I have a 1960-era Stanley #5 with black lacquer on the tote and knob. I
polished it out with 000 steel wool and wax, and it looks pretty good.
However, it's still subtly rough, and after a day of slinging this plane
around, it really started to irritate my hands.
I could strip off the paint, sand the wood and repaint or wax or something,
but this plane is no collector, and I really don't care about wood vs.
plastic. I like the plastic "faux rosewood" handles on my other plane
(modern #4) just fine, and I greatly prefer the larger knob too.
I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
the day here.
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I've got the material sitting here for another one. Just need to get the
time.
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:05:50 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >You finished your yet?
>
> Haven't even started it. There's a big sackful of cotton moleskin
> sitting here, and I'm sure at least one Utilikilt will get made
> someday.
>
> --
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[email protected] wrote:
>> OK, maybe that was a poor choice of words. How about "complex, curvy,
>> rounded shape" then?
> Michael, do you own a router? A roundover bit will take care of the
I barely own a router, let's put it that way. I'm not sure if I could coax
it into this or not.
> the angles and placement right.
Drilling the hole *is* actually a question mark, now that you mention it.
I'll have to ponder that. I might need to get some kind of special bit to
bore a hole that deep.
> We're both in VA, if you don't have a
Barely both in VA... This sure is an amazingly diverse state.
> I'll send you a few tote blanks out of whatever wood I have lying
> around. You can finish up the work on them, the price is right.
I'd have jumped on that gratefully a couple days ago.
Now that SWMBO is asking me questions about scroll saws, I think I'll wait
until Christmas to see what I get. Whether it's a scroll saw or a router,
it will surely make this prospect more approachable than it is right now.
Anyway, now that I sanded the old paint smooth and waxed it, we'll see how
tolerable it is until then.
Even if I take a pass on the offer, thanks for the generous spirit.
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Silvan wrote:
> I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
> the day here.
If you use your planes very much you'll find that wood feels better than
plastic. If nothing else it doesn't get sweaty the way plastic does.
Unless your hands are the size and shape that handles are made for,
making your own out of wood is a better answer, especialy if you're
looking for cheaper. I expect that you've got a bandsaw and a sander,
making a tracing of the handle so that you can set up the angle and hole
placement is the only difficult part. For some reason, plane handles
seem awfully small to me. Perhaps because guys tend to be larger now
than they were 100 or so years ago. Unfortunately handlew sizes haven't
changed. make handles to fit your hands, you'll be happier.
Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > If you use your planes very much you'll find that wood feels better than
> > plastic. If nothing else it doesn't get sweaty the way plastic does.
> Dunno, the Corinthian rosewood hasn't bothered me at all compared to the old
> paint. That's no comparison against new paint or bare wood though.
I musta missed something. Rosewood is wood, not plastic, it shouldn't
cause you any problems. Chipped paint or any paint for that matter is a
step down from smooth wood.
> > Unless your hands are the size and shape that handles are made for,
> > making your own out of wood is a better answer, especialy if you're
> > looking for cheaper. I expect that you've got a bandsaw and a sander,
> Agreed, but not easy. I'm not much good with curvy things. Doing a proper
> tote would be an undertaking.
A tote isn't hard to cut out of a board with a band or scroll saw. if
you have a 1X30 or 1X42 beltsander, smothing it out is simple. Whole
thing shouldn't take more than 1/2 an hour, with drilling the holes
being the only hard part. If you use scrap wood the cost is $0.
> I don't have time to waste screwing around making handles for it right now,
> and I don't have time to waste screwing around with stripping it right now
> either. Insufficient heat, cold weather, and time is running out fast.
> That's why I was thinking of some el-crappo plastic handles for the time
> being. After Christmas, both planes will probably get walnut knobs, at the
> very least, after I learn how to use my new lathe. :)
I figured that you could make one faster and definitely cheaper, than
you could get one anywhere else.
Dave in Fairfax
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CW swaggered:
> Let me assure you, you don't have a lock on hard work. As I said, never
> bothered me.
Chuck, this is what I was talking about. Check his posts. Alright CW I
admit it, you're more of a man than any of us and more knowledgable
about running a business than the other people you've chosen to put
down. When your personality catches up with your other abilities let us
know. You're making BAD look really mature.
Dave in Fairfax
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Ken Muldrew opined:
> A thread about aftermarket plastic plane handles is surreal! It would
> have been a pretty funny troll, but as a serious issue it's way
> stranger than the trivia that BAD spews.
I couldn't agree more. What's truly bizarre about this is that it
started out as a question on how to quickly and cheaply replace some
knocked around parts. Most of the replies missed the quick and cheap
part of the question and just went after how to get nice wood
replacements. Then the testosterone kicked in and people started
getting maligned about their hands and sales/manufacture processes.
It's a strange world.
Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan wrote:
> OK, maybe that was a poor choice of words. How about "complex, curvy,
> rounded shape" then?
Michael, do you own a router? A roundover bit will take care of the
corners for you, making very little sanding needed. I assume that you
don't have a bandsaw since you said you'd use a coping saw. Do you have
a drill and a sanding disk, what about a vise? The vise lods the drill
with the sanding disk on it and after the handle is run through the
roundover bit on the router, any sanding that might need to be done is
very easy. All that leaves is drilling the holes for the toe screw and
the main shaft, and making the initial shape. If you have a drill press
the drilling is fairly easy, you just have to be careful about making
the angles and placement right. We're both in VA, if you don't have a
bandsaw or access to one, shoot me a line, off-line, with your addy and
I'll send you a few tote blanks out of whatever wood I have lying
around. You can finish up the work on them, the price is right.
Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan wrote:
> I barely own a router, let's put it that way. I'm not sure if I could coax
> it into this or not.
> Drilling the hole *is* actually a question mark, now that you mention it.
> I'll have to ponder that. I might need to get some kind of special bit to
> bore a hole that deep.
> Now that SWMBO is asking me questions about scroll saws, I think I'll wait
> until Christmas to see what I get. Whether it's a scroll saw or a router,
> it will surely make this prospect more approachable than it is right now.
> Anyway, now that I sanded the old paint smooth and waxed it, we'll see how
> tolerable it is until then.
> Even if I take a pass on the offer, thanks for the generous spirit.
Hi Silvan, I saw your website, the router hiding in that table should
work. For this kinda junk I use a POS HF laminate trimmer in a Crapsman
table. I suspect that a drill held upright in a table would work, it
isn't anything fancy, you're just knocking the corners off. As for the
drilling, you've got a vise that fits your DP don't you? just tilt the
table with the plane sitting on it until the rear post is parallel to
your 1/4" drill bit and tighten the talble up. place your vise on the
table (bolt it down) and put the tote into the vise so that the drill is
centered on the long axis of the tote and drill it from each end, if
you're careful the holes will meet somewhere towards the center.
<BSEG> Measure the distance frome the post hole to the toe hole and
mark that on the tote, drill the hole. Should fit the plane. Offer
stays open, just give me yell.
Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan wrote:
> It's a 1/4" hole? That's convenient. I have a really long 1/4" bit for
> some reason.
A 1/4" works just fine, a 3/16" is a bit too tight. You should probably
start with a shorter 1/4" even though you have a long one, just to
ensure that the bit doesn't wander. Drill both directions with the
short bit and then ream it with the long bit. At least that's what I
do.
Good luck,
Dave in Fairfax
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CW wrote:
> Had nothing to do with me. There were a few people on hear that seemed to
> have the need to express their feelings of inadequacy though. :)
>
> "Conan the Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > You must have missed my original post in this thread. Before CW
> > turned it into a gruntfest, I wrote:
> >
Keeeriste! I thought we'd put this to bed. Silvan, check your mail, I
sent you half a dozen tote blanks.
Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan wrote:
> Ugh... Since you decided to send'em anyway, we should have confirmed the
> address first. :)
> If you got it off the web somewhere, chances are Dr. Jones will be wondering
> WTF he just got in the mail.
> (Kinda funny... He's my doctor, and when my bills go to the wrong house,
> they go to his house. He doesn't pay them.)
> Well, anyway, thanks!
I found you and Renee on Anywho. County Dr NE. I hope that the good Dr
will pass them on to you when they show up. Might want to check with
him. It was supposed to be a surprise, so confirming the addy would
have been a bit of a contradiction. I wouldn't have mentioned it at all
if not for the last message from CW.
Dave in Fairfax
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Silvan wrote:
> OK, that's actually correct. Now if we could just get the state government
> and my mortgage company on board. (I *wish* I owned the house they drew up
> all the papers for. I wonder what would have happened if I had signed
> them. Dr. Jones? I just bought your house. It's here in black and white.
> Get out. :)
I'm glad I sent them the right direction, they should be there by the
end of the week.
Dave in Fairfax
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"Henry St.Pierre" wrote:
> Todd,
> 'Pears that Mr. Silvan appreciated your effort and you beat me into
> sending him a tote. You're the lucky one. I made up few few blanks with
> some cherry cutoffs I had and am rasping them into shape. Was going to send
> one to Mike.
> I find it's easier to drill the tote before you cut the angle and shape.
> Don't have a lathe yet, so I don't do knobs (plane knobs that is).
> Regards,
> Hank
I don't know who Todd is, but if you're making some totes for Silvan go
ahead and send them to him. 5 of the 6 I sent are for him to practice
on since he says he has problems getting the curves right. Using a
router and a sanding disk should make it pretty simple vs a rasp/float
and hand sanding, but He'll undoubtedly have a need for more totes.
Silvan as for learning curves on knobs with your new lathe. Spindle
work is EXACTLY where you should start out, turning between centers.
Your spur chuck will even recess the botttom of the knob for you if you
have problems learning ;-) . Let me know when you need some curly
maple of walnut to try working on.
Dave in Fairfax
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[email protected] wrote:
> You're making BAD look really mature.
A thread about aftermarket plastic plane handles is surreal! It would
have been a pretty funny troll, but as a serious issue it's way
stranger than the trivia that BAD spews.
Ken Muldrew
[email protected]
(remove all letters after y in the alphabet)
Real men have that. :)
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> That's because you have a thick and impervious hide.
>
>
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<Oehtb.154463$9E1.776175@attbi_s52>...
> Some of my planes have plastic, some wood. It makes no difference to me. If
> I had to have a replacement, and I had a choice, I would go with plastic.
> More durable. As for feel, if your hands are soft enough that it makes a
> difference, you need new skin.
It's not a matter of having skin that's too soft, it's a matter of
having hands that sweat. When hands sweat, plastic plane knobs and
totes get slippery. When knobs and totes get slippery, it becomes
harder to control the plane, plus blisters are more likely. There's
also the rib from the molding that tends to sit right in the web of
your hand and rub.
FWIW, given a choice, I take a knob and tote with nothing but an
oil or oil/wax finish rather than high-gloss of any sort. When I use
my planes, I am using them for everything from dimensioning to
surfacing to smoothing, and I want the tote and knob to be comfortable
to use.
Chuck Vance
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<omaub.226287$Tr4.669941@attbi_s03>...
> You say it isn't a matter of having skin to soft then go on to describe the
> symptoms of having skin to soft. I don't have any problems.
Let's try it in real simple terms: Plastic gets slippery. Moreso
than wood. It's not fun to plane when the knob and tote are slippery
(no matter how many callouses you have).
Chuck Vance
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I didn't expect it to go on for three weeks and turn into a pissing contest.
> I'm sorry I asked.
>
> Meanwhile the cracked old paint on this #5 is driving me nuts, and I really
> wish I had some nice smooth plastic ones instead. <sigh>
>
> Or yes, nice smooth rosewood or mammoth ivory or macaroni and cheese if it
> would do the job and cost next to nothing. My point was that I don't to
> pay for anything fancy, and I really need something else for this plane
> ASAP. I'm sorry that's such an affront to everyone's sense of decency.
You must have missed my original post in this thread. Before CW
turned it into a gruntfest, I wrote:
> If you absolutely *must* have plastic, you might try Lori in Parts
> at Stanley Works at 800-262-2161. I don't know if that number is
> current, but she has been a great help in the past to folks looking for
> parts for Stanley stuff.
Chuck Vance
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<CiSyb.389143$Fm2.400332@attbi_s04>...
> Had nothing to do with me. There were a few people on hear that seemed to
> have the need to express their feelings of inadequacy though. :)
You do that every time you post to this newsgroup, sweetie.
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) And it's spelled "here".
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> [email protected] wrote:
>
> > If you use your planes very much you'll find that wood feels better than
> > plastic. If nothing else it doesn't get sweaty the way plastic does.
>
> Dunno, the Corinthian rosewood hasn't bothered me at all compared to the old
> paint. That's no comparison against new paint or bare wood though.
>
> > Unless your hands are the size and shape that handles are made for,
> > making your own out of wood is a better answer, especialy if you're
> > looking for cheaper. I expect that you've got a bandsaw and a sander,
>
> Agreed, but not easy. I'm not much good with curvy things. Doing a proper
> tote would be an undertaking.
>
> How about I put this in a different perspective. I'm having to do a hell of
> a lot of planing for a project that I need to get finished before
> Christmas. (I've generated about four cubic feet of shavings already, with
> at least twice that much to go yet.) All money is going into the project,
> and I have nothing to spare for equipment, so I'm looking for a cheap,
> immediate, stop-gap way to make the plane more agreeable to use.
>
> I don't have time to waste screwing around making handles for it right now,
> and I don't have time to waste screwing around with stripping it right now
> either. Insufficient heat, cold weather, and time is running out fast.
> That's why I was thinking of some el-crappo plastic handles for the time
> being. After Christmas, both planes will probably get walnut knobs, at the
> very least, after I learn how to use my new lathe. :)
Go to Mike-in-Katy at
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mike_in_katy/PlaneWood/Default.htm
He'll send you a set of great wood quick. It'll fit your hand better
too. he does awesome work.
Paul
On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:24:59 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>As I already discussed at some length, I absolutely suck at making smooth,
>symmetrical, rounded freeform shapes out of wood.
Aye, but, if ye would not make "smooth", nor "symmetrical", nor
"rounded", would ye be a wooddorker, then?
As fer "freeform", the form is naye free and ye have a fair simulacrum
of its shape sitting 'pon yer plane, just say.
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
[email protected] wrote:
> I found you and Renee on Anywho. County Dr NE. I hope that the good Dr
OK, that's actually correct. Now if we could just get the state government
and my mortgage company on board. (I *wish* I owned the house they drew up
all the papers for. I wonder what would have happened if I had signed
them. Dr. Jones? I just bought your house. It's here in black and white.
Get out. :)
> him. It was supposed to be a surprise, so confirming the addy would
Ah. Well, I'm surprised. :)
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They are not hard to make, I made a set from scraps of walnut the look
and work great, and they we're extremly cheap.
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I have a 1960-era Stanley #5 with black lacquer on the tote and knob. I
> polished it out with 000 steel wool and wax, and it looks pretty good.
> However, it's still subtly rough, and after a day of slinging this plane
> around, it really started to irritate my hands.
>
> I could strip off the paint, sand the wood and repaint or wax or something,
> but this plane is no collector, and I really don't care about wood vs.
> plastic. I like the plastic "faux rosewood" handles on my other plane
> (modern #4) just fine, and I greatly prefer the larger knob too.
>
> I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
> the day here.
Ken Muldrew wrote:
> A thread about aftermarket plastic plane handles is surreal! It would
> have been a pretty funny troll, but as a serious issue it's way
> stranger than the trivia that BAD spews.
I didn't expect it to go on for three weeks and turn into a pissing contest.
I'm sorry I asked.
Meanwhile the cracked old paint on this #5 is driving me nuts, and I really
wish I had some nice smooth plastic ones instead. <sigh>
Or yes, nice smooth rosewood or mammoth ivory or macaroni and cheese if it
would do the job and cost next to nothing. My point was that I don't to
pay for anything fancy, and I really need something else for this plane
ASAP. I'm sorry that's such an affront to everyone's sense of decency.
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Silvan notes:
>I didn't expect it to go on for three weeks and turn into a pissing contest.
>I'm sorry I asked.
>
>Meanwhile the cracked old paint on this #5 is driving me nuts, and I really
>wish I had some nice smooth plastic ones instead. <sigh>
Michael, take a half hour, remove the damned handles, dip them in paint
remover, wipe down with 00, 000, 0000 steel wool, and coat with your choice of
clear finishes. Or leave naked.
Problem solved.
Charlie Self
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. "
Ronald Reagan
Charlie Self wrote:
> Michael, take a half hour, remove the damned handles, dip them in paint
> remover, wipe down with 00, 000, 0000 steel wool, and coat with your
Nothing I have on-hand will touch this paint. What do you suggest I use?
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Silvan asks:
>
>> Michael, take a half hour, remove the damned handles, dip them in paint
>> remover, wipe down with 00, 000, 0000 steel wool, and coat with your
>
>Nothing I have on-hand will touch this paint. What do you suggest I use?
Don't know what you have on hand...if nothing else works, sand and scrape (use
nothing stronger than 100 grit, though).
Charlie Self
"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. "
Ronald Reagan
Charlie Self wrote:
>>Nothing I have on-hand will touch this paint. What do you suggest I use?
>
> Don't know what you have on hand...if nothing else works, sand and scrape
> (use nothing stronger than 100 grit, though).
OK, I meant... I have to go buy something. What eats this kind of stuff?
I assume the paint is probably nitro lacquer, and lacquer thinner would
melt it eventually, but it seems that could take a long time.
I used to use this marvelous stuff called 3M Safest Stripper, but I can't
find it anymore. I'm wondering what else works, but isn't too horribly
noxious. The other stuff I've used to strip off lacquer (I'm thinking
"Dad's" here, but don't remember exactly what it was) was so incredibly
evil that it actually made my hands *hurt*, through four layers of gloves.
I don't want to have a run-in with whatever that chemical was again. Maybe
methyline (?) chloride.
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http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
Silvan notes:
>OK, I meant... I have to go buy something. What eats this kind of stuff?
>I assume the paint is probably nitro lacquer, and lacquer thinner would
>melt it eventually, but it seems that could take a long time.
>
>I used to use this marvelous stuff called 3M Safest Stripper, but I can't
>find it anymore. I'm wondering what else works, but isn't too horribly
>noxious. The other stuff I've used to strip off lacquer (I'm thinking
>"Dad's" here, but don't remember exactly what it was) was so incredibly
>evil that it actually made my hands *hurt*, through four layers of gloves.
>I don't want to have a run-in with whatever that chemical was again. Maybe
>methyline (?) chloride.
Probably was. I'm no expert on paint removers, but suggest you roll over to
Lowe's or HD and check the labels, allowing for their being slightly
optimistic.
Good luck.
Charlie Self
"Analyzing humor is like dissecting a frog. Few people are interested and the
frog dies of it." E. B. White
Had nothing to do with me. There were a few people on hear that seemed to
have the need to express their feelings of inadequacy though. :)
"Conan the Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> You must have missed my original post in this thread. Before CW
> turned it into a gruntfest, I wrote:
>
> > If you absolutely *must* have plastic, you might try Lori in Parts
> > at Stanley Works at 800-262-2161. I don't know if that number is
> > current, but she has been a great help in the past to folks looking for
> > parts for Stanley stuff.
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Michael,
I think it would be more cost effective to refinish the handles you already
have. A cheap can of spray paint goes for about 2-5 bucks. The cheapest I
have seen (wooden) handles go for is about 30.
Heck, being non collectors you could paint them in a number of color
schemes. :-)
rik
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RWC3
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have a 1960-era Stanley #5 with black lacquer on the tote and knob. I
> polished it out with 000 steel wool and wax, and it looks pretty good.
> However, it's still subtly rough, and after a day of slinging this plane
> around, it really started to irritate my hands.
>
> I could strip off the paint, sand the wood and repaint or wax or
something,
> but this plane is no collector, and I really don't care about wood vs.
> plastic. I like the plastic "faux rosewood" handles on my other plane
> (modern #4) just fine, and I greatly prefer the larger knob too.
>
> I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
> the day here.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
Let me assure you, you don't have a lock on hard work. As I said, never
bothered me.
"Conan The Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
>
> > [snip of plastic plane knob and tote being slippery when you sweat]
> >
> > Never bothered me.
>
> Then I would guess that you've never scrubbed, surfaced and smoothed
> boards in an un-airconditioned garage/workshop when it's 100 degrees
> with 80% humidity.
>
>
> Chuck Vance
> Just say (tmPL) So did you have anything at all to contribute to
> this thread, other than what a rugged he-man you are?
>
>
>
Never bothered me.
"Conan the Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<omaub.226287$Tr4.669941@attbi_s03>...
>
> > You say it isn't a matter of having skin to soft then go on to describe
the
> > symptoms of having skin to soft. I don't have any problems.
>
> Let's try it in real simple terms: Plastic gets slippery. Moreso
> than wood. It's not fun to plane when the knob and tote are slippery
> (no matter how many callouses you have).
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Some of my planes have plastic, some wood. It makes no difference to me. If
I had to have a replacement, and I had a choice, I would go with plastic.
More durable. As for feel, if your hands are soft enough that it makes a
difference, you need new skin.
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Silvan wrote:
> > I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order
of
> > the day here.
>
> If you use your planes very much you'll find that wood feels better than
> plastic. If nothing else it doesn't get sweaty the way plastic does.
> Unless your hands are the size and shape that handles are made for,
> making your own out of wood is a better answer, especialy if you're
> looking for cheaper. I expect that you've got a bandsaw and a sander,
> making a tracing of the handle so that you can set up the angle and hole
> placement is the only difficult part. For some reason, plane handles
> seem awfully small to me. Perhaps because guys tend to be larger now
> than they were 100 or so years ago. Unfortunately handlew sizes haven't
> changed. make handles to fit your hands, you'll be happier.
>
> Dave in Fairfax
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> use:
> daveldr at att dot net
You finished your yet?
"Andy Dingley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:10:25 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Real men have that. :)
>
> What's a Real Man ?
> The sort who's not afraid to sew his own skirts? 8-)
>
Glad we got that cleared up.
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Alright CW I
> admit it, you're more of a man than any of us and more knowledgable
> about running a business
Silvan <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I have a 1960-era Stanley #5 with black lacquer on the tote and knob.
> I polished it out with 000 steel wool and wax, and it looks pretty
> good. However, it's still subtly rough, and after a day of slinging
> this plane around, it really started to irritate my hands.
You don't want plastic, then. There's a parting line down the center
of the plastic handles, which will quickly wear a hole in your hand.
I'd suggest either spending some time with a bit of sandpaper smoothing
the handle you've got, or look for a replacement wood handle (someone
sells them, but I don't recall who, unfortunately).
John
[email protected] wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Silvan wrote:
>> OK, that's actually correct. Now if we could just get the state
>> government and my mortgage company on board. (I *wish* I owned the
>> house they drew up all the papers for. I wonder what would have
>> happened if I had signed them. Dr. Jones? I just bought your house.
>> It's here in black and white. Get out. :)
>
> I'm glad I sent them the right direction, they should be there by the
> end of the week.
> Dave in Fairfax
Todd,
'Pears that Mr. Silvan appreciated your effort and you beat me into
sending him a tote. You're the lucky one. I made up few few blanks with
some cherry cutoffs I had and am rasping them into shape. Was going to send
one to Mike.
I find it's easier to drill the tote before you cut the angle and shape.
Don't have a lathe yet, so I don't do knobs (plane knobs that is).
Regards,
Hank
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On 23-Nov-2003, [email protected] wrote:
> I suspect that a drill held upright in a table would work, it
> isn't anything fancy, you're just knocking the corners off.
I've used a Dremel with a sanding drum to make a hand grip, though
not for a plane. In my case, it was an assymetric grip. Easy.
Mike
No one, I don't have one.
"Mike" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<wtsvb.264663$HS4.2361153@attbi_s01>...
> > I simply stated that it doesn't bother me.
>
> Bzzzzt! You said: "As for feel, if your hands are soft enough that it
makes a
> difference, you need new skin."
>
> > Don't blame me for your inferiority complex.
>
> Who do you blame for yours?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
Henry St.Pierre wrote:
> Don't have a lathe yet, so I don't do knobs (plane knobs that is).
I have a lathe, but I don't get to take it back out of the box again until
Christmas. I've never turned anything on a lathe (a drill press, yes) so I
have no idea what kind of learning curve I'm looking at before I can turn
out a good knob. Maybe I can hook you up.
At the moment, what I have is piles and piles of Norway maple, but I'm
keeping my eyes out for anything and everything turnable.
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Silvan wrote:
> I have a 1960-era Stanley #5 with black lacquer on the tote and knob. I
> polished it out with 000 steel wool and wax, and it looks pretty good.
> However, it's still subtly rough, and after a day of slinging this plane
> around, it really started to irritate my hands.
>
> I could strip off the paint, sand the wood and repaint or wax or something,
> but this plane is no collector, and I really don't care about wood vs.
> plastic. I like the plastic "faux rosewood" handles on my other plane
> (modern #4) just fine, and I greatly prefer the larger knob too.
>
> I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
> the day here.
If you absolutely *must* have plastic, you might try Lori in Parts
at Stanley Works at 800-262-2161. I don't know if that number is
current, but she has been a great help in the past to folks looking for
parts for Stanley stuff.
I can't really imagine why you'd want the stuff though. It's
slippery if you sweat, and that leads to blisters, plus the little
raised part from the molding process leads to blisters, IME.
Better to strip and re-finish the wooden ones or get some wooden
replacements, IMHO.
Chuck Vance
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:16:24 +0000, Andy Dingley
<[email protected]> brought forth from the murky depths:
>On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:10:25 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Real men have that. :)
>
>What's a Real Man ?
>The sort who's not afraid to sew his own skirts? 8-)
That rrrrrreminds me of an old joke, Andy.
A Scotsman lived in a wee village, but he kept a couple of hens so he
could
have an egg for breakfast. This situation worked very nicely for a
long
time. Then, to everyone's displeasure, a tribe of Englishmen moved in
next
door. One morning the Scotsman went out to collect his morning egg and
found that the bloody hen had slipped over the fence and deposited
said orb
in the garden of the Sasenach. Just as he was about to climb over the
fence and grab his egg, the Englishman appeared at the garden gate,
bent
over and picked up the egg.
"I'll hae ye knaw that'll just git me ain ekk," said the Scotsman. As
you
might expect, the Lime Juicer didn't quite see it the same way.
"I'll have to beg your pardon, sir," said the Englishman, "but the hen
deposited the egg in my garden, so I'm afraid I must claim it as my
own."
"Wull," said auld Jock, "in me ain clan, we settle sich disputes in
tus way:
I'll haul off and gie ye a rrrright kick in the crutch, and see how
lang it
taks ye tae git up. Then ye haul aff and gie me a rrrrright kick in
MY
crutch and see just haw lang it taks ME tae git up. Whoever gits up
the
fastest gets tae kip t'ekk."
The Englishman agreed and auld Jock went into his byre and found his
biggest, heaviest boots, put them on and took a running start at the
Limey.
He gave him an almighty kick bang in the balls and the Englishman
rolled
around in the ground, clutching his nuts and howling in agony. It
took
damned near a half hour before he could regain his feet.
"Now," said the Englishman, "it's my own turn!"
"Ahhh," said auld Jock, "jist keep 't fookin' ekk!"
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CW wrote:
> [snip of plastic plane knob and tote being slippery when you sweat]
>
> Never bothered me.
Then I would guess that you've never scrubbed, surfaced and smoothed
boards in an un-airconditioned garage/workshop when it's 100 degrees
with 80% humidity.
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) So did you have anything at all to contribute to
this thread, other than what a rugged he-man you are?
Hey Chuck,
I'm over 6'6", nearly 280 lbs can hit a baseball well over 450 ft., can swim
two miles in 45 minutes and I can ^H^H^H^H^H^H (had a to delete something
there...) I'll be the first (well, second) to admit those plastic handles
make mince meat outta my paws when I get serious with a plane. Might as
well take a Mapp gas torch to my delicate skin as endure the nasty plastic
handles. Life is too short.
O'Deen - hamfisted galoot, broad-shouldered Irish/Cuban bastard, plenty
secure enough to prefer his hands not have friggin' blisters from horrid
plastic handles.
"Conan The Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
>
> > [snip of plastic plane knob and tote being slippery when you sweat]
> >
> > Never bothered me.
>
> Then I would guess that you've never scrubbed, surfaced and smoothed
> boards in an un-airconditioned garage/workshop when it's 100 degrees
> with 80% humidity.
>
>
> Chuck Vance
> Just say (tmPL) So did you have anything at all to contribute to
> this thread, other than what a rugged he-man you are?
>
>
>
Patrick Olguin wrote:
> Hey Chuck,
>
> I'm over 6'6", nearly 280 lbs can hit a baseball well over 450 ft., can swim
> two miles in 45 minutes and I can ^H^H^H^H^H^H (had a to delete something
> there...) I'll be the first (well, second) to admit those plastic handles
> make mince meat outta my paws when I get serious with a plane. Might as
> well take a Mapp gas torch to my delicate skin as endure the nasty plastic
> handles. Life is too short.
Yeah, to me it's like the Crapsman issue; I woodwork for fun, even
though I make useful things in the process. Why would I choose tools
that make it less enjoyable? Especially when it doesn't cost any more
to get a plane that's better in every way than the recent-vintage
Stanleys (with plastic crap knob and tote).
OK, CW ... here's where you're supposed to say, "It never bothered
me. I walk barefoot on hot coals while I woodwork. Wanna see my
scars?"
> O'Deen - hamfisted galoot, broad-shouldered Irish/Cuban bastard, plenty
> secure enough to prefer his hands not have friggin' blisters from horrid
> plastic handles
Chuck Vance (Cuban/German/Scottish/Irish bastard who feels the
same)
CW wrote:
> I simply stated that it doesn't bother me. Don't blame me for your
> inferiority complex.
Actually, what you've done is continually show your macho complex.
Overcompensation isn't pretty.
BTW, just so we're clear on this: By all means please keep using
planes with plastic handles. Save the good ones for those of us who are
smart enough to tell the difference.
Chuck Vance
Just say (tmPL) Well, I'm off to Mexico for a week. Don't miss
me too much, honey.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:57:59 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Lee Valley sells em.
>I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
>the day here.
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:39:48 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>You say it isn't a matter of having skin to soft then go on to describe the
>symptoms of having skin to soft. I don't have any problems.
That's because you have a thick and impervious hide.
[email protected] wrote:
>> Dunno, the Corinthian rosewood hasn't bothered me at all compared to the
>> old
>> paint. That's no comparison against new paint or bare wood though.
>
> I musta missed something. Rosewood is wood, not plastic, it shouldn't
> cause you any problems. Chipped paint or any paint for that matter is a
> step down from smooth wood.
Don't you remember those Ricardo Montalban commercials for Chrysler,
advertising "rich Corinthian leather?" It was vinyl. The plastic handles
on my contemporary plane are molded from a vaguely rosewood-colored
plastic. I was trying to be clever. :)
> A tote isn't hard to cut out of a board with a band or scroll saw. if
I'll say again that it would be a real undertaking. Cut out with coping
saw, shape with rasps, sand, sand, sand, sand, sand. I don't have any
power tools that would make this job easier, and little skill at using hand
tools to produce this kind of shape. I could easily spend a week on it.
Easily. I don't have a week to waste.
Maybe soak the painted wooden handles in lacquer thinner? 1962-67, it's
probably nitro lacquer, right?
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"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<wtsvb.264663$HS4.2361153@attbi_s01>...
> I simply stated that it doesn't bother me.
Bzzzzt! You said: "As for feel, if your hands are soft enough that it makes a
difference, you need new skin."
> Don't blame me for your inferiority complex.
Who do you blame for yours?
Cheers,
Mike
I said that it didn't bother me. Anything beyond that was dreamed up by
you. That's not my problem.
"Conan The Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
> > I simply stated that it doesn't bother me. Don't blame me for your
> > inferiority complex.
>
> Actually, what you've done is continually show your macho complex.
> Overcompensation isn't pretty.
>
> BTW, just so we're clear on this: By all means please keep using
> planes with plastic handles. Save the good ones for those of us who are
> smart enough to tell the difference.
>
>
> Chuck Vance
> Just say (tmPL) Well, I'm off to Mexico for a week. Don't miss
> me too much, honey.
>
>
>
>
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:10:25 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Real men have that. :)
What's a Real Man ?
The sort who's not afraid to sew his own skirts? 8-)
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 05:05:50 GMT, "CW" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>You finished your yet?
Haven't even started it. There's a big sackful of cotton moleskin
sitting here, and I'm sure at least one Utilikilt will get made
someday.
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[email protected] wrote:
> If you use your planes very much you'll find that wood feels better than
> plastic. If nothing else it doesn't get sweaty the way plastic does.
Dunno, the Corinthian rosewood hasn't bothered me at all compared to the old
paint. That's no comparison against new paint or bare wood though.
> Unless your hands are the size and shape that handles are made for,
> making your own out of wood is a better answer, especialy if you're
> looking for cheaper. I expect that you've got a bandsaw and a sander,
Agreed, but not easy. I'm not much good with curvy things. Doing a proper
tote would be an undertaking.
How about I put this in a different perspective. I'm having to do a hell of
a lot of planing for a project that I need to get finished before
Christmas. (I've generated about four cubic feet of shavings already, with
at least twice that much to go yet.) All money is going into the project,
and I have nothing to spare for equipment, so I'm looking for a cheap,
immediate, stop-gap way to make the plane more agreeable to use.
I don't have time to waste screwing around making handles for it right now,
and I don't have time to waste screwing around with stripping it right now
either. Insufficient heat, cold weather, and time is running out fast.
That's why I was thinking of some el-crappo plastic handles for the time
being. After Christmas, both planes will probably get walnut knobs, at the
very least, after I learn how to use my new lathe. :)
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You say it isn't a matter of having skin to soft then go on to describe the
symptoms of having skin to soft. I don't have any problems.
"Conan the Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<Oehtb.154463$9E1.776175@attbi_s52>...
>
> > Some of my planes have plastic, some wood. It makes no difference to me.
If
> > I had to have a replacement, and I had a choice, I would go with
plastic.
> > More durable. As for feel, if your hands are soft enough that it makes a
> > difference, you need new skin.
>
> It's not a matter of having skin that's too soft, it's a matter of
> having hands that sweat. When hands sweat, plastic plane knobs and
> totes get slippery. When knobs and totes get slippery, it becomes
> harder to control the plane, plus blisters are more likely. There's
> also the rib from the molding that tends to sit right in the web of
> your hand and rub.
>
> FWIW, given a choice, I take a knob and tote with nothing but an
> oil or oil/wax finish rather than high-gloss of any sort. When I use
> my planes, I am using them for everything from dimensioning to
> surfacing to smoothing, and I want the tote and knob to be comfortable
> to use.
>
>
> Chuck Vance
Tom Watson wrote:
> As fer "freeform", the form is naye free and ye have a fair simulacrum
> of its shape sitting 'pon yer plane, just say.
OK, maybe that was a poor choice of words. How about "complex, curvy,
rounded shape" then?
Anyway, whatever.
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[email protected] wrote:
> Keeeriste! I thought we'd put this to bed. Silvan, check your mail, I
> sent you half a dozen tote blanks.
Ugh... Since you decided to send'em anyway, we should have confirmed the
address first. :)
If you got it off the web somewhere, chances are Dr. Jones will be wondering
WTF he just got in the mail.
(Kinda funny... He's my doctor, and when my bills go to the wrong house,
they go to his house. He doesn't pay them.)
Well, anyway, thanks!
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Tom Watson wrote:
> Ye prolly got the early makings
> Cut off stock that's there for taking
As I already discussed at some length, I absolutely suck at making smooth,
symmetrical, rounded freeform shapes out of wood.
Sure would have been nice if everyone could have avoided being so
self-righteous about it.
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 21:19:20 -0500, Silvan
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Meanwhile the cracked old paint on this #5 is driving me nuts, and I really
>wish I had some nice smooth plastic ones instead. <sigh>
Scrape the handles clean, and re-finish. That brittle lacquer comes
off easily, and it's much more annoying than a plastic handle, when
it's in that half-flaked state.
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[email protected] wrote:
> your 1/4" drill bit and tighten the talble up. place your vise on the
It's a 1/4" hole? That's convenient. I have a really long 1/4" bit for
some reason.
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Do an ebay search on "stanley tote" and "stanley knob"
You'll find a nice assortmant.
SH
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have a 1960-era Stanley #5 with black lacquer on the tote and knob. I
> polished it out with 000 steel wool and wax, and it looks pretty good.
> However, it's still subtly rough, and after a day of slinging this plane
> around, it really started to irritate my hands.
>
> I could strip off the paint, sand the wood and repaint or wax or
something,
> but this plane is no collector, and I really don't care about wood vs.
> plastic. I like the plastic "faux rosewood" handles on my other plane
> (modern #4) just fine, and I greatly prefer the larger knob too.
>
> I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
> the day here.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> I've seen rosewood, but does anybody carry plastic? Cheap is the order of
>> the day here.
Fie upon thee little beastie
Are yer hands so blast an yeasty
That ye'd set them predeceased ye
'Pon some thing so dead
'Tis not that I reject the plastic
(Tho this instance makes me spastic)
Yer suggestion's quite fantastic
(Please, see supra, "dead")
Wood is what a tote is made of
Wood is what the knob is made of
Boddie iron wood or both love
Neither do I dread
But if ye value aught yer skin
And if ye would make fat wood thin
(And if ye would not live in sin)
Hearken what is said
Ye prolly got the early makings
Cut off stock that's there for taking
Set yer hand tho it be shaking
'Pon some Oaken Red
Or White or Walnut brown and true
Or Rosewood fer the chosen few
Ye might consider using Yew
Ye've got te use yer head
The fittings are an easy make
Ye prolly got the wood to take
Ye need not have the plastic fake
Gar Lad, yer better dead
(with the vaguest of apologies to robbie burns)
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
I simply stated that it doesn't bother me. Don't blame me for your
inferiority complex.
"Conan The Librarian" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> CW wrote:
>
> > Let me assure you, you don't have a lock on hard work. As I said, never
> > bothered me.
>
> Ever see the SNL skit with the gameshow called "Quien es mas macho"?
>
>
> Chuck Vance
> Just say (tmPL) You'd be a natural.
>