I am not an Apple Novice so:
That piece of software is lethal. Be VERY careful when you decide to
install it.
It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
It appears to be Adobe's stuff gets hit hardest.
It is also a RAM hog and should run on 2GB of RAM.
Worse of all, the only way to get it is from The App store and NO
refund once you find it sucks.
IF you're silly enough to install it, make sure you have a full back-
up through Time Machine and that you have a Snow Leopard DVD handy.
I am staying put at 10.6.8 and they can forget about any further
support from me.
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Jul 24, 9:50 pm, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I guess they admit to being so far behind.
>>
>> What happened to execute, memory accessand other system traps on this old
>> days so powerful processor? This is 80s stuff. Not that MS was using it
>> until XP, either.
>>
>How does such a high level computer expert end up sounding like such a
>blithering idiot?
Becausehe'sabloodytroll,youblitheringidiot.
--
[Television is] the triumph of machine over people.
-- Fred Allen
"Swingman" wrote
>
> With the dumbing down of the user pool and Apple's focus on the mass
> market aspects of their business, I'm noticing more and more pissed off
> Apple fanbois lately ... you post is hereby submitted as evidence of that
> observaion. :)
>
Steve Jobs learned that from Bill Gates. Each generation of software from
these two giants gets more glitzy and less functional. At one time software
was used to work. Now it seems everything is about social networks, games,
entertainment, etc. I spent hours in the new MS browser trying to do things
I have always been able to. MS bragged about how they hid stuff. They were
proud of it!
And this whole thing of taking what is happening on a phone and porting it
over the PC is just moronic. But it seems that lots of folks, who aren't
that smart of successful, only computer is that damn phone. It is all part
of dumbing down the masses. When computer education consists of games, on
line gossip and phones, I suppose it makes sense.
Style wins out over substance.
"Swingman" wrote
>
> Either we're just old farts who don't like it when they move our cheese,
> or the world is indeed going to hell in a hand basket. ;)
>
Us, old farts??? I prefer to think of myself as a mature curmudgeon.
Or maybe we just think that computers are used to actually do some work.
And software just reflect that fact.
> How's that new pup doing?
>
Chewing on everything. Plays hard, sleeps, pisses, poops and just a
handful. He doesn't understand why we get upset if he plays in the street
or chews electrical cords. And he has declared our sheepskin slippers to be
mortal enemies. He attacks those on sight. And he is always underfoot. We
have to walk funny to avoid him. He is still a youngster. He will learn.
On 2011-07-23 23:56:49 -0400, Robatoy <[email protected]> said:
> It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
> like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
CS5 works on Lion. Has to download some Javascript runtime, though. I
figured that was necessitated by Adobe's AIR interface, which REALLY
crapped up their software.
On 2011-07-24 08:25:30 -0400, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> said:
> Something must be wrong at your end. It is impossible for members of
> the Apple community to believe that Apple would push ANYTHING that was
> less than perfect.
>
> Every time an Apple user upgrades, an angel gets its wings!
For those interested, here is a very in-depth look at LION:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars
On 2011-07-24 12:32:38 -0400, Swingman <[email protected]> said:
> Either we're just old farts who don't like it when they move our
> cheese, or the world is indeed going to hell in a hand basket. ;)
These are not mutually exclusive conclusions.
On 2011-07-24 10:57:11 -0400, "m II" <[email protected]> said:
> Maybe it is time for the Mac to get some anti-virus software and come
> up to the 21st century.
Read this, smarty-pants:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/9#security
On Jul 24, 11:40=A0am, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Angela Sekeris" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> > The Lion upgrade appears to be Apple trying to homogenize the 'Look-
> > and-Feel' of the iPhone, iPad and now the iMac and laptops.
>
> I bought my wife a new iRon. =A0She does not like the look and feel of it=
at
> all. =A0Not even the button for steam.
Verrry clever and consider it stolen.
On Jul 24, 1:27=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> "Swingman" =A0wrote
>
>
>
> > Either we're just old farts who don't like it when they move our cheese=
,
> > or the world is indeed going to hell in a hand basket. ;)
>
> Us, old farts??? =A0I prefer to think of myself as a mature curmudgeon.
>
> Or maybe we just think that computers are used to actually do some work.
> And software just reflect that fact.
>
> > How's that new pup doing?
>
> Chewing on everything. =A0Plays hard, sleeps, pisses, poops and just a
> handful. =A0He doesn't understand why we get upset if he plays in the str=
eet
> or chews electrical cords. =A0And he has declared our sheepskin slippers =
to be
> mortal enemies. He attacks those on sight. =A0And he is always underfoot.=
=A0We
> have to walk funny to avoid him. =A0He is still a youngster. He will lear=
n.
All worth it in the end. Well, shit... sheepskin slippers? They NEED
TO BE ANNIHILATED!!!
Playing in the street and electrical cords are not good things.
On Jul 25, 7:56=A0am, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 20:06:24 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >On Jul 24, 9:50=A0pm, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> I guess they admit to being so far behind.
>
> >> What happened to execute, memory accessand other system traps on this =
old
> >> days so powerful processor? This is 80s stuff. Not that MS was using i=
t
> >> until XP, either.
>
> >How does such a high level computer expert end up sounding like such a
> >blithering idiot?
>
> Becausehe'sabloodytroll,youblitheringidiot.
>
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Thanks
On Jul 24, 8:25=A0am, "HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robatoy wrote:
> > I am not an Apple Novice so:
>
> > That piece of software is lethal. Be VERY careful when you decide to
> > install it.
> > It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
> > like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
> > It appears to be Adobe's stuff gets hit hardest.
>
> > It is also a RAM hog and should run on 2GB of RAM.
>
> > Worse of all, the only way to get it is from The App store and NO
> > refund once you find it sucks.
>
> > IF you're silly enough to install it, make sure you have a full back-
> > up through Time Machine and that you have a Snow Leopard DVD handy.
>
> > I am staying put at 10.6.8 and they can forget about any further
> > support from me.
>
> Something must be wrong at your end. It is impossible for members of the
> Apple community to believe that Apple would push ANYTHING that was less t=
han
> perfect.
>
> Every time an Apple user upgrades, an angel gets its wings!
The Lion upgrade appears to be Apple trying to homogenize the 'Look-
and-Feel' of the iPhone, iPad and now the iMac and laptops. All the
application icons appeared as a series of buttons, screen-wide as if
they're trying to push the whole Apple community to wards Touch Screen
as the Norm.
A lot of macs are used in printing, publishing, web creation, graphic
arts and to a certain extent music production. Those folks will not be
happy with Lion.
I expect a big back-lash.
About the loyalty of mac users. Those who use Adobe products to make a
living are more than happy to switch to Windows 7 on a reliable box.
That ghastly Windows nightmare has largely been dealt with and the
difference between Windows and mac isn't enough to matter anymore.
I honestly believe Apple has shot itself in the foot with this one....
but the sales of their other gadgets will still keep them as a leader
in 'cool'.
On Jul 24, 9:50=A0pm, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I guess they admit to being so far behind.
>
> What happened to execute, memory accessand other system traps on this old
> days so powerful processor? This is 80s stuff. Not that MS was using it
> until XP, either.
>
How does such a high level computer expert end up sounding like such a
blithering idiot?
Maybe it is time for the Mac to get some anti-virus software and come up to
the 21st century.
The Great Wall has been up too long.
-------------
"Robatoy" wrote in message
news:b55b551c-c6fe-4794-ad4a-4ea6013ae23a@o18g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
I am not an Apple Novice so:
That piece of software is lethal. Be VERY careful when you decide to
install it.
It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
It appears to be Adobe's stuff gets hit hardest.
It is also a RAM hog and should run on 2GB of RAM.
Worse of all, the only way to get it is from The App store and NO
refund once you find it sucks.
IF you're silly enough to install it, make sure you have a full back-
up through Time Machine and that you have a Snow Leopard DVD handy.
I am staying put at 10.6.8 and they can forget about any further
support from me.
On 7/24/2011 8:04 AM, Angela Sekeris wrote:
> The Lion upgrade appears to be Apple trying to homogenize the 'Look-
> and-Feel' of the iPhone, iPad and now the iMac and laptops. All the
> application icons appeared as a series of buttons, screen-wide as if
> they're trying to push the whole Apple community to wards Touch Screen
> as the Norm.
> A lot of macs are used in printing, publishing, web creation, graphic
> arts and to a certain extent music production. Those folks will not be
> happy with Lion.
> I expect a big back-lash.
> About the loyalty of mac users. Those who use Adobe products to make a
> living are more than happy to switch to Windows 7 on a reliable box.
> That ghastly Windows nightmare has largely been dealt with and the
> difference between Windows and mac isn't enough to matter anymore.
>
> I honestly believe Apple has shot itself in the foot with this one....
> but the sales of their other gadgets will still keep them as a leader
> in 'cool'.
Did you notice the uproar over the new version of Final Cut last month?
Hey, it's never nice to fuck with professionals who make their living
with the software!
IMO, Apple has always displayed a condescending arrogance in matters
like this. Although I found a ton of use for the iPad, and will most
likely buy an iPhone as soon as my current contract expires because of
the way the two devices work together, I've not found Apples' UI to be
all that intuitive, and more than a bit clumsy even, despite all the
historic hoopla. I'm still surprised almost daily at how non-intuitive
navigating the web with Safari is when you get away from just the basic
browser tasks.
With the dumbing down of the user pool and Apple's focus on the mass
market aspects of their business, I'm noticing more and more pissed off
Apple fanbois lately ... you post is hereby submitted as evidence of
that observaion. :)
Besides, I put the blame squarely on Apple for ruining the ears of an
entire generation of music fans with ProTools. :)
That said, it all depends upon how you measure success ... and Apple
under Steve Jobs, has been phenomenally "successful" in the market place
... no argument with that.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On 7/24/2011 11:12 AM, Lee Michaels wrote:
> I spent hours in the new MS browser
> trying to do things I have always been able to. MS bragged about how
> they hid stuff. They were proud of it!
Firefox did exactly the same thing with the new version.
Either we're just old farts who don't like it when they move our cheese,
or the world is indeed going to hell in a hand basket. ;)
How's that new pup doing?
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
On Jul 24, 12:01=A0am, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 7/23/11 10:56 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I am not an Apple Novice so:
>
> > That piece of software is lethal. Be VERY careful when you decide to
> > install it.
> > It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
> > like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
> > It appears to be Adobe's stuff gets hit hardest.
>
> > It is also a RAM hog and should run on 2GB of RAM.
>
> > Worse of all, the only way to get it is from The App store and NO
> > refund once you find it sucks.
>
> > IF you're silly enough to install it, make sure you have a full back-
> > up through Time Machine and that you have a Snow Leopard DVD handy.
>
> > I am staying put at 10.6.8 and they can forget about any further
> > support from me.
>
> It's my SMO to wait until all the bugs are worked out of any system
> update and ALL my software is supported before I update. In the music
> world, so far, all I hear that is good about the new OS is the price. :-)
>
Well, it is 29.95 too much. I had to do a full restore from Time
Machine to get my Photoshop and Illustrator back.
Some speculate that Apple is in a war with Adobe about that Flash
controversy. I don't know if that is the case, but *I* do not wish to
be the guy stuck in the middle.
Also, for the short time I had Lion, it was soooo slooow.
Naaa.. Apple dropped the ball on this one.
"Angela Sekeris" <[email protected]> wrote
> The Lion upgrade appears to be Apple trying to homogenize the 'Look-
> and-Feel' of the iPhone, iPad and now the iMac and laptops.
I bought my wife a new iRon. She does not like the look and feel of it at
all. Not even the button for steam.
On Jul 24, 10:57=A0am, "m II" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Maybe it is time for the Mac to get some anti-virus software and come up =
to
> the 21st century.
OSX (up to 10.6.8) *IS* the 21st century, you useless troll!
>
> The Great Wall has been up too long.
WTF is that supposed to mean?
I guess they admit to being so far behind.
What happened to execute, memory accessand other system traps on this old
days so powerful processor? This is 80s stuff. Not that MS was using it
until XP, either.
---------------------
"Steve" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Read this, smarty-pants:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars/9#security
On 2011-07-24 10:57:11 -0400, "m II" <[email protected]> said:
> Maybe it is time for the Mac to get some anti-virus software and come up
> to the 21st century.
On Sun, 24 Jul 2011 15:24:45 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>In my experience, electrical cords are not something to be toyed with.
>Biting one killed my mom's new pup, and not instantly. Act as if you
>won't get a 2nd chance, as you may not. Good luck!
Had the same problem with a new kitten a few years back who could
squeeze behind wall cabinets that were almost flush against the wall.
The solution was to "paint" the volatile cords with a little Tobasco
sauce and string a few non-volatile, tastier electrical cords out in
the open.
On 7/24/2011 12:27 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote
>> How's that new pup doing?
>>
> Chewing on everything. Plays hard, sleeps, pisses, poops and just a
> handful. He doesn't understand why we get upset if he plays in the
> street or chews electrical cords. And he has declared our sheepskin
> slippers to be mortal enemies. He attacks those on sight. And he is
> always underfoot. We have to walk funny to avoid him. He is still a
> youngster. He will learn.
The walk is familiarly known the "New Puppy Shuffle" ... properly
executed it serves to not crush the puppies, or what comes out of them.
Completed the Arthur Murray course not all that long ago myself. ;)
Congratulations ... I know you guys are loving him. Pictures are always
welcome, BTW.
--
www.e-woodshop.net
Last update: 4/15/2010
KarlC@ (the obvious)
Robatoy wrote:
> I am not an Apple Novice so:
>
> That piece of software is lethal. Be VERY careful when you decide to
> install it.
> It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
> like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
> It appears to be Adobe's stuff gets hit hardest.
>
> It is also a RAM hog and should run on 2GB of RAM.
>
> Worse of all, the only way to get it is from The App store and NO
> refund once you find it sucks.
>
> IF you're silly enough to install it, make sure you have a full back-
> up through Time Machine and that you have a Snow Leopard DVD handy.
>
> I am staying put at 10.6.8 and they can forget about any further
> support from me.
Something must be wrong at your end. It is impossible for members of the
Apple community to believe that Apple would push ANYTHING that was less than
perfect.
Every time an Apple user upgrades, an angel gets its wings!
On 7/23/11 10:56 PM, Robatoy wrote:
> I am not an Apple Novice so:
>
> That piece of software is lethal. Be VERY careful when you decide to
> install it.
> It wipes out all software which was supported by Snow Leopard, stuff
> like Photoshop CS4, Illustrator CS4 etc.
> It appears to be Adobe's stuff gets hit hardest.
>
> It is also a RAM hog and should run on 2GB of RAM.
>
> Worse of all, the only way to get it is from The App store and NO
> refund once you find it sucks.
>
> IF you're silly enough to install it, make sure you have a full back-
> up through Time Machine and that you have a Snow Leopard DVD handy.
>
> I am staying put at 10.6.8 and they can forget about any further
> support from me.
It's my SMO to wait until all the bugs are worked out of any system
update and ALL my software is supported before I update. In the music
world, so far, all I hear that is good about the new OS is the price. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 7/24/11 8:04 AM, Angela Sekeris wrote:
> A lot of macs are used in printing, publishing, web creation, graphic
> arts and to a certain extent music production......
"...to a certain extent music production" ????
That like saying basketball players are thin, fast, and to a certain
extent tall.
C'mom, Angela!!! :-p
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote
>>
>> Either we're just old farts who don't like it when they move our
>> cheese, or the world is indeed going to hell in a hand basket. ;)
>>
>
> Us, old farts??? I prefer to think of myself as a mature curmudgeon.
>
> Or maybe we just think that computers are used to actually do some work.
> And software just reflect that fact.
>
>> How's that new pup doing?
>>
> Chewing on everything. Plays hard, sleeps, pisses, poops and just a
> handful. He doesn't understand why we get upset if he plays in the
> street or chews electrical cords.
In my experience, electrical cords are not something to be toyed with.
Biting one killed my mom's new pup, and not instantly. Act as if you
won't get a 2nd chance, as you may not. Good luck!
Bill
And he has declared our sheepskin
> slippers to be mortal enemies. He attacks those on sight. And he is
> always underfoot. We have to walk funny to avoid him. He is still a
> youngster. He will learn.
>
>
>