On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:33:31 -0400, G. Ross wrote:
> They were used to measure the circumference of the wooden wheel then
> transfer this measurement to the straight metal strip to cut it the
> right length to fit over the wooden wheel. Try doing that with a
> yardstick.
Then redefine pi.
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Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> I looked it up. It is called a traveller or wheelwright's traveller.
> http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/478817
>
> Now my confusion is greatly reduced. I still have the nitpicking issue
> that wheels have to be round. The traveller, run around the
> circumference doesn't check that the wheel isn't slightly elliptical.
> If the wheelwright spins the wheel to check that it is round, then a
> yardstick should do a good job of checking the size. But... I've
> learned not to argue with or question a professional doing his job.
>
>
Snip
They were used to measure the circumference of the wooden wheel then
transfer this measurement to the straight metal strip to cut it the
right length to fit over the wooden wheel. Try doing that with a
yardstick.
--
GW Ross
"I collect rare photographs... I have two... One of Houdini locking his
keys in his car... the other is a rare picture of Norman Rockwell
beating up a child." --S. Wright
On 4/11/2013 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
2843 looks like a tamper proof ring... usually used on electric meters
from the utility company, but also on tractor trailers doors to show
that the door was not opened since packing.
Older type that I don't see anymore.
--
Jeff
On 12/04/2013 5:18 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bluey69 says...
>>
>> On 11/04/2013 5:35 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>>
>> 2841 is a spoon bit for cutting circular mortises in legs of chairs to
>> fit round tenons into. The square tapered endfits into the chuck of a
>> hand brace .
>
>
> It does look similar to a spoon bit but according a link I found it was used for
> a
> different purpose.
>
The only other thing that comes to mind is a plug cutter for making
wooden plugs .
Other than that Im done.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2013 19:44:30 -0400, Bill <[email protected]>
wrote:
>woodchucker wrote:
>> On 4/11/2013 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
2844. My guess would be a key for unbolting a manhole cover.
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Still a problem with cross-posting replies...
I posted:
> 2839: a surveyor's wheel
It certainly looks like a wheel used to measure length, but I was/am
confused. I don't see a turns-counter. Without a rotation counter, I'd
expect the use to be limited to distances of only a few circumferences,
and I find it hard to imagine the specific use.
as a response to mbuck's post on rec.puzzles, but it didn't show up here.
On 4/11/2013 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
In article <[email protected]>, Alexander Thesoso says...
>
>Still a problem with cross-posting replies...
>I posted:
>
> > 2839: a surveyor's wheel
>It certainly looks like a wheel used to measure length, but I was/am
>confused. I don't see a turns-counter. Without a rotation counter, I'd
>expect the use to be limited to distances of only a few circumferences,
>and I find it hard to imagine the specific use.
>
>as a response to mbuck's post on rec.puzzles, but it didn't show up here.
I think the issue here is in the particular post from mbuck, when I click reply
to
him it only lists rec.puzzles, when I click reply on someone else's post, it
lists
all three groups. I think this is because he only posted his reply to
rec.puzzles
and not the other two.
Btw, I'm glad that thing are back to normal with most all of the replies in one
thread, it's much easy for me that way.
Rob
In article <[email protected]>, Bluey69 says...
>
>On 11/04/2013 5:35 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
>2841 is a spoon bit for cutting circular mortises in legs of chairs to
>fit round tenons into. The square tapered endfits into the chuck of a
>hand brace .
It does look similar to a spoon bit but according a link I found it was used for
a
different purpose.
In article <[email protected]>, j Burns says...
>
>On 4/11/13 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
>2839: Used to measure the circumference of a wheel. Mismatched wheels
>could cause customer annoyance.
I usually don't reply to answers for items that are also on Neatorama, but since
someone already got it I'll go ahead and say that this is correct. Or at least
mostly correct, the Dictionary of American Hand Tools has a slightly different
definition for this tool.
On 4/11/13 4:00 PM, Rob H. wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, j Burns says...
>>
>> On 4/11/13 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>
>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob
>>>
>> 2839: Used to measure the circumference of a wheel. Mismatched wheels
>> could cause customer annoyance.
>
>
> I usually don't reply to answers for items that are also on Neatorama, but since
> someone already got it I'll go ahead and say that this is correct. Or at least
> mostly correct, the Dictionary of American Hand Tools has a slightly different
> definition for this tool.
>
I was so curious, I went to Neatorama. I couldn't find it. My
grandfather was once a wheelwright. What if he'd put on a wheel 3"
bigger than the others!
woodchucker wrote:
> On 4/11/2013 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>> This week's set has been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>>
> 2843 looks like a tamper proof ring... usually used on electric meters
> from the utility company, but also on tractor trailers doors to show
> that the door was not opened since packing.
> Older type that I don't see anymore.
>
>
#2843: How about a tool for cutting cord or wire? It would be easier to
carry in your pocket much better than manyalternatives.
Bill
WW wrote:
> 2839. distance measuring wheel??
>
> "Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
#2843 Maybe the "conductor" used it to mark/clip tickets on passenger
railways(it might also be handy to have in a scuffle).
Bill
WW wrote:
> 2839. distance measuring wheel??
>
> "Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
#2843 -- I got it. It's a key ring.Here is "corroborating evidence":
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Antique-1879-Brass-Key-Ring-Holder-Two-Brass-Keys-Excellent-L-K-/300853671073?pt=Architectural_Garden&hash=item460c46b4a1&ssPageName=RSS:B:SHOP:US:101
Bill
I looked it up. It is called a traveller or wheelwright's traveller.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/478817
Now my confusion is greatly reduced. I still have the nitpicking issue
that wheels have to be round. The traveller, run around the
circumference doesn't check that the wheel isn't slightly elliptical.
If the wheelwright spins the wheel to check that it is round, then a
yardstick should do a good job of checking the size. But... I've
learned not to argue with or question a professional doing his job.
On 4/11/2013 6:24 PM, j Burns wrote:
> On 4/11/13 4:00 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, j Burns says...
>>>
>>> On 4/11/13 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> This week's set has been posted:
>>>>
>>>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rob
>>>>
>>> 2839: Used to measure the circumference of a wheel. Mismatched wheels
>>> could cause customer annoyance.
>>
>>
>> I usually don't reply to answers for items that are also on Neatorama,
>> but since
>> someone already got it I'll go ahead and say that this is correct. Or
>> at least
>> mostly correct, the Dictionary of American Hand Tools has a slightly
>> different
>> definition for this tool.
>>
> I was so curious, I went to Neatorama. I couldn't find it. My
> grandfather was once a wheelwright. What if he'd put on a wheel 3"
> bigger than the others!
"Ted Schuerzinger" <
> wrote in message
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:33:31 -0400, G. Ross
> wrote:
>
>> They were used to measure the circumference of
>> the wooden wheel then
>> transfer this measurement to the straight metal
>> strip to cut it the
>> right length to fit over the wooden wheel. Try
>> doing that with a
>> yardstick.
>
> Then redefine pi.
>
> --
> Ted S.
With this tool mathematical equations are not
required.
Simple as you can get....
On 4/12/13 6:08 AM, Alexander Thesoso wrote:
> I looked it up. It is called a traveller or wheelwright's traveller.
> http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/478817
>
> Now my confusion is greatly reduced. I still have the nitpicking issue
> that wheels have to be round. The traveller, run around the
> circumference doesn't check that the wheel isn't slightly elliptical. If
> the wheelwright spins the wheel to check that it is round, then a
> yardstick should do a good job of checking the size. But... I've
> learned not to argue with or question a professional doing his job.
>
>
Wheels had hubs. Besides, they didn't stay round.
If a customer had a damaged wheel, I think giving it a spin under the
traveler would be an easy to see what size it had been.
Measuring flat iron for a tire was easy: roll the wheel along it, then
cut 2 or 3" longer. Bending it into a circle would shorten it. That's
where the traveler came in: measure the wheel and measure the C-shaped
tire before welding.
>The only other thing that comes to mind is a plug cutter for making
>wooden plugs .
>
>Other than that Im done.
Good guess! Plug cutter is correct. It was a good week, I'm always happy when
the
mystery items all get identified. The answers for this set can be seen here:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/04/set-488.html#answers
Rob
On 4/12/13 4:07 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> The only other thing that comes to mind is a plug cutter for making
>> wooden plugs .
>>
>> Other than that Im done.
>
>
> Good guess! Plug cutter is correct. It was a good week, I'm always happy when
> the
> mystery items all get identified. The answers for this set can be seen here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/04/set-488.html#answers
>
>
> Rob
>
2839: According to H. G. Holmstrom in _Modern__Blacksmithing_ (1904),
the traveler was not required to measure the flat iron. It was used
after the tire was bent into a circle, which was probably irregular.
http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/smithy/chpt4.htm
>>
>2839: According to H. G. Holmstrom in _Modern__Blacksmithing_ (1904),
>the traveler was not required to measure the flat iron. It was used
>after the tire was bent into a circle, which was probably irregular.
>http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/preservation/smithy/chpt4.htm
Thanks for the link, I added it to my answer. I didn't have time to read the
whole
article but will read it later today or tomorrow when I get time.
Rob
On 4/11/13 4:05 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob
>
2846: The arms look spindly. I wonder if they're metal. Near the arms,
there's a wide groove across the board on the side that would be up. I
wonder if it's for slicing through something instead of cutting against
the board. The last raised portion could serve as a visual gage to
slice something into 1" pieces and drop them into a container about 24"
in diameter. I've never seen a barrel of pickled eel.
2848: Are the push buttons electrical? There are mirror sundials.
Perhaps XI is for the hour around 11 AM and the XII is for the hour
around noon.
On 11 Apr 2013 01:05:26 -0700, Rob H. wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
2839. If 2839 is 24" in circumference, then it's fairly likely designed
to measure something, with the measurement probably done by using the
device the way you'd use one of those round pizza cutters. The pointer
would seem to indecate that too. Rope measurer?
2843: Early-model carabiner?
Now I get to see how wrong I am. :-)
--
Ted S.
fedya at hughes dot net
Now blogging at http://justacineast.blogspot.com
Phil Kangas wrote:
>
> "Ted Schuerzinger" <
> > wrote in message
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 06:33:31 -0400, G. Ross
> > wrote:
> >
> >> They were used to measure the circumference of
> >> the wooden wheel then
> >> transfer this measurement to the straight metal
> >> strip to cut it the
> >> right length to fit over the wooden wheel. Try
> >> doing that with a
> >> yardstick.
> >
> > Then redefine pi.
> >
> > --
> > Ted S.
>
> With this tool mathematical equations are not
> required.
You don't need a mathematical equation if you simply
put the correct markings on the measuring stick.
Seems like measuring with a non-elastic string or
wire would be more accurate than running a wheel
around another wheel.
2839. distance measuring wheel??
"Rob H." wrote in message news:[email protected]...
This week's set has been posted:
http://55tools.blogspot.com/
Rob
On 2013-04-11, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> This week's set has been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
O.K. You're back to full distribution. :-)
Photobucket still does not like my brower.
Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.
2839) The circumference makes it clear (you could have made it a little
more difficult by posting the diameter instead. :-) -- it is a
rolling wheel to measure linear paths up to two feet. You can
set the pointer to where you want before starting to roll -- or
turn the wheel until the pointer is where you want it.
If you need to go beyond two feet, you will have to keep count
of complete turns of the wheel -- perhaps with a dab of
contrasting paint on one of the spokes.
2840) A tool to compress something -- likely a front suspension
spring from an automobile. Though it looks a little light
weight for the purpose (say I without having a chance to try to
lift it. :-)
2841) Well ... it fits in a brace of the Brace-and-Bit style, based on
the long tapered pyramid on the left.
Looks like it fits onto a hole in some form of guide and cuts
something clamped between the guide and a backing piece, likely
both made of wood. :-) I would suspect that it is for making
circular pads of leather.
If it did not have a bevel edge on it (which is clearly visible
in the second photo) I would think that it might be a wrench to
fit into a cylindrical enclosure and to unscrew something from
there. (Like perhaps part of a water valve.)
2842) Well ... it clamps onto something cylindrical (perhaps a rifle
barrel) and is prevented from rotating by the slot at 10:00 in
the second photo engaging the front sight. This would put the
roller pretty close to dead center under the barrel. Perhaps for
some form of benchrest shooting of moving targets, so you could
roll the front across the bench while not having to support the
full weight of the arm.
2843) Assuming that the color is not from Anodized aluminum, but rather
bronze, If that were a "MD" instead of a "MO' at the end of the
address, I would think that it had to do with sailboats, but
there is not anything like that there that I know of.
It looks as though it locks onto a wire or cable by rotating the
button at the end.
Hmm ... perhaps part of the way a mail bag was picked up (or
dropped off) by a moving train going through the station.
Perhaps this had Chilicothe as the destination?
2844) This looks like a wrench for unscrewing bungs from metal
barrels (drums) of oil or solvents prior to screwing in a pump
or a tap.
Now to post and see what others have suggested.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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On 2013-04-11, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Alexander Thesoso says...
>>
>>Still a problem with cross-posting replies...
>>I posted:
>>
>> > 2839: a surveyor's wheel
>>It certainly looks like a wheel used to measure length, but I was/am
[ ... ]
>>as a response to mbuck's post on rec.puzzles, but it didn't show up here.
> I think the issue here is in the particular post from mbuck, when I click reply
> to
> him it only lists rec.puzzles, when I click reply on someone else's post, it
> lists
> all three groups. I think this is because he only posted his reply to
> rec.puzzles
> and not the other two.
Which is actually how proper netquette expects us to behave.
However, I have no desire to follow the other two newsgroups (just
rec.crafts.metalworking), and I'm sure that others feel the same way, so
I consider this to be an exception to the restriction of followups to a
single newsgroup. (And my newsreader reminds me every time I post in
these threads. :-)
There is even a "Followup-To: " header to force the discussion
to a specific newsgroup when it has been started cross-posted to gather
interest. (And a bit of a "puzzlement" to those who don't notice it,
and don't see what they posted in the newsgroup in which they posted the
reply -- sometimes the try again and again. :-)
> Btw, I'm glad that thing are back to normal with most all of the replies in one
> thread, it's much easy for me that way.
Agreed.
Enjoy,
DoN.
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