New House/Shop becoming a reality

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote
>> > On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
>> >> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
>> >> [email protected]:
>>
>> >>> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
>> >>> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
>> >>> manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
>> >>> vote will be its eventual kiss of death.
>>
>> >> Well said.
>>
>> > Basically, I've had it, Han ...
>>
>> > I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
>> > to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
>> > lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
>> > the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
>> > represent a country not long in standing.
>>
>> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
>> about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
>> sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
>> tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
>> Vietnam policies of that time.
>
> Let's be honest - truth is subjective. I don't care about where
> someone puts their penis, whether they have one, or even if they are
> one, as long as they can work with people and get the job done.
>
> As a project manager once said to the room full of us, "We have to get
> this stuff done and get the CO. Make the decisions, get it done,
> we'll give you your beatings later."
>
> R

Northing subjective about a lie. It is or it isn't.
But a liar is still scum and cannot be trusted. Han is talking about our
AG soon to be Senator. If he can lie about serving in Vietnam when he did
not, he can lie about other things. Do you want him making decisions that
affect your life and the rest of the country? Sorry, I'll never believe a
word he says and will never trust him.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>>>
>>> Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.
>>
>>2257 + approx 600 garage
>
> Perfectly insulated, I hope. Big!

Better than Energy Star rated.



>>
>>
>>Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never
>>wrnt
>>past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this
>>hose
>>was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had
>>to
>>pay about 6 months ago.
>
> Too bad about the old land. RE the new lot: steenkin' HOA, tract, and
> flat area probably all go together to reduce the value.

Actually this house is the same I was refering to but in a different and
IMHO better location. That along with slow new home sales, except in this
area apparently. The builder has been in this particular location since
late August. They have completed 4 spec homes and sold 2 of them, is
building and sold 2 made to order homes. Currently there 8 spec homes under
construction. They plan to build 50 or so homes to finish the community
IIRC.



>
>>> Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it?
>>> Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same.
>>
>>Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of
>>Sugar
>>Land and just south of Katy, Tx.
>
> Fort Stinkin' Desert! No, wait, that was Phoenix.
>
>
>>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
>>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
>>> are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!
>>
>>Actully this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25
>>years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new
>>house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane
>
> Surprising.

Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any from a
close hitting storm. Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurricane
Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. The storm ended up
hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little windy,
it was basically a non event.
I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
water. While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I went
through 3 major hurricanes. Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, the
other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blow in
Corpus Christi. I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and is
sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly when
the storms hit land.

>
> Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
> were it my new pride and joy. YMOV


You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
tornato hits the house. Typically most damage during a hurricane is not
caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is flying
arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest threat.
Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. Additionally hurricanes
in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps are
not going to do much good against those winds and or micro bursts. If I
lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.

Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
to work in is painful.

Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
for the projects there isn't any room in there.

I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. < For different
reasons!! ;^) >

Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!

Robert

On Nov 6, 10:15=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/5/2010 1:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the
> > foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum.
>
> Take a look at the pictures again and you should see that the sill
> plates are bolted to the foundation every 48" ...

They look closer than that, and I've never seen an aluminum structural
tie down of any sort. Galvanized is the de facto standard. I also
don't know what the "thick steel" means. The straps are what?, 1/16"
thick, unless you're talking seismic, and I don't think Leon has much
worry there.

This isn't a big deal, Larry, and I am not quite sure why you're
sticking to your guns, when your guns have little ammunition in this
instance, and it's essentially pissing on Leon's shoes. He has bigger
things to worry about, such as how can he annex the first floor of the
house to increase the size of his shop...before his wife gets the same
idea about her need to expand her activity area and annexes the
Sudetenland.

R

On Nov 5, 10:27=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>
> >>http://www.swhowto.com/
>
> > Included, =A0with 15 drops plus home security =A0;~)
>
> Actually should be going in today.

Excellent. So I guess we can expect the live video feed to be up and
running tomorrow. Of course that's necessary so we can keep track of
the project. Please ask the builder to put in a speaker on each floor
and a remotely controlled laser pointer so we can point out things to
the workers. If they can put in a high powered laser pointer, maybe
Robatoy or Mac could work some CNC magic so we could leave written
messages for the guys when they arrive in the morning. They shouldn't
mind the help, right? ;)

R

On Nov 6, 10:09=A0am, Han <[email protected]> wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote innews:XPWdnZf5xqOCxEjRnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@=
giganews.com:
>
>
>
> > On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
> >> Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
> >> [email protected]:
>
> >>> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
> >>> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
> >>> manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
> >>> vote will be its eventual kiss of death.
>
> >> Well said.
>
> > Basically, I've had it, Han ...
>
> > I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
> > to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
> > lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
> > the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
> > represent a country not long in standing.
>
> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
> about here. =A0I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
> sure how really bad his statements were. =A0Remember, I hesitated just a
> tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
> Vietnam policies of that time.
>
> I'm very worried about the demagoguery (spelling?) going on, on all
> sides. =A0Wish there was a regulation that would force vetting of
> truthfullness BEFORE broadcasting.

Let's be honest - truth is subjective. I don't care about where
someone puts their penis, whether they have one, or even if they are
one, as long as they can work with people and get the job done.

As a project manager once said to the room full of us, "We have to get
this stuff done and get the CO. Make the decisions, get it done,
we'll give you your beatings later."

R

On Nov 5, 10:00=A0pm, Larry Jaques <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:55:42 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
>
> >>>>>I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. =A0Yeah!
>
> >>>> Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? =A0Looks big.
>
> >>>2257 + approx 600 garage
>
> >> Perfectly insulated, I hope. =A0Big!
>
> >Better than Energy Star rated.
>
> Excellent.
>
> --snip--
>
> >Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
> >event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any fr=
om a
> >close hitting storm. =A0Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurri=
cane
> >Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. =A0The storm end=
ed up
> >hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little wind=
y,
> >it was basically a non event.
>
> That's good...for you, but not the inline folks.
>
> >I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
> >water. =A0While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I =
went
> >through 3 major hurricanes. =A0Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, =
the
> >other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blo=
w in
> >Corpus Christi. =A0I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and =
is
> >sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly =
when
> >the storms hit land.
>
> Yeah, I forgot about that. =A0It's just a few miles which take the wind
> out of a hurricane's sails, isn't it?
>
> >> Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
> >> were it my new pride and joy. =A0YMOV
>
> >You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
> >tornato hits the house. =A0Typically most damage during a hurricane is n=
ot
> >caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is fl=
ying
> >arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest thre=
at.
> >Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. =A0Additionally hurr=
icanes
> >in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps ar=
e
> >not going to do much good =A0against those winds and or micro bursts. =
=A0If I
> >lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.
>
> Gotcha. =A0Hey, structured wiring is a great tradeoff if you're not in a
> windy corridor. =A0Enjoy it!

<load Rant Master diatribe engine>
There are innumerable old houses that have withstood hurricanes just
fine, thank you very much, before the advent of the "new and improved
(now less nutritious!) code". You're buying into the insurance
lobby's efforts and scare-mongering in general. Leon had it right.
You get hit by a tornado or a serious flood, and, no matter how well
you built it, well...it was a nice house, wasn't it?

A hurricane is no great shakes unless the house was substandard and
shoddily built, which was exactly the situation with a lot of those
Florida homes that got blown up. Stapled shingles (with a lot of
missing fasteners), unbraced gable walls, and just shit construction
in general.

The insurance industry saw an opportunity to tighten their belt (which
means the noose around the homeowner's neck) and pushed to have the
code "fixed" to prevent them paying out...errr...the homeowner
sustaining a loss. Now there's this ridiculous impact code thing for
windows in areas that are hardly at risk. I'm in NY, and I've
experienced a few hurricanes, and many high winds. The old houses,
without all of the metal strapping and bullshit window code stuff,
aren't flying apart. Biggest problem are trees hitting the house.
I'm surprised that the insurance industry and the scare-mongers
haven't outlawed trees within 100' of a house!

When the big wind does come, the insurance companies are looking for
ways to not pay. They're building in new and improved ways to not
pay. You opted for the $250 window instead of the $1500 impact one?
Sorry, no dough for you! When you start adding up the cost of all of
that bullshit, and the real risk of your particular home getting
blasted, it's a better move to not carry the insurance and assume the
negligible risk yourself.

Unfortunately, since they were able to get all of this nonsense
incorporated into the code, you don't have a choice if you're pulling
a permit and getting inspections. You pay _and_ you lose! How
convenient. Must be nice to drum up business by selling stuff that
isn't needed by scaring the shit out of people and buying off code
officials with dinners, vacations and hookers.
</rant>

R

On 11/4/2010 9:50 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 4, 10:05 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny<[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques<
>>
>>>>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
>>>>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
>>>>> are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!
>>
>>>> The sheetrock will hold everything together!
>>
>>> OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me.
>>
>>> Texas must not follow international code.
>>
>> It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap.
>>
>> You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly
>> designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance
>> which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area,
>> but not so much in earthquake zones.
>
> I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so
> therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. I think it'

SHEEEEESSSH! No where did I say, or imply, that drywall was sufficient
for a properly designed shear wall and that you should "trust" it in
that application.

To intimate that is ridiculous.

What I said is that drywall can be an element in the cumulative shear
resistance of a shear wall.

Of that there is NO question.

Jeezusss ...

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:55:42 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>>>>
>>>> Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.
>>>
>>>2257 + approx 600 garage
>>
>> Perfectly insulated, I hope. Big!
>
>Better than Energy Star rated.

Excellent.


--snip--
>Houston is in a very unique location along the gulf coast, It is a rare
>event to have a hurricane strike directly and or get much wind if any from a
>close hitting storm. Five years ago about a month after Katrina hurricane
>Rita was aimed for Houston and there was a mass exodus. The storm ended up
>hitting about 60-80 miles to our east and IIRC it only got a little windy,
>it was basically a non event.

That's good...for you, but not the inline folks.


>I grew up in Corpus Christi, about 200 miles south and literally on the
>water. While I lived there and during the period from 1962 to 1971 I went
>through 3 major hurricanes. Only 1 of those storms was a direct hit, the
>other two were at least 100 miles away and those storms delt a major blow in
>Corpus Christi. I think because Houston is inland about 60 miles and is
>sort of in a bend along the coast line the winds deminish quite rapidly when
>the storms hit land.

Yeah, I forgot about that. It's just a few miles which take the wind
out of a hurricane's sails, isn't it?


>> Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
>> were it my new pride and joy. YMOV
>
>You have to draw the line some where and those things don't help when a
>tornato hits the house. Typically most damage during a hurricane is not
>caused directly by the hurricane winds rather from the debris that is flying
>arouned and as swingman will attest to, rising water is the biggest threat.
>Again hurricane straps don't help in that instance. Additionally hurricanes
>in this region typically spawn multiple tornatos and again the straps are
>not going to do much good against those winds and or micro bursts. If I
>lived closer to he water, I would opt for the straps.

Gotcha. Hey, structured wiring is a great tradeoff if you're not in a
windy corridor. Enjoy it!

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

On Nov 6, 12:45=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I'm not looking for a saint to hold office, I'm looking for someone to
> be effective and not tear stuff down instead of building it up. =A0My
> parents used to lie to me all of the time.

Mine did not. "Shut up, we will get there when we get there."
>
> We are in such a situation. =A0We need to be told the truth about the
> economy, the deficit, etc., but we don't need to be told the truth
> about who's banging who, who was the greater war hero, or any of
> that. =A0It's not applicable.

Int=E9grit=E9, mon fr=E8re. A liar will lie. Allways. =A0
>
> I don't particularly care if your Senator-to-be got caught drunk
> driving (as long as he didn't kill someone), banged an intern, is a
> closeted gay, or any other such nonsense.

That is one fucked-up way to look at a leader. My biggest beef with
anybody always centres about integrity. I paid millions for mine. My
word is one thing I will die for. If I don't have that, I have
nothing.
To have anything less than that as my leader?

NOT an option.

On Nov 4, 10:59=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 9:50 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> > On Nov 4, 10:05 am, Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote:
> >> On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> >>> Texas must not follow international code.
>
> >> It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap.
>
> >> You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a proper=
ly
> >> designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistan=
ce
> >> which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone are=
a,
> >> but not so much in earthquake zones.
>
> > I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so
> > therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. =A0I think it'
>
> SHEEEEESSSH! No where did I say, or imply, that drywall was sufficient
> for a properly designed shear wall and that you should "trust" it in
> that application.
>
> To intimate that is ridiculous.
>
> What I said is that drywall can be an element in the cumulative shear
> resistance of a shear wall.
>
> Of that there is NO question.
>
> Jeezusss ...

Did you take an extra sensitivity pill this morning? I made no
comment on your beliefs, I did not read any implications into your
comments, nor did I infer any. I merely gave my professional opinion
on gypsum as a shear wall component. I realize Leon is your BFF, but
you probably shouldn't go looking for battles where there aren't any.

R

Doug Winterburn wrote:

>
> The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
> from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
> residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit
> also is in reference to residential use.

That's precisely the problem with terms like this - they take on new
meanings over time. And... old farts (you calling me an old fart?....) tend
to not always notice the evolution.

>
> I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and
> is unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
> bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
> the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

And of course - your point serves well to point out that you're interested
in different applications than I even considered. My bad.

>
> I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring"
> including multiple catX and RG6/U.

I'd really have to think through what kind of wiring I wanted in a new house
today. I've got so much unused wiring in my house (stuff that has been
displaced by technology), that I'd have to fight the battle of coming up to
speed. Hats off to guys like you who are staying current on things.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Swingman wrote:
> On 11/5/2010 4:54 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to
>> spend the night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on
>> spending a night. Then there would be the night at Swingman's house,
>> then you can visit your sister, in that order. ;~)
>
> Let's get Marlowe in there too ... he wants to come down when it's
> warmer than in NY, but not hot, which means Feb or March ...
>
> ... otherwise known as GUMBO weather!

Hey - there's no "e" in Marlow. Other than that - spot-on.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Nov 6, 12:45=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Depends on the lie, doesn't it? =A0

No it does not.

Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>>>
>>> http://www.swhowto.com/
>>>
>>
>> Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on
>> his web site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time,
>> and it's more about standardizing color assignments, than it is
>> about simply combining all the wiring in your house and treating it
>> as one wiring system. In fact, that definition could be said to
>> stand in conflict with the principles of a structured wiring scheme.
>> That said - he's got some good ideas and his intent is well based.
>>
>> I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
>> internet stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a
>> split 60 in the basement, and while it was reasonably professional
>> when it was installed, it's almost useless now, since we've gone so
>> much to wireless phones. Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed
>> for the computers. I think I might have 2 jacks in use today. Oh
>> well - it was good at the time, but there are better ways today.
>>
>> Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
>> disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color
>> assignments, etc. that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down
>> the road, and will pay off with lessend issues of signal loss,
>> crosstalk, etc. So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course,
>> I can't
>> let that stand in the way of a little disagreement...
>>
>>
> I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
> into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
> Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
> attempt to future-proof a building.
>
> CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as
> hdmi over cat5.
>
> http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/
>

Structured wiring is about much more than home wiring. The term has been
migrated over to home wiring so I'll give you that your point is valid
within a context, but that's not what structured wiring is. Any further
argument over it would be not worth the effort though, so we don't need to.
I don't suggest that there is no need for CAT-XX, just pointed out that
already, recent technologies are quickly being displaced.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Doug Winterburn wrote:

>
>
> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>
> http://www.swhowto.com/
>

Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on his web
site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time, and it's more
about standardizing color assignments, than it is about simply combining all
the wiring in your house and treating it as one wiring system. In fact,
that definition could be said to stand in conflict with the principles of a
structured wiring scheme. That said - he's got some good ideas and his
intent is well based.

I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a split 60 in the
basement, and while it was reasonably professional when it was installed,
it's almost useless now, since we've gone so much to wireless phones.
Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed for the computers. I think I might
have 2 jacks in use today. Oh well - it was good at the time, but there are
better ways today.

Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color assignments, etc.
that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down the road, and will pay
off with lessend issues of signal loss, crosstalk, etc.

So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course, I can't let that
stand in the way of a little disagreement...


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-Mike-
[email protected]

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques <
>>>
>>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
>>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
>>> are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!
>>
>>The sheetrock will hold everything together!
>
> OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me.
>
> Texas must not follow international code.



I think after checking the flood plane, I checked on the sheet rock
manufacturer. ;~)

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> IIRC they were all in the sewing studio......planing where to locate the
> quilting equipment. The up stairs has a game room/ sewing studio, full
> bath, and one bed room with w/i closet. She is talking about putting a
> small refrigerator up there. I may never see her.
Well, you have heard of man caves, right. This is a woman cave. Or
perhaps, more accurately, a quilting cave.

That is the way that it is at my house. If I can't find Dawn, she is in her
quilting room. You have to squeeze into the room because there is a big
cabinet full or fabric right inside of the door. There are shelves down one
side with boxes of fabric that go to the ceiling. With numerous other
crates, boxes, cabinets, etc with even more fabric in the room. This does
not count the three sewing machines, a serger, a fancy table with adapters
for all the sewing machines and various thread racks.

To stay in the room cause an increase in estrogen. She listens to her music
in there.

I know of what you speak. I, too, am married to a quilter.

RE: Subject

Leon, you have your space allocations all screwed up.

2,200+ sq ft = living space
600+ sq ft = shop space

Your priorities are definitely bass ackwards<G>.

Lew

"Leon" wrote:


> Totally agree! ;~) Knock out the center of the garage back wall
> and and another wall behind that and gain an area 12' x 26'
--------------------------------
Why wait, or is this a negotiation ploy?<G>

Lew

On 11/03/2010 09:41 AM, Leon wrote:
> Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to
> our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work
> for KPMG.
>
> Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.
>
> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
> erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no
> brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively
> we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.
>
> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>

Suggestion: structured wiring.

http://www.swhowto.com/

- Doug

On 11/05/2010 10:22 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 11/5/10 11:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
>> internet
>> stuff.
>>
>
> I agree. Even audio and video are going wifi. I don't know how the
> hi-def stuff looks in wifi... it's probably not up to snuff, yet. But we
> watch movies on our Wii, through Netflix and they come into the house
> via internet which is supplied by the cable company though the cable.
> Once it hits the router, it's going wifi to the Wii and the audio and
> video on the internet streamed movies often looks and sounds better than
> the digital comcast cable programs.
>
>
Well, having struggled with HD 1080 over wireless 802.11n with no joy
(stuttering/jerky picture/sound), and then draping a 50' cat5e cable
from the router to the DirecTV with perfect results, I can't say
wireless is ready for HDTV. I'm using TVersity and Mediatomb on a
Windows and linux PC respectively. Both PC's are dual core 3.2GHzand do
fine streaming over 100Mb wire.

On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>>
>> http://www.swhowto.com/
>>
>
> Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on his web
> site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time, and it's more
> about standardizing color assignments, than it is about simply combining all
> the wiring in your house and treating it as one wiring system. In fact,
> that definition could be said to stand in conflict with the principles of a
> structured wiring scheme. That said - he's got some good ideas and his
> intent is well based.
>
> I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
> stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a split 60 in the
> basement, and while it was reasonably professional when it was installed,
> it's almost useless now, since we've gone so much to wireless phones.
> Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed for the computers. I think I might
> have 2 jacks in use today. Oh well - it was good at the time, but there are
> better ways today.
>
> Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
> disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color assignments, etc.
> that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down the road, and will pay
> off with lessend issues of signal loss, crosstalk, etc.
>
> So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course, I can't let that
> stand in the way of a little disagreement...
>
>
I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
attempt to future-proof a building.

CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as hdmi
over cat5.

http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/

- Doug

On 11/05/2010 12:36 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>> On 11/05/2010 09:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>>> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.swhowto.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>> Structured wiring has a different definition than what he states on
>>> his web site Doug. Structured wiring has been around a long time,
>>> and it's more about standardizing color assignments, than it is
>>> about simply combining all the wiring in your house and treating it
>>> as one wiring system. In fact, that definition could be said to
>>> stand in conflict with the principles of a structured wiring scheme.
>>> That said - he's got some good ideas and his intent is well based.
>>>
>>> I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for
>>> internet stuff. I have structured phone wiring in my house with a
>>> split 60 in the basement, and while it was reasonably professional
>>> when it was installed, it's almost useless now, since we've gone so
>>> much to wireless phones. Likewise with all the CAT-5E I installed
>>> for the computers. I think I might have 2 jacks in use today. Oh
>>> well - it was good at the time, but there are better ways today.
>>>
>>> Structured wiring will benefit everyone though in that it enforces
>>> disciplines that pay off. Concepts like home runs, color
>>> assignments, etc. that will facilitate troubleshooting later on down
>>> the road, and will pay off with lessend issues of signal loss,
>>> crosstalk, etc. So - I fundamentally agree with your post, but of course,
>>> I can't
>>> let that stand in the way of a little disagreement...
>>>
>>>
>> I disagree. Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
>> into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
>> Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. It is also an
>> attempt to future-proof a building.
>>
>> CAT5/CAT6 can be used for many things other than ethernet - such as
>> hdmi over cat5.
>>
>> http://www.structuredhomewiring.com/
>>
>
> Structured wiring is about much more than home wiring. The term has been
> migrated over to home wiring so I'll give you that your point is valid
> within a context, but that's not what structured wiring is. Any further
> argument over it would be not worth the effort though, so we don't need to.
> I don't suggest that there is no need for CAT-XX, just pointed out that
> already, recent technologies are quickly being displaced.
>
The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit also
is in reference to residential use.

I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and is
unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring" including
multiple catX and RG6/U.

On 11/05/2010 01:51 PM, Josepi wrote:
> The Cat5 and CAT6 cables and WiFi are part of the Ethernet hardware (layer
> 1) spec. Your HDMI "streams" over Ethernet. Slight misuse of terms.

I didn't say HDMI streams over ethernet, but that you can do hdmi over
cat5/cat6 cable. You obviously wouldn't be using the cable for ethernet
at the same time.

On 11/05/2010 05:30 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> In article<[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> Interesting. Television stations manage to stream 1080 HDTV over a 6
> MHz channel. 802.11G provides several times that.
>


Yes it is interesting, but what "works" works and what doesn't doesn't.

802.11n doesn't cut it at 30' line of sight either for HDTV (1080).

Works OK for SD (480i), but not 1080p.

That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get cat5e from my router
through the vaulted cielings and fire block on the interior walls. If I
could on find a skinny little guy to crawl around in the attic...

- Doug

On 11/06/2010 10:44 AM, Josepi wrote:
> I have noticed that. I am on cable and have noticed their box won't put out
> the 1080p. It is of no consequence to the modern HD sets anyway 'cause they
> display it **their** style from their memory and the same amount of
> resolution is there, just not as fast a flicker and it cannot be seen by
> humans anyway.
>
> Are the satelitte dish services the same limitation of 1080i?
>
> When the f&*k are the Canuck satelite conglomerates going to stop locking
> out Dishnet and DirectTV? They have had their "protection years" for the
> last 15 or 20? Trouble is if the ever allow DirectTV in Canuckistan Bell
> will go bankrupt in months. Compatible dishes, switches, receivers (FTA
> somewhat) and regulated volume controls and channels without commercials.
> **SIGH** Now the bastards are allowing Dave and Dishnet to advertise on our
> Canuckistan TV sets (sorry..."media display systems")...it's like they are
> laughing at us! So much for Canadian content rules when Canuck dish
> companies need the advertising bucks.
>
> GRRRRRRRR...
> /rant off/
>
>
>
>
> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> FWIW, 1080p is not a broadcast standard. Broadcast is 1080i.
>
>
>
>
DirecTV does some PPV in 1080p.

On 11/06/2010 08:27 PM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Doug Winterburn wrote:
>
>>
>> The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
>> from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
>> residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit
>> also is in reference to residential use.
>
> That's precisely the problem with terms like this - they take on new
> meanings over time. And... old farts (you calling me an old fart?....) tend
> to not always notice the evolution.
>

I'm partially fossilized myself...

>>
>> I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and
>> is unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
>> bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
>> the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.
>
> And of course - your point serves well to point out that you're interested
> in different applications than I even considered. My bad.
>

As Rosanna Rosanadana said - "It's always sumthin".

>>
>> I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring"
>> including multiple catX and RG6/U.
>
> I'd really have to think through what kind of wiring I wanted in a new house
> today. I've got so much unused wiring in my house (stuff that has been
> displaced by technology), that I'd have to fight the battle of coming up to
> speed. Hats off to guys like you who are staying current on things.
>

It's not so much staying current as reflecting back on all the times
I've thought "I wish I'd thought to..."

For example if I were building today, in addition to all the star
topology of distribution feeds including security wiring, I would add:

power at the CWP (central wiring panel) for all the modems/routers/etc.

RG6/U and catX from the CWP to the phone/cable demarc (some folks want
at least fax capability even if they use cordless).

4 RG6/U from the CWP to a southern roof location for satellite.

RG6/U and power and maybe catx to any potential security cam locations.

Not too mention the post that suggested plastic conduit to aid in any
future changes/upgrades.

And after doing all that, something would come along to make me say
"damn, I should have...".

"Swingman" wrote
>
> My prediction ... COO could easily be five weeks from today.
>
Are you taking bets??

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. That word, prediction, sets me off
sometimes.

<G>

On Nov 5, 3:54=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thank you Robert! =A0Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend=
the
> night, =A0so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
> Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit you=
r
> sister, in that order. =A0;~)

Thanks, Leon!

I got a real chuckle out of that. If I spent a day/night with you,
then Karl, I would probably be in such a good mood that I would just
come on back home. Just tell ol' Sis I had a flat...

Just kidding... kinda...

When are you expecting the house to be finished (real time, not
contractor projections) ?

Robert

On Nov 3, 12:41=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home=
to
> our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to wo=
rk
> for KPMG.
>
> Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.
>
> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
> erected. =A0Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill =
be no
> brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. =A0Tentati=
vely
> we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.
>
> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. =A0Yeah!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/pho...

Most excellent, Leon. Place is looking sharp. I'll be very
interested in seeing how you lay out your three shop car...excuse
me...three car shop. ;)

R

On Nov 6, 10:57=A0am, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>
> >> > On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
> >> >> Swingman<[email protected]> =A0wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ=
_u-
> >> >> [email protected]:
>
> >> >>> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congres=
s
> >> >>> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
> >> >>> manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
> >> >>> vote will be its eventual kiss of death.
>
> >> >> Well said.
>
> >> > Basically, I've had it, Han ...
>
> >> > I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly se=
nd
> >> > to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base=
,
> >> > lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public=
,
> >> > the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
> >> > represent a country not long in standing.
>
> >> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talk=
ing
> >> about here. =A0I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm n=
ot
> >> sure how really bad his statements were. =A0Remember, I hesitated just=
a
> >> tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
> >> Vietnam policies of that time.
>
> > Let's be honest - truth is subjective. =A0I don't care about where
> > someone puts their penis, whether they have one, or even if they are
> > one, as long as they can work with people and get the job done.
>
> > As a project manager once said to the room full of us, "We have to get
> > this stuff done and get the CO. =A0Make the decisions, get it done,
> > we'll give you your beatings later."
>
>
> Northing subjective about a lie. =A0It is or it isn't.

Depends on the lie, doesn't it? Bill Clinton's "I did not have sex
with that woman" was, strictly speaking, not a lie. Everybody in the
world would consider a BJ to be sex, but that's not the definition.
That's what I meant. If people believe what they say, even if it
turns out to be wrong, is that a lie? If you interpret something one
way, and someone else interprets it another, where's the lie?

> But a liar is still scum and cannot be trusted. =A0 Han is talking about =
our
> AG soon to be Senator. If he can lie about serving in Vietnam when he did
> not, he can lie about other things. =A0Do you want him making decisions t=
hat
> affect your life and the rest of the country? =A0Sorry, I'll never believ=
e a
> word he says and will never trust him.

Of course that is your prerogative, and I understand completely,
though I do not know the details of the guy you're talking about. But
I do not think we are in a situation where we must eliminate all liars
from holding public office, or any job for that matter. The potential
pool would be mighty slim indeed.

I'm not looking for a saint to hold office, I'm looking for someone to
be effective and not tear stuff down instead of building it up. My
parents used to lie to me all of the time. "Are we there yet?!"
"Almost. Just a little while longer." In some situations, in
hindsight, that was certainly a lie, but it got me to shut up and was
for the greater good. I don't hold that against them.

We are in such a situation. We need to be told the truth about the
economy, the deficit, etc., but we don't need to be told the truth
about who's banging who, who was the greater war hero, or any of
that. It's not applicable. It's irrelevant and distracting, and that
is what this country seems to be focusing on - being distracted so we
don't have to face the big issues.

I don't particularly care if your Senator-to-be got caught drunk
driving (as long as he didn't kill someone), banged an intern, is a
closeted gay, or any other such nonsense. If the guy is an a-hole who
is an obstructionist and will vote along party lines regardless of
what the majority of his constituents want, well, I would consider
bringing back tar and feathering.

We need to move on from the nonsense.

R

Weird how that works and yet I can stream 1080p over 100Mbit at about 5% of
bandwidth. Wi-fi still had to many hiccups.

ANother note about HD multimedia. It doesn't use any power of the GPU. The
GPU is only for gaming as it doesn't understand any of the compression. All
in the CPU. Mine (1080p) plays with a 2.5GHz x3 processor and no supersonic
video card. Only the MoBo video that came onboard and shares memory,
too...hahaha. eat you heart out, computer sales people.


"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Well, having struggled with HD 1080 over wireless 802.11n with no joy
(stuttering/jerky picture/sound), and then draping a 50' cat5e cable
from the router to the DirecTV with perfect results, I can't say
wireless is ready for HDTV. I'm using TVersity and Mediatomb on a
Windows and linux PC respectively. Both PC's are dual core 3.2GHzand do
fine streaming over 100Mb wire.

On Nov 6, 1:30=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 12:45=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm not looking for a saint to hold office, I'm looking for someone to
> > be effective and not tear stuff down instead of building it up. =A0My
> > parents used to lie to me all of the time.
>
> Mine did not. "Shut up, we will get there when we get there."
>
>
>
> > We are in such a situation. =A0We need to be told the truth about the
> > economy, the deficit, etc., but we don't need to be told the truth
> > about who's banging who, who was the greater war hero, or any of
> > that. =A0It's not applicable.
>
> Int=E9grit=E9, mon fr=E8re. A liar will lie. Allways. =A0
>
>
>
> > I don't particularly care if your Senator-to-be got caught drunk
> > driving (as long as he didn't kill someone), banged an intern, is a
> > closeted gay, or any other such nonsense.
>
> That is one fucked-up way to look at a leader. My biggest beef with
> anybody always centres about integrity. I paid millions for mine. My
> word is one thing I will die for. If I don't have that, I have
> nothing.
> To have anything less than that as my leader?
>
> NOT an option.

You care about the sexual orientation of someone that you're not
banging? Why?

You do realize that ambition and sexual appetite are intertwined,
right?

You already have people that are running your country that are banging
people that are not their sanctified spouses. You have people running
your country that are homosexual and have lied. What do you see as
your options?

R

On Nov 5, 7:18=A0pm, "chaniarts" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> i think you'll find that people from the north who visit the south during
> the winter tend to stay around. i always ask northeners to visit during
> july/aug.
>
> regards,
> charlie
> phx, az

My brother went down to Phoenix in the summer twelve years ago and
he's still there. He might be your neighbor. Do you have a neighbor
with numerous trucks, cars, motorcycles, four dogs and he's always
working on something - usually loudly? That's him.

R

On Nov 4, 9:26=A0am, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> >> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. =A0Yeah!
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/pho..=
.
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/pho..=
.
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/pho..=
.
>
> > Nice ! ! !
>
> Thanks...
>
> > Lots of square foots of shingles on that roof!
>
> yeah,,,, and fortunately the builder started using a 30 year shingle vs a=
20
> year shingle on my home. =A0But our old home had an aluminum life time
> roof...I hate to leave that behind.

They're doing a few steel roofs around here....plug-ugly, me thinks. I
have seen some interesting tile roof steel lookalikes at home shows,
but those are stupid money. Again, so much of a roofing job is in the
installation...IOW, I'd take a properly installed 20-year- over a
shoddily slapped on 30 year shingle any day. That nice wide overhang
of yours ought to keep that blazing burning bastard away from your
windows in summer time.

On Nov 4, 10:50=A0am, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 4, 10:05=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > > On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny<[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > >> On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques<
>
> > >>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. =
=A0I
> > >>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. =A0Your tubas=
ixes
> > >>> are casually toenailed to the sill. =A0Scary. =A0Tie that puppy dow=
n, boy!
>
> > >> The sheetrock will hold everything together!
>
> > > OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. =A0Pardon me.
>
> > > Texas must not follow international code.
>
> > It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap.
>
> > You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properl=
y
> > designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistanc=
e
> > which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area=
,
> > but not so much in earthquake zones.
>
> I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so
> therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. =A0I think it's
> particularly bad for cyclic loading, like you said, in seismic zones.
> Gypsum shear walls for residential construction have largely gone the
> way of the dodo with the "new and improved" building code. =A0Using
> gypsum for the shear wall would cause a typical plan examiner to
> immediately break out the red stamp unless there were specific
> structural notations/calculations from an engineer.
>
fixed it for you.

On Nov 3, 12:41=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home=
to
> our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to wo=
rk
> for KPMG.
>
> Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.
>
> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
> erected. =A0Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill =
be no
> brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. =A0Tentati=
vely
> we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.
>
> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. =A0Yeah!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/pho...

Building your own is always a trip. Looks like a nice quiet area for a
CNC. <G>

Congrats!

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
> much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
> space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
> few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
> to work in is painful.
>
> Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
> for the projects there isn't any room in there.
>
> I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. < For different
> reasons!! ;^) >
>
> Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
> doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!
>
> Robert


Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
sister, in that order. ;~)

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques <
>>
>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls.  I
>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area.  Your tubasixes
>> are casually toenailed to the sill.  Scary.  Tie that puppy down, boy!
>
>The sheetrock will hold everything together!

OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me.

Texas must not follow international code.

--
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim

On Nov 6, 5:47=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
=A0
>
> Ah, I see. =A0You have never in your life lied. =A0Got it. =A0Tell me, wa=
s
> it painful pulling the nails out of your feet and palms?
>

Where did I make such a claim?
You like making up shit, eh?
My mistake, I keep forgetting you're a troll.

On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques<
>>>
>>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
>>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
>>> are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!
>>
>> The sheetrock will hold everything together!
>
> OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. Pardon me.
>
> Texas must not follow international code.

It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap.

You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly
designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance
which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area,
but not so much in earthquake zones.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

Very nice. Up 'til now, we were actually not convinced you knew how
to use a hammer.

Anyone would look forward to retiring into a nice shop, er...., home
as that. Gonna move in before New Years?

^5

I viewed a few more pics. I noticed those 3 inspectors
(ladies)! ..... Keeping you on your toes, I suspect.

Sonny

chaniarts wrote:
> Swingman wrote:
>> On 11/5/2010 4:54 PM, Leon wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to
>>> spend the night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on
>>> spending a night. Then there would be the night at Swingman's house,
>>> then you can visit your sister, in that order. ;~)
>>
>> Let's get Marlowe in there too ... he wants to come down when it's
>> warmer than in NY, but not hot, which means Feb or March ...
>>
>> ... otherwise known as GUMBO weather!
>
> i think you'll find that people from the north who visit the south
> during the winter tend to stay around. i always ask northeners to
> visit during july/aug.
>

Hey!...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On Thu, 4 Nov 2010 08:23:26 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>
>>>I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>>
>> Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.
>
>2257 + approx 600 garage

Perfectly insulated, I hope. Big!


>> Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032
>
>?



>> What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for
>> stressing the concrete? IMG_0735
>
>Insulated cable for stressing the slab. About 60 of them, they run down
>inside the footings also.

Interesting.


>> Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock?
>> (build one?)
>
>
>Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never wrnt
>past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this hose
>was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had to
>pay about 6 months ago.

Too bad about the old land. RE the new lot: steenkin' HOA, tract, and
flat area probably all go together to reduce the value.


>> Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from
>> that map.
>
>That is the first thing I look for, we are not even in the 500 year flood

Good.


>plane. Our current house is, we had flood insurance for about 25 years in
>our old house and Omaha sold out to Fidelity for flood insurance. Fedelity
>did not observe the law and canceled our insurance and demanded we pay
>$3,600 per year for flood insurance, we had been paying $230. I dropped the
>insurance for a few years, got an elevation survey and now pay $700 per
>year. We should have been grandfathered-in and my attourney said we can
>fight and will win but it is going to cost you much more.

Too bad it isn't 150 years ago and you could settle it out of court
with one .56 Spenser round, huh?


>> Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it?
>> Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same.
>
>Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of Sugar
>Land and just south of Katy, Tx.

Fort Stinkin' Desert! No, wait, that was Phoenix.


>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
>> are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!
>
>Actully this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25
>years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new
>house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane

Surprising.


>at the coast, 60 miles inland the winds are much less. We have much more of
>a threat from flooding and oddly enough tornados al thoufh not the big ones.
>Old house is marginally closer tot he gulf and had faired well during the
>hurricanes that it has gone through. If I were much closer to the coast I
>would be much more concerned.

Good, but I'd have spent the extra few hundred to tie that puppy down
were it my new pride and joy. YMOV

--
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim

On Nov 5, 3:15=A0pm, Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I disagree. =A0Structured wiring is all about combining all non AC power
> into a central wiring panel and distribution using a star topology.
> Naturally, observing color code standards is a given. =A0It is also an
> attempt to future-proof a building.

The way I future-proof it is to run conduit so it's easy to pull new
and improved wires. Wireless is convenient, easy, slower and less
secure. There is no clear winner at this point.

R

On Fri, 5 Nov 2010 16:54:04 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:106f2f71-da38-408d-950c-eb7a941d0a75@r31g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>> Good going Leon! I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
>> much room to work whenever I wanted. Years ago I had a large rented
>> space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
>> few years. Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
>> to work in is painful.
>>
>> Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
>> for the projects there isn't any room in there.
>>
>> I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. < For different
>> reasons!! ;^) >
>>
>> Congrats on everything. The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
>> doing a find job raising good kids. That goes for Kim, too!
>>
>> Robert
>
>
>Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
>night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
>Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
>sister, in that order. ;~)

I just realized why you need the extra large home: You built your own
bedroom castle...I mean "set".


--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

"-MIKE-" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Leon wrote:
>> Actually my current
>> nieghbors like the fact that I work out of my garage. They know that I
>> am
>> keeping an eye on the "goings ons" in the neighborhood while they are
>> away
>> at work, and I generally don't work at night.
>>
>
> Mine, too, for that same reason.
> Neighbor two doors down works at home, too.
>
> Congrats on the new place.
>


Thank you

On 11/3/2010 6:33 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls.

Trying to rain on someone's parade again, C-less?

Obviously hurricane strapping is not installed until after all the
framing elements are in.

Do you know what a "shear wall" is?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5133128337/in/photostream/lightbox/

You see that thermo-ply sheathing> It is one of the main elements of a
"shear wall" in a frame construction.

In the photo, you can also see, from the top sill plate of the first
floor exterior wall, that the next course of plywood sheathing will
overlap the first and second floor exterior walls, which is also a shear
wall requirement in most locales in this area.

(I would have actually used a "running bond" overlap, instead of butt
join, of the sheathing in this area to give it added shear resistance,
but as long as it is properly nailed it should pass local shear wall
inspection requirements, as is ... once the sheathing is complete, of
course).

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

On 11/6/2010 10:04 AM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 11/6/2010 9:09 AM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are
>>> talking about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing,
>>> but I'm not sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I
>>> hesitated just a tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I
>>> didn't agree with the Vietnam policies of that time.
>>
>> Not the point, Han ... makes no difference which period of history,
>> that those who will condescend to outright lie to your face don't make
>> good representatives is inarguable, to knowingly ignore that fact is
>> despicable.
>
> Yep, but this McMahon was a worse choice IMO. Glad I didn't have to make
> the choice ...

Simply proves my original point ... an informed electorate, with skin in
the game other than lip service to a "sacred cow" concept, would have
not been put in that position.

Throughout human history it has been these 'sacred cows' that have
wreaked havoc on man's attempt to govern himself.

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KarlC@ (the obvious)

"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>
> Nice ! ! !

Thanks...

> Lots of square foots of shingles on that roof!


yeah,,,, and fortunately the builder started using a 30 year shingle vs a 20
year shingle on my home. But our old home had an aluminum life time
roof...I hate to leave that behind.

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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On Nov 6, 10:15 am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/5/2010 1:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
Snip

He has bigger
things to worry about, such as how can he annex the first floor of the
house to increase the size of his shop...before his wife gets the same
idea about her need to expand her activity area and annexes the
Sudetenland.



Daummmmmmm thanks for giving me some ideas. LOL

On 11/5/2010 9:22 PM, RicodJour wrote:

> <load Rant Master diatribe engine>
> There are innumerable old houses that have withstood hurricanes just
> fine, thank you very much, before the advent of the "new and improved
> (now less nutritious!) code". You're buying into the insurance
> lobby's efforts and scare-mongering in general. Leon had it right.
> You get hit by a tornado or a serious flood, and, no matter how well
> you built it, well...it was a nice house, wasn't it?
>
> A hurricane is no great shakes unless the house was substandard and
> shoddily built, which was exactly the situation with a lot of those
> Florida homes that got blown up. Stapled shingles (with a lot of
> missing fasteners), unbraced gable walls, and just shit construction
> in general.
>
> The insurance industry saw an opportunity to tighten their belt (which
> means the noose around the homeowner's neck) and pushed to have the
> code "fixed" to prevent them paying out...errr...the homeowner
> sustaining a loss. Now there's this ridiculous impact code thing for
> windows in areas that are hardly at risk. I'm in NY, and I've
> experienced a few hurricanes, and many high winds. The old houses,
> without all of the metal strapping and bullshit window code stuff,
> aren't flying apart. Biggest problem are trees hitting the house.
> I'm surprised that the insurance industry and the scare-mongers
> haven't outlawed trees within 100' of a house!
>
> When the big wind does come, the insurance companies are looking for
> ways to not pay. They're building in new and improved ways to not
> pay. You opted for the $250 window instead of the $1500 impact one?
> Sorry, no dough for you! When you start adding up the cost of all of
> that bullshit, and the real risk of your particular home getting
> blasted, it's a better move to not carry the insurance and assume the
> negligible risk yourself.
>
> Unfortunately, since they were able to get all of this nonsense
> incorporated into the code, you don't have a choice if you're pulling
> a permit and getting inspections. You pay _and_ you lose! How
> convenient. Must be nice to drum up business by selling stuff that
> isn't needed by scaring the shit out of people and buying off code
> officials with dinners, vacations and hookers.
> </rant>

Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
eventual kiss of death.

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On 11/6/2010 9:09 AM, Han wrote:

> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
> about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
> sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
> tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
> Vietnam policies of that time.

Not the point, Han ... makes no difference which period of history, that
those who will condescend to outright lie to your face don't make good
representatives is inarguable, to knowingly ignore that fact is despicable.

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"Sonny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:98d73fa0-93fc-4b48-8eb5-e11692ff17a0@v12g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> Very nice. Up 'til now, we were actually not convinced you knew how
> to use a hammer.

Thank you

What'sa a hammer? ;~)


> Anyone would look forward to retiring into a nice shop, er...., home
> as that. Gonna move in before New Years?

From grass on the ground to this stage in 15 days. Tentatively the closing
date is Dec 21, 2010. Pre dry wall inspection Nov 8.


> ^5
>
> I viewed a few more pics. I noticed those 3 inspectors
> (ladies)! ..... Keeping you on your toes, I suspect.


IIRC they were all in the sewing studio......planing where to locate the
quilting equipment. The up stairs has a game room/ sewing studio, full
bath, and one bed room with w/i closet. She is talking about putting a
small refrigerator up there. I may never see her.

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>>
>> http://www.swhowto.com/
>>
>> - Doug
>
> Included, with 15 drops plus home security ;~)
>

Actually should be going in today.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> On 11/3/10 2:21 PM, willshak wrote:
> > Leon wrote the following:
> > Good luck on the new house/shop.
> > Just one comment on the pics.
> > If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your
> > first picture.
> > It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate
> > your house location.
> > You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for
> > all to see.
> >
>
> Guess I don't understand the paranoia.
> Before internet mapping, a call to 411 would yield the same results.
> A call to the local county clerk would tell you a bunch more.

But the only people who had your name were people you dealt with
personally and businesses with which you had a relationship. Now with
the Internet if you use your real name online every loon on Earth sees
it.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> The Cat5 and CAT6 cables and WiFi are part of the Ethernet hardware (layer
> 1) spec. Your HDMI "streams" over Ethernet. Slight misuse of terms.
>
>
> "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> The term "structured wiring" may well have historical origins, perhaps
> from the term "structured cabling". My use of it is in reference to
> residential implementations, and searching the web, most every hit also
> is in reference to residential use.
>
> I do know that wifi currently is incapable of streaming 1080 HDTV and is
> unlikely to for several years. It will probably not reach gigabit
> bandwidth in our lifetimes, but cat5/cat6 can do those speeds now and
> the wire can be used for many things besides ethernet.

Interesting. Television stations manage to stream 1080 HDTV over a 6
MHz channel. 802.11G provides several times that.

> I wouldn't buy/build a house today without "structured wiring" including
> multiple catX and RG6/U.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> One word of advice...wear a GD mask right from the first climb up, rockwool
> (especially) or fibreglass.
>
>
> "Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> Yes it is interesting, but what "works" works and what doesn't doesn't.
>
> 802.11n doesn't cut it at 30' line of sight either for HDTV (1080).
>
> Works OK for SD (480i), but not 1080p.

FWIW, 1080p is not a broadcast standard. Broadcast is 1080i.

> That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get cat5e from my router
> through the vaulted cielings and fire block on the interior walls. If I
> could on find a skinny little guy to crawl around in the attic...
>
> - Doug

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> I have noticed that. I am on cable and have noticed their box won't put out
> the 1080p. It is of no consequence to the modern HD sets anyway 'cause they
> display it **their** style from their memory and the same amount of
> resolution is there, just not as fast a flicker and it cannot be seen by
> humans anyway.
>
> Are the satelitte dish services the same limitation of 1080i?

It's sourced from the networks in 1080i--if the satellite services tried
to use 1080p they'd have to generate false frames.

> When the f&*k are the Canuck satelite conglomerates going to stop locking
> out Dishnet and DirectTV? They have had their "protection years" for the
> last 15 or 20? Trouble is if the ever allow DirectTV in Canuckistan Bell
> will go bankrupt in months. Compatible dishes, switches, receivers (FTA
> somewhat) and regulated volume controls and channels without commercials.
> **SIGH** Now the bastards are allowing Dave and Dishnet to advertise on our
> Canuckistan TV sets (sorry..."media display systems")...it's like they are
> laughing at us! So much for Canadian content rules when Canuck dish
> companies need the advertising bucks.
>
> GRRRRRRRR...
> /rant off/
>
>
>
>
> "J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> FWIW, 1080p is not a broadcast standard. Broadcast is 1080i.

I have noticed that. I am on cable and have noticed their box won't put out
the 1080p. It is of no consequence to the modern HD sets anyway 'cause they
display it **their** style from their memory and the same amount of
resolution is there, just not as fast a flicker and it cannot be seen by
humans anyway.

Are the satelitte dish services the same limitation of 1080i?

When the f&*k are the Canuck satelite conglomerates going to stop locking
out Dishnet and DirectTV? They have had their "protection years" for the
last 15 or 20? Trouble is if the ever allow DirectTV in Canuckistan Bell
will go bankrupt in months. Compatible dishes, switches, receivers (FTA
somewhat) and regulated volume controls and channels without commercials.
**SIGH** Now the bastards are allowing Dave and Dishnet to advertise on our
Canuckistan TV sets (sorry..."media display systems")...it's like they are
laughing at us! So much for Canadian content rules when Canuck dish
companies need the advertising bucks.

GRRRRRRRR...
/rant off/




"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
FWIW, 1080p is not a broadcast standard. Broadcast is 1080i.

"RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:52019976-1cd0-4216-bcf2-1d9251e8de84@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/pho...

Most excellent, Leon. Place is looking sharp. I'll be very
interested in seeing how you lay out your three shop car...excuse
me...three car shop. ;)



I did a Sketchup model of the house and shop layout. Take a look at the
attached PDF, titled New Shop Layout at
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
>
> "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> IIRC they were all in the sewing studio......planing where to locate the
>> quilting equipment. The up stairs has a game room/ sewing studio, full
>> bath, and one bed room with w/i closet. She is talking about putting a
>> small refrigerator up there. I may never see her.
> Well, you have heard of man caves, right. This is a woman cave. Or
> perhaps, more accurately, a quilting cave.
>
> That is the way that it is at my house. If I can't find Dawn, she is in
> her quilting room. You have to squeeze into the room because there is a
> big cabinet full or fabric right inside of the door. There are shelves
> down one side with boxes of fabric that go to the ceiling. With numerous
> other crates, boxes, cabinets, etc with even more fabric in the room. This
> does not count the three sewing machines, a serger, a fancy table with
> adapters for all the sewing machines and various thread racks.
>
> To stay in the room cause an increase in estrogen. She listens to her
> music in there.
>
> I know of what you speak. I, too, am married to a quilter.


We have to fit in an 11'x5' long arm quilting machine and a couple of
others, one is an embrodry machine. Several years ago I built a large
cabinet with drawers to store the long arm poles and stands and tracks.
That thing will have to go up stairs and be lifted over a guard rail... Oh
Boy!

And yeah, I suggested that my wife stay with carpet up stairs. The floors
are going to get estrogen slippery with all of her quilting buddies getting
together up there. I told her the carpet would be easier on her feet.

"Robatoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:75d57133-43d0-4c00-b0fb-c95080052574@u10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 3, 12:41 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home
> to
> our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to
> work
> for KPMG.
>
> Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.
>
> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
> erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be
> no
> brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively
> we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.
>
> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/pho...

Building your own is always a trip. Looks like a nice quiet area for a
CNC. <G>

Congrats!


LOL... reminds me of a comedian I was watching on TV a few years back. He
was telling about a neighbor that let his dog out at night for the sole
purpose of "barking" the place up.

Thanks

On 11/5/2010 4:54 PM, Leon wrote:

> Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
> night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
> Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
> sister, in that order. ;~)

Let's get Marlowe in there too ... he wants to come down when it's
warmer than in NY, but not hot, which means Feb or March ...

... otherwise known as GUMBO weather!

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On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
> [email protected]:
>
>> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
>> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
>> electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
>> eventual kiss of death.
>
> Well said.

Basically, I've had it, Han ...

I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
represent a country not long in standing.

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Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
[email protected]:

> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily manipulated
> electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to vote will be its
> eventual kiss of death.

Well said.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
>> [email protected]:
>>
>>> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
>>> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
>>> manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
>>> vote will be its eventual kiss of death.
>>
>> Well said.
>
> Basically, I've had it, Han ...
>
> I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
> to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
> lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
> the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
> represent a country not long in standing.

Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
Vietnam policies of that time.

I'm very worried about the demagoguery (spelling?) going on, on all
sides. Wish there was a regulation that would force vetting of
truthfullness BEFORE broadcasting.

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Northing subjective about a lie. It is or it isn't.
> But a liar is still scum and cannot be trusted. Han is talking about
> our AG soon to be Senator. If he can lie about serving in Vietnam when
> he did not, he can lie about other things. Do you want him making
> decisions that affect your life and the rest of the country? Sorry,
> I'll never believe a word he says and will never trust him.
>

I agree completely, Ed. But this was (for you CTers) a choice between 2
bad candidates. I would have hated this woman to be the Senator. But it
is your choice ...

--
Best regards
Han
email address is invalid

Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On 11/6/2010 9:09 AM, Han wrote:
>
>> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are
>> talking about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing,
>> but I'm not sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I
>> hesitated just a tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I
>> didn't agree with the Vietnam policies of that time.
>
> Not the point, Han ... makes no difference which period of history,
> that those who will condescend to outright lie to your face don't make
> good representatives is inarguable, to knowingly ignore that fact is
> despicable.

Yep, but this McMahon was a worse choice IMO. Glad I didn't have to make
the choice ...

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Han
email address is invalid

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "RicodJour" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:52019976-1cd0-4216-bcf2-1d9251e8de84@a37g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/pho...
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/pho...
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/pho...
>
> Most excellent, Leon. Place is looking sharp. I'll be very
> interested in seeing how you lay out your three shop car...excuse
> me...three car shop. ;)
>
>
>
> I did a Sketchup model of the house and shop layout. Take a look at the
> attached PDF, titled New Shop Layout at
> alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking



Thank you BTW!

Han wrote the following:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>
>> On 11/6/2010 8:13 AM, Han wrote:
>>
>>> Swingman<[email protected]> wrote in news:IKSdnbkx_cr4zUjRnZ2dnUVZ_u-
>>> [email protected]:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Welcome to the United Corporations of America, backed by a Congress
>>>> which keeps getting itself re-elected by an ignorant, easily
>>>> manipulated electorate. A land where the "right" of _everyman_ to
>>>> vote will be its eventual kiss of death.
>>>>
>>> Well said.
>>>
>> Basically, I've had it, Han ...
>>
>> I present to you that the electorate ... voters who can knowingly send
>> to Congress a proven LIAR of the first magnitude; a despicable, base,
>> lying lawyer who cheapened, without outrage from the media or public,
>> the service of every combat veteran who ever served this country ...
>> represent a country not long in standing.
>>
>
> Sorry, Karl, don't know which one of the 1000 or so liars you are talking
> about here. I know of one CT guy who did some such thing, but I'm not
> sure how really bad his statements were. Remember, I hesitated just a
> tiny bit when coming to the US in '69 because I didn't agree with the
> Vietnam policies of that time.
>
> I'm very worried about the demagoguery (spelling?) going on, on all
> sides. Wish there was a regulation that would force vetting of
> truthfullness BEFORE broadcasting.

We only have truth in advertising, and they don't even enforce that.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
In the original Orange County. Est. 1683
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

I did mine in Better Homes and Garden's 3D CAD Professional. It was an
effort to get it to behave but worth it in the end. It looks just like the
virtual walkthroughs did.

"END"??? What end? I am still finishing it after three years and many pulled
muscles.

Just a note: A friend of mine has built a few homes and after backfilling
and planting seed, he took a plate vibrator / packer to the lawn around the
house. Weird, I know but the grass grew so fast I couldn't believe it and
two years later no sinking can be detected.


"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
I did a Sketchup model of the house and shop layout. Take a look at the
attached PDF, titled New Shop Layout at
alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking

On 11/5/2010 1:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:

> I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the
> foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum.

Take a look at the pictures again and you should see that the sill
plates are bolted to the foundation every 48" ...

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"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
> 2257 + approx 600 garage

I'm still wondering about the garage doing double duty for your woodworking.
Considering the amount and quality of woodworking you do, I'm surprised you
didn't organize a dedicated workshop. Obviously, you've considered it all
and the garage is all you really need. Guess it's just me and my preferences
getting in the way.

On Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:15:40 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/5/2010 1:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the
>> foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum.
>
>Take a look at the pictures again and you should see that the sill
>plates are bolted to the foundation every 48" ...

Yes, but all the uprights are merely toenailed in, I believe from one
side only. A proper gust of wind would pull everything but the sill
plate up. <g>

The most common items I've seen are the Simpson HD and HDA holddowns.
The Jbolt nut holds it down to the sill and lags go into the uprights.
Strap ties keep the top cap on the uprights, twisted ties keep the
rafters on the caps, etc. I was just surprised to see nothing of the
sort on his house in what I thought was Hurricane Alley.

--
If we attend continually and promptly to the little that
we can do, we shall ere long be surprised to find how
little remains that we cannot do. -- Samuel Butler

Lew Hodgett wrote:
> "Leon" wrote:
>
>
>> Totally agree! ;~) Knock out the center of the garage back wall
>> and and another wall behind that and gain an area 12' x 26'
> --------------------------------
> Why wait, or is this a negotiation ploy?<G>
>
> Lew

Uh-oh... that's gonna require a change order...

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-Mike-
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On Nov 5, 5:54=A0pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>
> > Good going Leon! =A0I can't imagine what it would be like to have that
> > much room to work whenever I wanted. =A0Years ago I had a large rented
> > space with a small office attached that I ran my business out of for a
> > few years. =A0Moving everything back home and having only a 12X16 shop
> > to work in is painful.
>
> > Since it must also serve as storage for materials and a staging area
> > for the projects there isn't any room in there.
>
> > I'll bet you and Kim are as happy as two newlyweds. =A0< For different
> > reasons!! =A0;^) =A0 >
>
> > Congrats on everything. =A0The house, the shop, being a good Dad, and
> > doing a find job raising good kids. =A0That goes for Kim, too!
>
> Thank you Robert! =A0Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend=
the
> night, =A0so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
> Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit you=
r
> sister, in that order. =A0;~)

Are you guys going to get biker jackets with crossed chisels under a
saw blade patches? Hmmm...making up Wreck patches isn't a bad idea.

R

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 11:41:41 -0500, "Leon" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home to
>our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to work
>for KPMG.
>
>Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.

Congrats, I think.


>Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
>erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be no
>brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively
>we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.



>I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!

Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.


>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/lightbox/

Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032

What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for
stressing the concrete? IMG_0735

Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock?
(build one?)

Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from
that map.

Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it?
Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same.

Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!

--
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim

On Nov 8, 7:41=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:
> "Swingman" =A0wrote
>
> > My prediction ... COO could easily be five weeks from today.
>
> Are you taking bets??
>
> Sorry, I couldn't help myself. =A0That word, prediction, sets me off
> sometimes.
>
> <G>

Such is the life of a countertop installer in the world of new-builds.
The lady of the house can't quite decide where to put the island.
The plumbing/electric waits.
The flooring guy gets drunk.
The cabinet guy can't install because the tile is finally in and needs
to set.
Cabinets go in on Wednesday (Closing day is Friday, mom and the kids
are at the hotel with several vans full of stuff.)
The builder wants to get paid but can't get an occupancy permit
because the kitchen sink isn't in because I did get to take my
template till Thursday night...so who is the bad guy now?
Any bets on how many times that has happened to me?

That's NOTHING!!! Try installing at a new McDonalds or Bugger King.
Day before Grand Opening, cash register people punching holes in the
countertop with farking spade bits, whilst the electricians are
farking walking on it installing potlights scratching the bejeezuz out
of it, Pop dispensers along with 'technician's' tools are smacked
down....
.
.
.
.
...and then you wait 90-120 days to get paid.

On Nov 6, 1:30=A0pm, Robatoy <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Nov 6, 12:45=A0pm, RicodJour <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm not looking for a saint to hold office, I'm looking for someone to
> > be effective and not tear stuff down instead of building it up. =A0My
> > parents used to lie to me all of the time.
>
> Mine did not. "Shut up, we will get there when we get there."

My mother would not use such language. My father, well, he would have
prefaced it with, Godammit! ;)

> > We are in such a situation. =A0We need to be told the truth about the
> > economy, the deficit, etc., but we don't need to be told the truth
> > about who's banging who, who was the greater war hero, or any of
> > that. =A0It's not applicable.
>
> Int=E9grit=E9, mon fr=E8re. A liar will lie. Allways. =A0

Ah, I see. You have never in your life lied. Got it. Tell me, was
it painful pulling the nails out of your feet and palms?

R

On Nov 4, 10:05=A0am, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 11/4/2010 7:22 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 20:32:52 -0700 (PDT), Sonny<[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> >> On Nov 3, 6:33 pm, Larry Jaques<
>
> >>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. =A0I
> >>> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. =A0Your tubasix=
es
> >>> are casually toenailed to the sill. =A0Scary. =A0Tie that puppy down,=
boy!
>
> >> The sheetrock will hold everything together!
>
> > OH, I forgot the wet Chinese sheetrock. =A0Pardon me.
>
> > Texas must not follow international code.
>
> It does ... but you have to be informed before you flap your trap.
>
> You guys can laugh, but drywall can actually be an element in a properly
> designed shearwall (albeit a weak one, but it does have shear resistance
> which adds to the total effect), particularly in a hurricane prone area,
> but not so much in earthquake zones.

I wouldn't trust the stuff (though I live in an old house, and so
therefore consequently do) for a shear wall. I think it's
particularly bad for cyclic loading, like you said, in seismic zones.
Gypsum shear walls for residential construction have largely gone the
way of the dodo with the "new and improved" building code. Using
gypsum for the shear wall would cause a typical plan examiner to
immediately break out the red stamp unless there were specific
structural notation/calculation from an engineer.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/tal.491/abstract
http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1985/patto85a.pdf

R

On Nov 3, 6:33=A0pm, Larry Jaques <
>
> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. =A0I
> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. =A0Your tubasixes
> are casually toenailed to the sill. =A0Scary. =A0Tie that puppy down, boy=
!

The sheetrock will hold everything together!

Sonny

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 09:09:38 -0500, Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 11/3/2010 6:33 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>
>> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls.
>
>Trying to rain on someone's parade again, C-less?

Again? But the answer is no. I was shocked to see no ties in the
house.


>Obviously hurricane strapping is not installed until after all the
>framing elements are in.
>
>Do you know what a "shear wall" is?

I thought I did, but I don't build homes. There appear to be far more
types of shear walls than I'd been aware of.


>http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5133128337/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
>You see that thermo-ply sheathing> It is one of the main elements of a
>"shear wall" in a frame construction.
>
>In the photo, you can also see, from the top sill plate of the first
>floor exterior wall, that the next course of plywood sheathing will
>overlap the first and second floor exterior walls, which is also a shear
>wall requirement in most locales in this area.


>(I would have actually used a "running bond" overlap, instead of butt
>join, of the sheathing in this area to give it added shear resistance,
>but as long as it is properly nailed it should pass local shear wall
>inspection requirements, as is ... once the sheathing is complete, of
>course).

I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the
foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum.

--
Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
-- Minna Thomas Antrim

> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
> erected. =A0Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill =
be no
> brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. =A0Tentati=
vely
> we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.

Lucky bastard.

At least until the ole bat next door calls the cops on your noisey
router and eventually shuts you down.

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Nov 5, 3:54 pm, "Leon" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to spend the
> night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on spending a night.
> Then there would be the night at Swingman's house, then you can visit your
> sister, in that order. ;~)

Thanks, Leon!

I got a real chuckle out of that. If I spent a day/night with you,
then Karl, I would probably be in such a good mood that I would just
come on back home. Just tell ol' Sis I had a flat...

Just kidding... kinda...

When are you expecting the house to be finished (real time, not
contractor projections) ?

Robert

I "think" every thing that might be delayed by weather has been done
already. Basically all the roofing is complete, the windows are in and the
insulation is going in today. Stone was delivered today and brick was
supposed to be delivered today. It is to this point in 20 days. They
project another 43 days to closing. As it is it appears the inspections may
be the delay although they have not been a problem so far. I really do
expect to have the keys in my hands on 12/21.

"willshak" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Leon wrote the following:
>> Several months ago I mentioned that my wife I were going to sell our home
>> to our son, he recently graduated with his masters degree and has gone to
>> work for KPMG.
>>
>> Last week the sale was final and now we are homeless, so to speak.
>>
>> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
>> erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be
>> no brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed.
>> Tentatively we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall
>> inspection.
>>
>> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/lightbox/
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/lightbox/
> Good luck on the new house/shop.
> Just one comment on the pics.
> If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your first
> picture.
> It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate
> your house location.
> You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for all
> to see.


I thought about that but hind site.....;~)

On 11/3/10 2:14 PM, Leon wrote:
> Actually my current
> nieghbors like the fact that I work out of my garage. They know that I am
> keeping an eye on the "goings ons" in the neighborhood while they are away
> at work, and I generally don't work at night.
>

Mine, too, for that same reason.
Neighbor two doors down works at home, too.

Congrats on the new place.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 11/3/10 2:21 PM, willshak wrote:
> Leon wrote the following:
> Good luck on the new house/shop.
> Just one comment on the pics.
> If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your
> first picture.
> It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate
> your house location.
> You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for
> all to see.
>

Guess I don't understand the paranoia.
Before internet mapping, a call to 411 would yield the same results.
A call to the local county clerk would tell you a bunch more.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 11/3/10 3:11 PM, willshak wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote the following:
>> On 11/3/10 2:21 PM, willshak wrote:
>>> Leon wrote the following:
>>> Good luck on the new house/shop.
>>> Just one comment on the pics.
>>> If you have a paint/photo program, blur out the street names in your
>>> first picture.
>>> It only took me a couple of minutes, sitting at my computer, to locate
>>> your house location.
>>> You can't be too careful with personal information that is posted for
>>> all to see.
>>>
>>
>> Guess I don't understand the paranoia.
>> Before internet mapping, a call to 411 would yield the same results.
>
> What information would you give the 411 operator to get the address?
>
>> A call to the local county clerk would tell you a bunch more.
>
> What local county clerk?
>

I was speaking in general.
I'm listed in the phone book.
Even the quickest web perusal reveals my last name and the city in which
I live.

But, to expound on my "paranoia" comment....
Blotching out the street names in his picture is the equivalent of
putting a $10 latch and padlock on your shed. All it does it keep out the
curious. Anyone interested in stealing your stuff can be in and out of
your shed in 5 minutes and you'd be none the wiser.

Same goes for any public information for anyone in this newsgroup.
Blotching out those street names may keep someone like you from googling
it and saying, "oh, wow, so that's where his new house is." But someone
who is intent on doing anything else that would warrant paranoia
wouldn't be impeded in the least by that.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 11/5/10 11:48 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> I'd forgo the now outdated runs of CAT-anything and go wireless for internet
> stuff.
>

I agree. Even audio and video are going wifi. I don't know how the
hi-def stuff looks in wifi... it's probably not up to snuff, yet. But we
watch movies on our Wii, through Netflix and they come into the house
via internet which is supplied by the cable company though the cable.
Once it hits the router, it's going wifi to the Wii and the audio and
video on the internet streamed movies often looks and sounds better than
the digital comcast cable programs.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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Swingman wrote:
> On 11/5/2010 4:54 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> Thank you Robert! Finally we will have enough room for guests to
>> spend the night, so when y'all are in town you need to plan on
>> spending a night. Then there would be the night at Swingman's house,
>> then you can visit your sister, in that order. ;~)
>
> Let's get Marlowe in there too ... he wants to come down when it's
> warmer than in NY, but not hot, which means Feb or March ...
>
> ... otherwise known as GUMBO weather!

i think you'll find that people from the north who visit the south during
the winter tend to stay around. i always ask northeners to visit during
july/aug.

regards,
charlie
phx, az

RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 5, 7:18 pm, "chaniarts" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> i think you'll find that people from the north who visit the south
>> during the winter tend to stay around. i always ask northeners to
>> visit during july/aug.
>>
>> regards,
>> charlie
>> phx, az
>
> My brother went down to Phoenix in the summer twelve years ago and
> he's still there. He might be your neighbor. Do you have a neighbor
> with numerous trucks, cars, motorcycles, four dogs and he's always
> working on something - usually loudly? That's him.
>
> R

those are the ones we keep. we throw the rest back.

all my neighbors have horses or burros/donkeys, which are bigger, smellier,
and except for dawn when it's feeding time, usually much quieter than dogs.

"Larry Jaques" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
>>I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>
> Jeeze, what is that, 3,000 s/f? Looks big.


2257 + approx 600 garage



>
>
> Why are all the tubafores standing on their tippytoes? DSCF0032

?

>
> What's the orange tubing, floor heat? Seems sparse. Or rebar for
> stressing the concrete? IMG_0735

Insulated cable for stressing the slab. About 60 of them, they run down
inside the footings also.


>
> Why by a lot in a tract vs wide open spaces, on a hillock?
> (build one?)


Looked into that extensively many years ago, bought the land and never wrnt
past that point due to job relocations. It is still appealing but this hose
was literally the right price, about 25% less that what we would have had to
pay about 6 months ago.


> Are you in the floodplain? I couldn't tell where your lot was from
> that map.

That is the first thing I look for, we are not even in the 500 year flood
plane. Our current house is, we had flood insurance for about 25 years in
our old house and Omaha sold out to Fidelity for flood insurance. Fedelity
did not observe the law and canceled our insurance and demanded we pay
$3,600 per year for flood insurance, we had been paying $230. I dropped the
insurance for a few years, got an elevation survey and now pay $700 per
year. We should have been grandfathered-in and my attourney said we can
fight and will win but it is going to cost you much more.



>
> Do you live in Kansas? That's some flatland there, ain't it?
> Oh, Sugarland, TX. Same/same.

Was the Sugar Land area, now the North Richmond TX area, just west of Sugar
Land and just south of Katy, Tx.


>
> Hurricane-proof house? I don't see as -any- ties or shear walls. I
> thought I'd see tons for that dangerous kind of area. Your tubasixes
> are casually toenailed to the sill. Scary. Tie that puppy down, boy!

Actually this area only sees a hurricane on average about once every 25
years, we had one 2 years ago previous to that in 1983 and 1962. The new
house is rated for 125 mile per hour winds and even with a Cat 4 hurricane
at the coast, 60 miles inland the winds are much less. We have much more of
a threat from flooding and oddly enough tornados al thoufh not the big ones.
Old house is marginally closer tot he gulf and had faired well during the
hurricanes that it has gone through. If I were much closer to the coast I
would be much more concerned.



>
> --
> Experience is a good teacher, but she send in terrific bills.
> -- Minna Thomas Antrim

"Lew Hodgett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> RE: Subject
>
> Leon, you have your space allocations all screwed up.
>
> 2,200+ sq ft = living space
> 600+ sq ft = shop space
>
> Your priorities are definitely bass ackwards<G>.
>
> Lew
>
>

Totally agree! ;~) Knock out the center of the garage back wall and and
another wall behind that and gain an area 12' x 26'

On 11/8/2010 6:41 PM, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>
> "Swingman" wrote
>>
>> My prediction ... COO could easily be five weeks from today.
>>
> Are you taking bets??


Why not ... in honor of C-less. A Festool (style) raffle: $1000/ticket
to guess the date. First prize a HF MultiTool.

;)

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"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Suggestion: structured wiring.
>
> http://www.swhowto.com/
>
> - Doug

Included, with 15 drops plus home security ;~)

On 11/6/2010 11:32 AM, RicodJour wrote:
> On Nov 6, 10:15 am, Swingman<[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 11/5/2010 1:18 AM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>>
>>> I've never seen one which wasn't tied down with thick steel to the
>>> foundation, and most of those I've seen were steel or aluminum.
>>
>> Take a look at the pictures again and you should see that the sill
>> plates are bolted to the foundation every 48" ...
>
> They look closer than that, and I've never seen an aluminum structural
> tie down of any sort. Galvanized is the de facto standard. I also
> don't know what the "thick steel" means. The straps are what?, 1/16"
> thick, unless you're talking seismic, and I don't think Leon has much
> worry there.

You're correct, most Engineering/Structural plans call for specific
Simpson ties and straps and those do vary in thickness according to
spec. It really doesn't take much of strap/tie to add a remarkable
amount of shear resistance providing they are properly located, properly
nailed, and, of course, per Engineer specifications.


> This isn't a big deal, Larry, and I am not quite sure why you're
> sticking to your guns, when your guns have little ammunition in this
> instance, and it's essentially pissing on Leon's shoes. He has bigger
> things to worry about, such as how can he annex the first floor of the
> house to increase the size of his shop...before his wife gets the same
> idea about her need to expand her activity area and annexes the
> Sudetenland.

I would be very surprised if there was no strapping at all going in
Leon's house prior to the framing inspection, and the plumbing,
electrical and mechanical rough-in.

He should find out on Monday because I think that have a pre-insulation
walk-through, and I can almost guarantee that it will be in evidence of
same at that time ... then again, I don't build in this particular
jurisdiction and I'm not a tract home builder.

(His builder has an excellent reputation, and from what I've when I've
accompanied him and his wife (as their deaf, dumb and blind, Coonass
cousin), they have absolutely nothing to be afraid of, and everything to
be proud of)

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One word of advice...wear a GD mask right from the first climb up, rockwool
(especially) or fibreglass.


"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Yes it is interesting, but what "works" works and what doesn't doesn't.

802.11n doesn't cut it at 30' line of sight either for HDTV (1080).

Works OK for SD (480i), but not 1080p.

That's why I'm trying to figure out how to get cat5e from my router
through the vaulted cielings and fire block on the interior walls. If I
could on find a skinny little guy to crawl around in the attic...

- Doug

"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Two weeks ago yesterday the forms for the foundation of our new home were
> erected. Yesterday the roof decking, windows, siding where there sill be
> no
> brick or rock, gas plumbing, and sheathing had been installed. Tentatively
> we meet with the building supervisor to do a pre dry wall inspection.

Lucky bastard.

Thanks I think ;~)

At least until the ole bat next door calls the cops on your noisey
router and eventually shuts you down.


Already covered that with the HOA. ;~) Not a problem as long as the garage
remains a garage and not something that would prevent 3 cars from being
brought in some time in the future. I purposely picked a lot with no
immediate neighbors. Prospective new neighbors will see what they are
getting into and can pick another location. ;~) Actually my current
nieghbors like the fact that I work out of my garage. They know that I am
keeping an eye on the "goings ons" in the neighborhood while they are away
at work, and I generally don't work at night.

"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I get my 3 car shop, my wife gets her large sewing studio. Yeah!
>
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374142/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5142769415/in/photostream/lightbox/
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/#/photos/lcb11211/5143374922/in/photostream/lightbox/
>

Nice ! ! !
Lots of square foots of shingles on that roof!

"Han" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> I agree completely, Ed. But this was (for you CTers) a choice between 2
> bad candidates. I would have hated this woman to be the Senator. But it
> is your choice ...

The choices for both Senator and Governor were very bad this time around.
Did little good, but I voted for independents.