Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
An article about bench tallow, another bench article
from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
are just not "grabbing me".
I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
and it seems that I get more out of those articles
then the ones in the more recent issues.
What do you think?
MJ
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:55:33 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>>>On Jun 26, 11:31 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>
>>>> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>>>> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>>>> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>>>> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>>>> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>>>> >are just not "grabbing me".
>>>>
>>>> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>>>> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>>>> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>>>
>>>> >What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
>>>> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>>>>
>>>> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
>>>> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had a
>>>> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
>>>> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
>>>>
>>>> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George Walker's
>>>> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
>>>>
>>>> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>>>>
>>>> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
>>>> to hell, MJ. <sigh>
>>>
>>>Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
>>>carrying the results to the car.
>>
>> I had to walk a long block and a half because the large city of Rogue
>> River was having its rooster crow-off that morning and the parade was
>> traipsing through town at the same time. Traffic was gawdawful.
>>
>>
>>>I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
>>>we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like paperbacks)
>>>and Goodwill.
>>
>> I'm out of shelving and have 100+ to go to eBay...if I can find the
>> right sucker to list them all for me in return for half the profits.
>
>Sometimes selling them on Amazon is a better choice. When I retired I
>unloaded all my technical books on Amazon and got a decent return. We have
>Powell's here in Portland and they do buy used, but they are getting more
>and more picky as the yaers go by. When I was selling my stuff on Amazon I
>was undercutting Powells and netting a lot more than they would have paid.
The last time I looked into selling them on the Amazone, I think they
wanted 45%. I looked no further. Did I misread their docs?
>Now I mostly donate to our Library Booster's store. Unfortunately I tend to
>buy almost as many books from them as I take in. They sell paperbacks for
>$0.50 and hardbound for $1.00, except for high value books.
Yeah, I have trouble in those, too. ;)
Well, my TO READ is down to 4 stacks about a cubit high now, from _The
Way of the Tiger_ to _Gun Digest's Tactical Firearm Assy/Disassy
Manual_ to _What Plant Where_ and _The Wild Lawn Handbook_, not to
mention about a foot of magazine back issues.
--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear ideas
in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson
In article
<[email protected]>,
<"[email protected]"> wrote:
> I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
> and it seems that I get more out of those articles
> then the ones in the more recent issues.
>
> What do you think?
I thought it was just me who felt that way! It seems to me that they
are trying to become more like FWW.
I'm not trying to say there isn't a place for this type of magazine in
the trade, but the content certainly isn't "Popular" woodworking.
Just my 2¢
Joe
aka 10x
With the severe downturn in folks reading any printed papers magazines, I
bet the publisher is under a great deal of pressure for the advertizers to
increase readership. I would hate to be in thier shoes trying to turn this
around. Most folks and more importantly the youger population use the
internet only. Only time will tell if they sink or swim
Paul
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
> not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
> for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
> An article about bench tallow, another bench article
> from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
> are just not "grabbing me".
>
> I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
> and it seems that I get more out of those articles
> then the ones in the more recent issues.
>
> What do you think?
>
> MJ
"PB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> With the severe downturn in folks reading any printed papers magazines, I
> bet the publisher is under a great deal of pressure for the advertizers to
> increase readership. I would hate to be in thier shoes trying to turn this
> around. Most folks and more importantly the youger population use the
> internet only. Only time will tell if they sink or swim
>
If in fact that is the problem, it is a late stage of the game. Many years
ago, certain magazines were owned and operated by folks who actually loved
what they did and had an actual commitment to turning out a good product.
Then a bunch of scumbag "magazine publishers" came in and bought up all the
little guys. The quality of the magazines went down, way down.
The quality has been so low, for so many years, that many magazines have not
been worth buying for many people. I used to buy magazines all the time and
subscribed to many. Not so much, any more. The last few subscriptions have
to magazines that went out of business or went to an electronic format that
was content challenged and required the eyes of an eagle to read. And the
ones that went out of business did NOT refund the money. They "substituted"
a far inferior magazine that consists of puff pieces and huge amounts of
advertising.
I was in a bookstore yesterday picking up a book. I looked at some magazines
while I was there. Anything I would even consider cost at least $10. Some
were more. I love magazines and would have more of them around if they were
more affordable and had some actual content.
Another problem I encountered in the last year. My wife knew I liked
magazines and said she would buy some magazine subscriptions for me (for my
birthday) if I found some good prices. I looked on the web for some bargains
and found a number of places that offered bargain prices. I ordered a bunch
of subscriptions. Then the fun began.
I already told you about the ones going electronic (impossible to read). And
the switch and bait with a far inferior product. Essentially using the
reputation of a good magazine to substitute their crap. But it gets even
better. I was told to wait for three months for the subscription tp start.
Then the calls went on for awhile and they stopped answering my calls. And
since it was so long, paypal would not do anything about it.
I don't know if their was a problem with the magazine or I just got ripped
off. That definitely soured any desire for new subscriptions. I did
subscribe to a magazine for work recently. They couldn't process my credit
card. I sent them another card number. They couldn't process that one
either. So I gave them a debit card number. That worked. I was looking at my
statements to make sure I did not get ripped off again.
Ain't this magazine thing fun??
"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> If in fact that is the problem, it is a late stage of the game. Many
> years ago, certain magazines were owned and operated by folks who
> actually loved what they did and had an actual commitment to turning
> out a good product. Then a bunch of scumbag "magazine publishers" came
> in and bought up all the little guys. The quality of the magazines
> went down, way down.
>
> The quality has been so low, for so many years, that many magazines
> have not been worth buying for many people. I used to buy magazines
> all the time and subscribed to many. Not so much, any more. The last
> few subscriptions have to magazines that went out of business or went
> to an electronic format that was content challenged and required the
> eyes of an eagle to read. And the ones that went out of business did
> NOT refund the money. They "substituted" a far inferior magazine that
> consists of puff pieces and huge amounts of advertising.
>
> I was in a bookstore yesterday picking up a book. I looked at some
> magazines while I was there. Anything I would even consider cost at
> least $10. Some were more. I love magazines and would have more of
> them around if they were more affordable and had some actual content.
That's why I dropped a magazine I subscribed to for over 10 years. The
magazine format's great for dropping in the laptop bag and taking on a
trip, or reading during commercials.
To put it simply, though, I was bored. Their formula is the same basic
stuff over and over again, and nothing interesting. How many how to
articles (with no "why" sections) does it take to make a magazine?
*snip*
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
PB wrote:
> With the severe downturn in folks reading any printed papers
> magazines, I bet the publisher is under a great deal of pressure for
> the advertizers to increase readership. I would hate to be in thier
> shoes trying to turn this around. Most folks and more importantly the
> youger population use the internet only. Only time will tell if they
> sink or swim
Actually, the printed magazine is experiencing something of an uptick these
days. Cycles and all that...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
> not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
> for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
> An article about bench tallow, another bench article
> from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
> are just not "grabbing me".
>
> I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
> and it seems that I get more out of those articles
> then the ones in the more recent issues.
>
> What do you think?
>
> MJ
Yeah it kinda sucks.
Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
> If in fact that is the problem, it is a late stage of the game. Many
> years ago, certain magazines were owned and operated by folks who
> actually loved what they did and had an actual commitment to turning
> out a good product. Then a bunch of scumbag "magazine publishers"
> came in and bought up all the little guys. The quality of the
> magazines went down, way down.
I don't think it has gone down so much as back then when we were reading,
more of the information was new to us. Now, we're more familiar with it
(growing knowledge), and the tired of magazine model of repeating
information in cycles has become both obvious and trying for us.
>
> The quality has been so low, for so many years, that many magazines
> have not been worth buying for many people. I used to buy magazines
> all the time and subscribed to many. Not so much, any more. The last
> few subscriptions have to magazines that went out of business or went
> to an electronic format that was content challenged and required the
> eyes of an eagle to read.
Ain't age a bitch?
>
> I was in a bookstore yesterday picking up a book. I looked at some
> magazines while I was there. Anything I would even consider cost at
> least $10. Some were more. I love magazines and would have more of
> them around if they were more affordable and had some actual content.
>
Holy cow Lee - what the heck are you reading? Even in the airports, where
rape is considered a nobel marketing tactic, I don't see prices like that.
>
> I already told you about the ones going electronic (impossible to
> read). And the switch and bait with a far inferior product.
> Essentially using the reputation of a good magazine to substitute
> their crap. But it gets even better. I was told to wait for three
> months for the subscription tp start. Then the calls went on for
> awhile and they stopped answering my calls. And since it was so long,
> paypal would not do anything about it.
Usually it's just the opposite - they get the subscription out immediately,
and then try to stab you for automatic renewals.
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 15:26:14 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote the following:
>
>"PB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> With the severe downturn in folks reading any printed papers magazines, I
>> bet the publisher is under a great deal of pressure for the advertizers to
>> increase readership. I would hate to be in thier shoes trying to turn this
>> around. Most folks and more importantly the youger population use the
>> internet only. Only time will tell if they sink or swim
>>
>If in fact that is the problem, it is a late stage of the game. Many years
>ago, certain magazines were owned and operated by folks who actually loved
>what they did and had an actual commitment to turning out a good product.
>Then a bunch of scumbag "magazine publishers" came in and bought up all the
>little guys. The quality of the magazines went down, way down.
Ayup, the quality quartered while the price of the mag doubled.
>The quality has been so low, for so many years, that many magazines have not
>been worth buying for many people. I used to buy magazines all the time and
>subscribed to many. Not so much, any more. The last few subscriptions have
>to magazines that went out of business or went to an electronic format that
>was content challenged and required the eyes of an eagle to read. And the
>ones that went out of business did NOT refund the money. They "substituted"
>a far inferior magazine that consists of puff pieces and huge amounts of
>advertising.
Here's where we differ. I get the vast majority of new jig ideas
presented to me via WW mag ads, so I actually like to see them in the
mags. I see the new patented ideas that I like and make one for
myself, usually with lots of mods to make it precisely right for me. I
hate the DVDs of a decade of magazine articles with no ads, since
that's half of what I buy mags for.
>I was in a bookstore yesterday picking up a book. I looked at some magazines
>while I was there. Anything I would even consider cost at least $10. Some
>were more. I love magazines and would have more of them around if they were
>more affordable and had some actual content.
Ain't dat da trufe?
>Another problem I encountered in the last year. My wife knew I liked
>magazines and said she would buy some magazine subscriptions for me (for my
>birthday) if I found some good prices. I looked on the web for some bargains
>and found a number of places that offered bargain prices. I ordered a bunch
>of subscriptions. Then the fun began.
Grok that.
>I already told you about the ones going electronic (impossible to read). And
>the switch and bait with a far inferior product. Essentially using the
>reputation of a good magazine to substitute their crap. But it gets even
>better. I was told to wait for three months for the subscription tp start.
>Then the calls went on for awhile and they stopped answering my calls. And
>since it was so long, paypal would not do anything about it.
The 3-month delay is standard now. First, the seller "needs" a month
to get all his script eggs in a basket and present it to the
distributor. Then the distributor "needs" a month to collect his own.
Now 2 months have passed and the magazine finally gets your script.
They put it on the auto-print list and it comes out the next time they
make the run, unless they've already sent the list to the printing
queue, which means it'll be the next issue after taht when you finally
get your first copy. I've found that I can gripe directly to the mag
publisher and get quicker results. Pop Wood took only 6 weeks to
process after I griped to all. Family Handyman is still in limbo, but
I got 3 years for $10, so if I miss 1 copy, it won't be critical.
>I don't know if their was a problem with the magazine or I just got ripped
>off. That definitely soured any desire for new subscriptions. I did
>subscribe to a magazine for work recently. They couldn't process my credit
>card. I sent them another card number. They couldn't process that one
>either. So I gave them a debit card number. That worked. I was looking at my
>statements to make sure I did not get ripped off again.
I _almost_ got some subscriptions on eBay 5 years ago, from a jerk
named Wiersum. The delays were so long, I didn't have the first copy
of one mag for over six months. Complaints to him (daily for a month,
then weekly for a year and a half) and eBay (weekly for a couple
months) didn't do any good for a year, when he refunded 1 of 3. I was
so soured on the 3 magazines due to this asshole that I don't read any
of them today. That's the drama of it all. The asshole made me lose
interest in a perfectly good magazine, and all I can think about when
I hear the name is that asshole.
Thankfully, MJW Sales is out of biz today.
>Ain't this magazine thing fun??
Work it! Paying $10 for 3 years instead of $75 is a treat, and worth
a wait, even if it's sin in this day and age of computerized lists and
publishing. They should be able to get your name today and publish the
first copy of the mag for you the next day, if it's being printed
then. It's the assholes in the middle who screw things up so royally.
--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear ideas
in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson
On Jun 26, 11:31=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
> >are just not "grabbing me".
>
> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>
> >What do you think?
>
> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>
> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. =A0And the library had a
> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
>
> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George Walker's
> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me. =A0
>
> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>
> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
> to hell, MJ. =A0<sigh>
>
> --
> The most powerful factors in the world are clear ideas
> in the minds of energetic men of good will.
> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 -- J.=
Arthur Thomson
Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
carrying the results to the car.
I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like paperbacks)
and Goodwill. Why is it that the day after you donate a book, you want
to re-read something in it?
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
> not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
> for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
> An article about bench tallow, another bench article
> from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
> are just not "grabbing me".
>
> I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
> and it seems that I get more out of those articles
> then the ones in the more recent issues.
>
> What do you think?
>
> MJ
I was in the grocery store the other day and noticed a copy on the magazine
rack. Thanks to the discussion here I was curious and started thumbing
through it. It looks to me like Christopher Schwartz has done a pretty
decent job of integrating ads to 'Woodworking'. I never paid much attention
to 'Popular Woodworking', but when 'Woodworking came out as a separate, ad
free magazine I bought quite a few issues and enjoyed it.
I bought the 'Popular Woodworking' issue and did read it cover to cover. The
Tallow story is the kind of thing that doesn't get covered elsewhere and I
did enjoy it. I've see CS do the Roubo bench thing a time or two before, but
he is a good writer and that can make up for some repetition. But then,
Every magazine does the Bench at least once a year and they've All done the
Latest Router Table thing to the point where I might scream out loud if I
see another cover for one.
I'm not sure this issue would get me to subscribe, but I'll keep an eye on
it. Their web site is interesting.
Larry Jaques wrote,on my timestamp of 3/07/2010 12:09 AM:
>> better. I was told to wait for three months for the subscription tp start.
>> Then the calls went on for awhile and they stopped answering my calls. And
>> since it was so long, paypal would not do anything about it.
>
> The 3-month delay is standard now. First, the seller "needs" a month
> to get all his script eggs in a basket and present it to the
> distributor. Then the distributor "needs" a month to collect his own.
Lovely. Add to that the delays in distro overseas...
A while ago I subscribed to FW. Part of the attraction
was that I wouldn't have to wait for the current issue to
show up in the local newsagencies, one month late!
Guess what: the subscribed copy showed at the same time.
Apparently, they did that so the local distributor wouldn't
be "disadvantaged".
Yeah!
right...
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>
>>On Jun 26, 11:31 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>>> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>>> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>>> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>>> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>>> >are just not "grabbing me".
>>>
>>> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>>> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>>> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>>
>>> >What do you think?
>>>
>>> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
>>> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>>>
>>> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
>>> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had a
>>> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
>>> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
>>>
>>> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George Walker's
>>> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
>>>
>>> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>>>
>>> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
>>> to hell, MJ. <sigh>
>>
>>Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
>>carrying the results to the car.
>
> I had to walk a long block and a half because the large city of Rogue
> River was having its rooster crow-off that morning and the parade was
> traipsing through town at the same time. Traffic was gawdawful.
>
>
>>I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
>>we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like paperbacks)
>>and Goodwill.
>
> I'm out of shelving and have 100+ to go to eBay...if I can find the
> right sucker to list them all for me in return for half the profits.
Sometimes selling them on Amazon is a better choice. When I retired I
unloaded all my technical books on Amazon and got a decent return. We have
Powell's here in Portland and they do buy used, but they are getting more
and more picky as the yaers go by. When I was selling my stuff on Amazon I
was undercutting Powells and netting a lot more than they would have paid.
Now I mostly donate to our Library Booster's store. Unfortunately I tend to
buy almost as many books from them as I take in. They sell paperbacks for
$0.50 and hardbound for $1.00, except for high value books.
"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:55:33 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
> wrote the following:
>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>>On Jun 26, 11:31 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>>
>>>>> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>>>>> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>>>>> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>>>>> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>>>>> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>>>>> >are just not "grabbing me".
>>>>>
>>>>> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>>>>> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>>>>> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> >What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
>>>>> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>>>>>
>>>>> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
>>>>> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had a
>>>>> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
>>>>> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George Walker's
>>>>> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
>>>>> to hell, MJ. <sigh>
>>>>
>>>>Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
>>>>carrying the results to the car.
>>>
>>> I had to walk a long block and a half because the large city of Rogue
>>> River was having its rooster crow-off that morning and the parade was
>>> traipsing through town at the same time. Traffic was gawdawful.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
>>>>we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like paperbacks)
>>>>and Goodwill.
>>>
>>> I'm out of shelving and have 100+ to go to eBay...if I can find the
>>> right sucker to list them all for me in return for half the profits.
>>
>>Sometimes selling them on Amazon is a better choice. When I retired I
>>unloaded all my technical books on Amazon and got a decent return. We have
>>Powell's here in Portland and they do buy used, but they are getting more
>>and more picky as the yaers go by. When I was selling my stuff on Amazon I
>>was undercutting Powells and netting a lot more than they would have paid.
>
> The last time I looked into selling them on the Amazone, I think they
> wanted 45%. I looked no further. Did I misread their docs?
I haven't looked for years. It wasn't that much last time I sold anything.
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:55:33 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
>> wrote the following:
>>
>>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 26, 11:31 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>>>>>> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>>>>>> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>>>>>> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>>>>>> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>>>>>> >are just not "grabbing me".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>>>>>> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>>>>>> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
>>>>>> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
>>>>>> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had a
>>>>>> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
>>>>>> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George
>>>>>> Walker's
>>>>>> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
>>>>>> to hell, MJ. <sigh>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
>>>>> carrying the results to the car.
>>>>
>>>> I had to walk a long block and a half because the large city of Rogue
>>>> River was having its rooster crow-off that morning and the parade was
>>>> traipsing through town at the same time. Traffic was gawdawful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
>>>>> we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like paperbacks)
>>>>> and Goodwill.
>>>>
>>>> I'm out of shelving and have 100+ to go to eBay...if I can find the
>>>> right sucker to list them all for me in return for half the profits.
>>>
>>> Sometimes selling them on Amazon is a better choice. When I retired I
>>> unloaded all my technical books on Amazon and got a decent return. We
>>> have
>>> Powell's here in Portland and they do buy used, but they are getting
>>> more
>>> and more picky as the yaers go by. When I was selling my stuff on
>>> Amazon I
>>> was undercutting Powells and netting a lot more than they would have
>>> paid.
>>
>> The last time I looked into selling them on the Amazone, I think they
>> wanted 45%. I looked no further. Did I misread their docs?
>
> I haven't looked for years. It wasn't that much last time I sold anything.
IIRC, Amazon charges about $1 + 15% (of the price), but you get $4 for
shipping, and you usually come out ahead on that part. By the time you
factor in your time: printing a label, packing, going to the post
office, its hard to justify the effort for an item that sells for less
than $15 or so.
Here is a little tip: list all of the items you want to sell all at one
time, with good prices, and you may be able to print labels, pack and
ship items 2 or 3 at a time. I've had plenty of items sell in one or
two days (when I sell, I price things to move).
Bill
"Bill" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 14:55:33 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote the following:
>>>
>>>> "Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 26, 11:31 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>>>>>>> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>>>>>>> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>>>>>>> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>>>>>>> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>>>>>>> >are just not "grabbing me".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>>>>>>> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>>>>>>> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >What do you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
>>>>>>> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
>>>>>>> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I
>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery
>>>>>>> bag.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George
>>>>>>> Walker's
>>>>>>> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all
>>>>>>> gone
>>>>>>> to hell, MJ. <sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
>>>>>> carrying the results to the car.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had to walk a long block and a half because the large city of Rogue
>>>>> River was having its rooster crow-off that morning and the parade was
>>>>> traipsing through town at the same time. Traffic was gawdawful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
>>>>>> we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like
>>>>>> paperbacks)
>>>>>> and Goodwill.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm out of shelving and have 100+ to go to eBay...if I can find the
>>>>> right sucker to list them all for me in return for half the profits.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes selling them on Amazon is a better choice. When I retired I
>>>> unloaded all my technical books on Amazon and got a decent return. We
>>>> have
>>>> Powell's here in Portland and they do buy used, but they are getting
>>>> more
>>>> and more picky as the yaers go by. When I was selling my stuff on
>>>> Amazon I
>>>> was undercutting Powells and netting a lot more than they would have
>>>> paid.
>>>
>>> The last time I looked into selling them on the Amazone, I think they
>>> wanted 45%. I looked no further. Did I misread their docs?
>>
>> I haven't looked for years. It wasn't that much last time I sold
>> anything.
>
> IIRC, Amazon charges about $1 + 15% (of the price), but you get $4 for
> shipping, and you usually come out ahead on that part. By the time you
> factor in your time: printing a label, packing, going to the post office,
> its hard to justify the effort for an item that sells for less than $15 or
> so.
>
> Here is a little tip: list all of the items you want to sell all at one
> time, with good prices, and you may be able to print labels, pack and ship
> items 2 or 3 at a time. I've had plenty of items sell in one or two days
> (when I sell, I price things to move).
I did that with my stuff. There were times I was using a laundry bag to
carry the packages to the PO.
One thing I noticed was people using some sort of 'sniping' software to drop
their price when they were under cut. This seems to be how some used prices
drop to a penny. Couple of sale bots light into each other and pretty soon
you've got a deal. Doesn't seem to happen with books that are genuinely
rare.
On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>are just not "grabbing me".
>
>I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>then the ones in the more recent issues.
>
>What do you think?
I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had a
sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George Walker's
design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
to hell, MJ. <sigh>
--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear ideas
in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson
On Sat, 03 Jul 2010 00:33:10 +1000, Noons <[email protected]>
wrote the following:
>Larry Jaques wrote,on my timestamp of 3/07/2010 12:09 AM:
>
>>> better. I was told to wait for three months for the subscription tp start.
>>> Then the calls went on for awhile and they stopped answering my calls. And
>>> since it was so long, paypal would not do anything about it.
>>
>> The 3-month delay is standard now. First, the seller "needs" a month
>> to get all his script eggs in a basket and present it to the
>> distributor. Then the distributor "needs" a month to collect his own.
>
>Lovely. Add to that the delays in distro overseas...
>A while ago I subscribed to FW. Part of the attraction
>was that I wouldn't have to wait for the current issue to
>show up in the local newsagencies, one month late!
>Guess what: the subscribed copy showed at the same time.
>Apparently, they did that so the local distributor wouldn't
>be "disadvantaged".
>Yeah!
>right...
The actual reason is that it took that long to print it upside down
for reading in Oz, Noons. Consider yourself lucky that they even go
to that trouble for only $100AU a year, plus shipping.
--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear ideas
in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson
On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 01:27:04 -0700 (PDT), Charlie Self
<[email protected]> wrote the following:
>On Jun 26, 11:31 pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:25:40 -0700 (PDT), "[email protected]"
>> <[email protected]> wrote the following:
>>
>> >Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>> >not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>> >for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>> >An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>> >from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>> >are just not "grabbing me".
>>
>> >I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>> >and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>> >then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>
>> >What do you think?
>>
>> I think it's worth the $16 I paid for a 3 year scrip to it.
>> Hell, the 20% coupons for HF are worth more than that every month.
>>
>> I got my newest issue yesterday and haven't even opened it. I wanted
>> to finish _March Upcountry_ before starting it. And the library had a
>> sale today, so $3 got me 25 new books. I donated another $3 as I left
>> since my canvas bag held twice as much as their supplied grocery bag.
>>
>> Flipping through it, the Odate table, the Ruobo bench, George Walker's
>> design articles, and _Roy_ make the issue work for me.
>>
>> I can overlook the bird house and mitered half laps projects.
>>
>> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
>> to hell, MJ. <sigh>
>
>Hate those library sales. I usually spend $10 to $15 and have trouble
>carrying the results to the car.
I had to walk a long block and a half because the large city of Rogue
River was having its rooster crow-off that morning and the parade was
traipsing through town at the same time. Traffic was gawdawful.
>I long ago ran out of space for bookshelves in this little house, so
>we're now donating some books to the VA (mostly, they like paperbacks)
>and Goodwill.
I'm out of shelving and have 100+ to go to eBay...if I can find the
right sucker to list them all for me in return for half the profits.
>Why is it that the day after you donate a book, you want
>to re-read something in it?
Yeah, good question, Charlie.
--
The most powerful factors in the world are clear ideas
in the minds of energetic men of good will.
-- J. Arthur Thomson
On 6/26/2010 10:31 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I've flipped through other mags in the past year and they've all gone
> to hell, MJ.<sigh>
Not the mag's so much as age, experience, and the Internet.
When we were young, inexperienced, and there was no Internet, almost
everything you read in a woodworking magazine, even the most basic,
stood a good chance of being new and interesting.
In the age of information overload, dotage, and your third router table,
just how many more magazine, "super duper router table", plans can you
find "new and interesting"?
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www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:37:39 -0400, "PB" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>With the severe downturn in folks reading any printed papers magazines, I
>bet the publisher is under a great deal of pressure for the advertizers to
>increase readership. I would hate to be in thier shoes trying to turn this
>around. Most folks and more importantly the youger population use the
>internet only. Only time will tell if they sink or swim
>
>Paul
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Just got the third issue of the "new" Pop. Woodworking,
>> not sure about the re-do. I'm willing to continue
>> for awhile, but this month's issue is to me lifeless.
>> An article about bench tallow, another bench article
>> from Christopher Schwartz and a simple stool
>> are just not "grabbing me".
>>
>> I've had occasion to go back a couple of years
>> and it seems that I get more out of those articles
>> then the ones in the more recent issues.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> MJ
>
I have not looked at a Popular Woodworking in many years. Even today
I'll be lucky to read Fine Woodworking, my favorite. I'm well over
50 and went "paperless" 12 years ago. Well maybe not, almost, the USA
government still likes paper trails.