl and his Festool track saw. After seeing the super clean, accurate cuts Karl made when breaking down his sheet goods for cabinets he was building, I have been looking for an excuse to get one. No kidding, with planning you could build cabinets with the quality and accuracy of the end product.
>
> The other would be Leon and his might Domino. Having seen all he uses he has found for that machine, he has truly shown what that tool can do. I wouldn't be surprised if Leon has fixed a flat or two with his machine. I know he uses it to make salsa! Having installed thousands of Dominoes, he gets his use out of it.
>
> Thinking while I am typing, those really are the only two guys I know that have put premium tools to work, guys that use them for constant work like they were designed to do. A couple of years go I tried like heck to get a guy I know to sell me his Domino machine. No dice. He probably hasn't cut more than a hundred (if that) Dominoes with it, but he feels like it gives him some serious cabinet making credentials just to have it. And so it sits. Along with his Festool 12V drill that he saw Silva using on This Old House.
>
> For him, they are great for bragging rights and paper weights.
>
> Robert
>


LOL,,, If I were in your shoes I would not have a majority of the
Festool tools that I have. It is true about working on a job site, you
dont want just anyone using the expensive stuff. I have the track saw
too. It is the first tool that cuts into a sheet of plywood. I no
longer need help to cut a full sheet on the TS.

I will say that the T15-3 drill combo was an indulgence, Christmas
present from my wife. Has it paid for it self, hard to say. But for
the last 3 years it HAS replaced my 12 volt Makita Impact driver and
drill. I was helping a couple of friends install a sliding barn door
door separating the bedroom from master bath. This drill ran circles
around the Dewalt 18 volt drill that one of them had. It would not
drive the 3/8" lag screws but the 15 volt Festool did with no issue and
at a controlled steady pace. The right angle adapter has been used
countless times, I used it yesterday to remove and replace close out
panels under the front end of my wife's car. The car sits way too low
to the ground to simply use the drill pointed straight up and down. It
has also been handy for putting wood screws in tight spots on many
occasions. ;~)

The Domino.....I am on my 3rd replacement box of Domino's Each box
holds 1800 and each of those typically requires 2 plunges in the mating
pieces. I wonder how many plunges the machine is rated for.... I am
still using the original 5mm bit and it seems to be doing fine.

On Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:54:44 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:

> Tough enough to be cost effective, which rules in business use ... then=
=20
> and now.

Spot on, Karl. I like to buy enough to do the job and then a bit extra, no=
more. Tools break, they get stolen, they wear out, manufacturers stop sup=
porting certain models, tecnologies change, better stuff comes out, and tha=
t great tool you bought that got 5 star ratings all around turns out to be =
a POS.

I have noticed that it is homeowners and hobby guys that have huge requirem=
ents of their tools and what they expect of them, not professionals. They =
dote on battery power, rugged build, the ability to take a beating, and POW=
ER.

It is awful for them to see my guys in action using tools that are mismatch=
ed, in different stages of their lives, and worse, how much we all pride li=
ghtweight tools that are easily replaced or repairs.

In four decades of on site work, I have never seen a Festool product. I ha=
ve never seen a Metabo product. I have never seen Lamillo product. I have=
seen one Fein oscillating tool, owned by my coutertop guy. I never see th=
e high powered monster tools that they tout in the wood/tool magazines or o=
nline blogs. Just a mish mash of tools that get it done.

Robert=20

On Saturday, November 29, 2014 8:44:54 AM UTC-6, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Why buy an 18V drill when I can get a 36v that weighs only 20 pounds? I=
=20
> have four 2" screw to drive today so I need that power.
>=20
> One reason I like my Panasonic 15.6v so much is the weight Face it, for=
=20
> most of us hobbyist a 12 volt drill driver will get the job done=20
> building a bookcase or box, but tools are no different than any other=20
> hobby products. The best golf clubs, stereo equipment, cameras, kitchen=
=20
> equipment, etc. Many of us are buying the spec sheet no matter how poor=
=20
> the actual value of the product may be.

I bought a 2 drill combo a couple of years ago when I had to pull a million=
hinges and relocate a similar hinge on the doors after refinishing. It wa=
s a little 12V combo that came with 2 batteries. I was really surprised at=
how much use I have got then and continue to get from that set. I pulled =
all the screws to prep the doors, drilled new pilot holes for new screws an=
d then drove in the little 5/8" hinge screws. Like the little drills enoug=
h that I used them to replace the drawer slides, add sliding baskets in the=
lowers, and then add the pull and knob hardware.

Testing it out, I found when new the little 12V drill would drill about 240=
pilot holes for the hinge screws into white oak. Wow! I didn't pay atten=
tion to how many hinge screws it would drive as the drill just kept on goin=
g.

What I really like is the small size. On a retrofit it is easy to get a dr=
awer slide cockeyed, or worse, one that actually needs to be cockeyed. I c=
an get one of these drills inside the cabinet fairly easily and loosen, the=
n tighten the adjustments as needed.

I don't have anything against big brand, very expensive tools. Sadly, few =
of them have any real value to me. Worse, the folks I see that buy them ge=
t so little use out of them it is a shame.

Two exceptions would be Karl and his Festool track saw. After seeing the s=
uper clean, accurate cuts Karl made when breaking down his sheet goods for =
cabinets he was building, I have been looking for an excuse to get one. No=
kidding, with planning you could build cabinets with the quality and accur=
acy of the end product.

The other would be Leon and his might Domino. Having seen all he uses he h=
as found for that machine, he has truly shown what that tool can do. I wou=
ldn't be surprised if Leon has fixed a flat or two with his machine. I kno=
w he uses it to make salsa! Having installed thousands of Dominoes, he get=
s his use out of it.

Thinking while I am typing, those really are the only two guys I know that =
have put premium tools to work, guys that use them for constant work like t=
hey were designed to do. A couple of years go I tried like heck to get a g=
uy I know to sell me his Domino machine. No dice. He probably hasn't cut =
more than a hundred (if that) Dominoes with it, but he feels like it gives =
him some serious cabinet making credentials just to have it. And so it sit=
s. Along with his Festool 12V drill that he saw Silva using on This Old Ho=
use.

For him, they are great for bragging rights and paper weights.

Robert

On 11/22/2014 1:32 PM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Might want to check this out. Don't know how long this will last, and
>> it may in only certain areas but it is an excellent price for those
>> looking for another drill, battery and charger:
>>
>> http://m.homedepot.com/p/Makita-18-Volt-LXT-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-1-2-in
>> -Hammer-Driver-Drill-Kit-XPH012/205382798/
>>
>> Normally the price for the tool only. Ordered it online yesterday for
>> store pickup, so I don't know if you can walk in and get the same
>> price.
>>
>> I've been happy with my matching Makita drill and impact driver for a
>> few years now, so this makes a trio in the drill arsenal.
>>
>
> Looks like Amazon's got the same thing. $99.
>
> The battery & charger will easily run $99 (replacement chargers are
> expensive), so if you need those this is the way to go. That's the 3.0
> aH battery, btw.
>
> Puckdropper
>
I see it now at $25 off the $100 price this month. Martin (on Amazon)

On 11/29/2014 12:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:54:44 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
>
>> Tough enough to be cost effective, which rules in business use ... then
>> and now.
>
> Spot on, Karl. I like to buy enough to do the job and then a bit extra, no more. Tools break, they get stolen, they wear out, manufacturers stop supporting certain models, tecnologies change, better stuff comes out, and that great tool you bought that got 5 star ratings all around turns out to be a POS.
>
> I have noticed that it is homeowners and hobby guys that have huge requirements of their tools and what they expect of them, not professionals. They dote on battery power, rugged build, the ability to take a beating, and POWER.
>
> It is awful for them to see my guys in action using tools that are mismatched, in different stages of their lives, and worse, how much we all pride lightweight tools that are easily replaced or repairs.
>
> In four decades of on site work, I have never seen a Festool product. I have never seen a Metabo product. I have never seen Lamillo product. I have seen one Fein oscillating tool, owned by my coutertop guy. I never see the high powered monster tools that they tout in the wood/tool magazines or online blogs. Just a mish mash of tools that get it done.
>
> Robert
>


Well there sonny boy. You have never been on site with Karl or I. LOL

On 11/26/2014 10:03 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 5:41:15 AM UTC-6, Swingman wrote:
>
>> Used it with a tapcon bit yesterday to do just that. Worked just fine,
>> although I usually go to a tailed drill for that function if I were
>> drilling more than a few holes.
>>
>> This is an XLT that matches my current XLTs; a drill/driver, and impact
>> driver, that Ive had for about five years. I've used Makita cordless
>> drills for over 30 years and have never been dissatisfied with a single
>> one to date.
>
> I usually wear out a good cordless drill about every three years. At this point, my drills get used more than my saws or anything else I use. I seem to drill and screw everything these days since I do so much maintenance and repair work. I settled on DeWalt as I could buy an upper end drill and it would make all 36 months. Then the drive train collapses or the motor quits, but I figure I got my money's worth out of it.
>
> I have a Makita that I won in a contractor's raffle about 15 - 18 years ago I can't kill. Carbide inserts on the chuck, helical cut (not cast and no plastic) gears in the drive train, and some kind of unkillable motor. It still runs great and will drill/drive circles around anything I have ever owned. But the damn thing weighs as much as two other drills and is HUGE. It's only a 14v, but as I said, it will out work any drill I have ever owned. If this Makita is from the lineage I will be using it as much as a heavy duty driver as I will a drill. It seems pretty compact and light weight.
>
> Thanks Karl, and thanks Morgans for the "heads up".
>
> Robert
>

A heads up on the Makita products. It was explained to me that the
blue/green Makita are the more HD line of Makita tools.
The White Makita products are the home owner grade.

On 11/24/2014 6:09 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> Karl - have you used this drill yet? They have the same one now at HD as part of their Christmas promotions. It has a case, one battery, and the same drill and charger.
>
> I was wondering if you could turn off the "hammer" capability and use it as a heavy duty driver. If you could, that would be a "no brainer" for me. Yes? No?

Yep, as Morgans said, the hammer function is optional, with the usual
ring selector for rotation only, rotation with clutch, rotation with hammer.

> I use a hammer drill these days to drill deep 1/4" holes for tap in anchors to secure plate, plywood furring strips, etc. Almost all holes I drill in masonry ae 1/4, usually no more than 3/8". The hardest thing that drill would do as a hammer drill is when I am installing new thresholds on existing doors into really old concrete. Reading the specs on that drill, I think it would suit my needs with plenty left over.

Used it with a tapcon bit yesterday to do just that. Worked just fine,
although I usually go to a tailed drill for that function if I were
drilling more than a few holes.

This is an XLT that matches my current XLTs; a drill/driver, and impact
driver, that Ive had for about five years. I've used Makita cordless
drills for over 30 years and have never been dissatisfied with a single
one to date.

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On 11/29/2014 2:25 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 11/29/2014 12:27 AM, [email protected] wrote:

>> In four decades of on site work, I have never seen a Festool product.
>> I have never seen a Metabo product. I have never seen Lamillo
>> product. I have seen one Fein oscillating tool, owned by my coutertop
>> guy. I never see the high powered monster tools that they tout in the
>> wood/tool magazines or online blogs. Just a mish mash of tools that
>> get it done.
>>
>> Robert
>>
>
>
> Well there sonny boy. You have never been on site with Karl or I. LOL

For those of y'all wondering, this is what Leon looks like on site:

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WXTySi_uN1Tz5jpe7kpdttMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink

That heavy duty Festool hat he wears cost so much it pushed his head
down between his shoulder blades.

(Note the Festool box cardboard being used to protect the floor ... only
the finest...)

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Yes, hammer is on or off, optional.



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news:[email protected]...

Karl - have you used this drill yet? They have the same one now at HD as
part of their Christmas promotions. It has a case, one battery, and the
same drill and charger.

I was wondering if you could turn off the "hammer" capability and use it as
a heavy duty driver. If you could, that would be a "no brainer" for me.
Yes? No?

I use a hammer drill these days to drill deep 1/4" holes for tap in anchors
to secure plate, plywood furring strips, etc. Almost all holes I drill in
masonry ae 1/4, usually no more than 3/8". The hardest thing that drill
would do as a hammer drill is when I am installing new thresholds on
existing doors into really old concrete. Reading the specs on that drill, I
think it would suit my needs with plenty left over.

Your thoughts?

Robert


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"Leon" <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote

> A heads up on the Makita products. It was explained to me that the
> blue/green Makita are the more HD line of Makita tools.
> The White Makita products are the home owner grade.

I would also add that IMHO, the Makita of today is not nearly as tough as
the Makita of 15 years ago. Like half as tough.


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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> One reason I like my Panasonic 15.6v so much is the weight Face it,
> for most of us hobbyist a 12 volt drill driver will get the job done
> building a bookcase or box, but tools are no different than any other
> hobby products. The best golf clubs, stereo equipment, cameras,
> kitchen equipment, etc. Many of us are buying the spec sheet no
> matter how poor the actual value of the product may be.
>

You'd be surprised how many screws I drive with a little 3.4v Dremmel
cordless drill. I wouldn't use it to screw down a 20x40 deck, but I use it
for things that other guys would reach for an 18v to do. But this little
thing is so handy - light and easy to move around, small so it gets into
tight places, not as likely to overtorque screws and break them. It's just
become a go-to tool for me. I have an 18v Ridgid that will twist your arm
off and sometimes I need it, but it's just amazing how much work I get done
with this little guy with a lot less effort.

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