Feit LED Shop Lights at Costco!

On 3/9/2015 10:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!

Going to search these out. Even though I've had to stand too close to
drummers for too many years, I've got some the 4' BORG fixtures that are
humming B flat loud enough for me to hear them.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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On Thursday, March 12, 2015 at 12:21:03 PM UTC-4, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/12/15 7:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> > On 3/9/2015 10:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>
> >> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
> >> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!
> >
> > Going to search these out. Even though I've had to stand too close to
> > drummers for too many years, I've got some the 4' BORG fixtures that are
> > humming B flat loud enough for me to hear them.
> >
> > Thanks for the heads-up.
> >
>
> And hear I thought they sounded like A sharp. :-p
>
>

And always remember when crossing the street: C sharp or B flat.

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:44:33 -0500, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>
>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy
>>> some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes
>>> in.
>>>
>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the
>>> shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to
>>> be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing
>>> department thinks we're all too afraid of new things.
>>>
>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in
>>> the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light
>>> out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to
>>> diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at the light
>>> without being blinded.
>>>
>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts
>>> per fixture! This is less than half what my previous florescent
>>> fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt
>>> bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
>>> absolutely no heat.
>>>
>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or
>>> more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing
>>> ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>>>
>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and
>>> are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a
>>> year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>
>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
>>> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super
>>> bright!
>>>
>>>
>> Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
>> of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
>> with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
>> greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
>> cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
>> than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
>> pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
>> enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
>> a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
>> kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
>> fail.
>>
>
>I don't know about their real-life failure rate because it's probably
>too early to tell on such a newer technology. In my experience LEDs are
>already proving to have many, many times the life of incandescent bulbs
>and so much longer than CFLs that it's worth the extra cost even if all
>others things were equal.... which they aren't.
>
>Setting aside all the political reasons I have for disliking CFLs,
>almost everything else about them is terrible. Terrible light temps,
>slow start-ups, they seem to brighten and dim themselves, and much
>shorter life than rated for.
>
>Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
>advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
>efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
>CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
>light they produce.

The main problem I have found with led lights is the waste heat can be
excessive, thought about that perhaps lighting needs a 12 volt ac
system. As most leds drop only 1.2v to 1.5v depending upon color.

But what do I know.

Mark

>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>>>>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
>>>>>>> buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
>>>>>>> shipment comes in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>>>>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>>>>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>>>>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
>>>>>>> the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
>>>>>>> light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
>>>>>>> marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
>>>>>>> in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
>>>>>>> light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
>>>>>>> tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
>>>>>>> the light without being blinded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>>>>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
>>>>>>> 38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
>>>>>>> florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
>>>>>>> of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
>>>>>>> cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
>>>>>>> $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
>>>>>>> replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
>>>>>>> well as tubes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
>>>>>>> and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
>>>>>>> days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
>>>>>>> and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
>>>>>>> super bright!

I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright white)
What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the color temp (if
it's available)?

Thanks
Max

On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:
>>


>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>
>> Thanks Max
>>
>
> 3,700 lumens.
> 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
> more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
> colors in this temp.
>

Thanks.
So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...

On 3/11/2015 9:49 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/11/15 10:17 AM, Max wrote:
>> On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>>>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>>>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Max
>>>>
>>>
>>> 3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
>>> prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
>>> neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...
>>
>>
>
> I'm curious to know if they have them in stock and their price, if you
> wouldn't mind reporting back.
> It's funny to see how different Costcos carry different products and can
> have vastly different prices. When I was researching these I saw that
> another store in another state had a regular price that was the same as
> the special sale price at my local store.
> What city are you in?
>
>
El Paso, TX. Will report back later today. ;-)

Well, dayum! No such lights at local Costco. I looked all over the
store and finally asked someone.
"Sometimes they have items online that we don't carry"

BAH!
I did find an LED sentry light That I'll use to replace one on the shop
that's disfunctional. ;-)
Maybe I should re-word that. The shop is functional. The sentry light on
it isn't.

Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> One more hit on the cfl's is the bug light is just yellow.
> It doesn't repel bugs like the old bug lights and when the
> porch lights are turned on - no light to save a life.
>
> I like the cfl flood light I put into the pantry. Always cool.
> Very bright. And the floods seem to light faster than other cfl.
>
> I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
> There is ample light. Runs cool.
>
> Martin
>


Speaking of bugs, we replaced incandescant bulbs with LEDs in one outdoor
fixture. The second fixture (identical, about 20' away) had LEDs. The
fixture with LEDs attract fewer bugs. I didn't count or anything, but
the difference was plain to see.

LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard that
on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote in news:WEtMw.12880
[email protected]:

> Just because one forgot to put 'each' -
>
> 2 bulbs each in three holders. 2 x 3 = 6.
>
> One can cut them into 1/3 power easily :-)
>
> Martin
>

Yes, but who would take the cubed root of a light bulb?

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 3/12/2015 1:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Martin Eastburn <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> One more hit on the cfl's is the bug light is just yellow.
>> It doesn't repel bugs like the old bug lights and when the
>> porch lights are turned on - no light to save a life.
>>
>> I like the cfl flood light I put into the pantry. Always cool.
>> Very bright. And the floods seem to light faster than other cfl.
>>
>> I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
>> There is ample light. Runs cool.
>>
>> Martin
>>
>
>
> Speaking of bugs, we replaced incandescant bulbs with LEDs in one outdoor
> fixture. The second fixture (identical, about 20' away) had LEDs. The
> fixture with LEDs attract fewer bugs. I didn't count or anything, but
> the difference was plain to see.

Now that you mention that.....I have noticed that there are little to no
bugs that collect around our coach lights at our driveway. About a year
ago I put in LED bulbs. I wonder too if it is not only the light but
also the warmth that incandescent lights put out that may attract the
critters.



>
> LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard that
> on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...
>
> Puckdropper
>

On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:

>>
>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>
>> Thanks Max
>>
>
> 3,700 lumens.
> 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
> more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
> colors in this temp.
>
>

Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow to
brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at 3000
lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the LED
fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
concentrated and brighter on the bench top.

Hmmm, might have to try one.

One more hit on the cfl's is the bug light is just yellow.
It doesn't repel bugs like the old bug lights and when the
porch lights are turned on - no light to save a life.

I like the cfl flood light I put into the pantry. Always cool.
Very bright. And the floods seem to light faster than other cfl.

I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
There is ample light. Runs cool.

Martin

On 3/11/2015 10:44 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>
>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy
>>> some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes
>>> in.
>>>
>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the
>>> shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to
>>> be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing
>>> department thinks we're all too afraid of new things.
>>>
>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in
>>> the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light
>>> out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to
>>> diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at the light
>>> without being blinded.
>>>
>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts
>>> per fixture! This is less than half what my previous florescent
>>> fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt
>>> bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
>>> absolutely no heat.
>>>
>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or
>>> more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing
>>> ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>>>
>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and
>>> are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a
>>> year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>
>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
>>> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super
>>> bright!
>>>
>>>
>> Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
>> of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
>> with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
>> greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
>> cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
>> than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
>> pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
>> enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
>> a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
>> kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
>> fail.
>>
>
> I don't know about their real-life failure rate because it's probably
> too early to tell on such a newer technology. In my experience LEDs are
> already proving to have many, many times the life of incandescent bulbs
> and so much longer than CFLs that it's worth the extra cost even if all
> others things were equal.... which they aren't.
>
> Setting aside all the political reasons I have for disliking CFLs,
> almost everything else about them is terrible. Terrible light temps,
> slow start-ups, they seem to brighten and dim themselves, and much
> shorter life than rated for.
>
> Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
> advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
> efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
> CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
> light they produce.
>
>

On 3/10/2015 3:03 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/10/15 2:37 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 3/10/2015 12:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>>>>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
>>>>>>> buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
>>>>>>> shipment comes in.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>>>>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>>>>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>>>>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
>>>>>>> the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
>>>>>>> light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
>>>>>>> marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
>>>>>>> in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
>>>>>>> light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
>>>>>>> tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
>>>>>>> the light without being blinded.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>>>>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
>>>>>>> 38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
>>>>>>> florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
>>>>>>> of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
>>>>>>> cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
>>>>>>> $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
>>>>>>> replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
>>>>>>> well as tubes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
>>>>>>> and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
>>>>>>> days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
>>>>>>> and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
>>>>>>> super bright!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> They should have given them to you for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> For all that great review you made.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
>>> trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
>>> service announcement. :-)
>>>
>>>
>> Your review showed up two times. ;)
>
> Yeah! So good, I did it twice!! :-D
> I was having trouble with the news server and thought it didn't post the
> first time.
>
>

It was good! Two times!

-MIKE- wrote:
> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>
> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
> regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
> (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.
>
> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
> efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
> temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
> you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>
> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
> of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
> shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
> we're all too afraid of new things.
>
> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
> shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
> nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
> This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.
>
> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
> accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
> This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
> and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
> watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>
> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
> for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
> entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>
> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
> rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
> use half the energy as florescents.
>
> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!
>
>
They should have given them to you for free.

--
 GW Ross 

 An eye for an eye will make the whole 
 world go blind. - Mahatma Gandhi 

Just because one forgot to put 'each' -

2 bulbs each in three holders. 2 x 3 = 6.

One can cut them into 1/3 power easily :-)

Martin

On 3/12/2015 9:19 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>
>>
>> I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
>
> How did you cut them into thirds?
>

-MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>
>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>
>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
>>> regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
>>> (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.
>>>
>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
>>> efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
>>> temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
>>> you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>
>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
>>> of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
>>> shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
>>> we're all too afraid of new things.
>>>
>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
>>> shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
>>> nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
>>> This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.
>>>
>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
>>> accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
>>> This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
>>> and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
>>> watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>
>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
>>> for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
>>> entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>>>
>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
>>> rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
>>> use half the energy as florescents.
>>>
>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
>>> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!
>>>
>>>
>> They should have given them to you for free.
>>
>
> Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?
>
>
For all that great review you made.

--
 GW Ross 

 

On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:

>
> I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.

How did you cut them into thirds?

I bought a similar unit at Sam's last week for $35. Had the same pleasant r=
esults you did and will replace the fluorescent units as they fail with the=
se LED devices. I never could understand why a ballast cost more than a who=
le new shop light but hopefully no more of those or the tubes. LED lighting=
also helped me with a reading light problem I've had for a while. The 60 w=
att bulb would heat the rotary switch and the plastic knob would not turn =
the threaded metal shaft that serves as the off on switch. Cooling the ligh=
t by unplugging would solve the problem but that was not much of a fix. Tri=
ed a $5 LED light and the no heat factor made the soft plastic switch probl=
em disappear. Now if I could only figure out how to keep my well tank/pump =
safe at sub 32 temperatures without using an incandescent reflector light.

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:19:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>
>>
>> I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
>
>How did you cut them into thirds?

No need to make an cuts. You just multiplex them. When you walk down
the hall, you bring a bulb with you. With two bulbs and three
fixtures you don't have any darkness when moving the lights. ;-)

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 10:14:54 -0400, "G. Ross" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this
>type of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the
>house with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes
>the greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor.
>CONs--They cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only
>slightly longer than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they
>emit fades pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I
>doubt I save enough electricity to make up for the cost difference.
> The LEDs are a relatively new technology, but I have some
>decorative ones in the kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling).
>They DO eventually fail.

I'm glad you asked about the MTBF! I unplugged a LED nite lite in the
hall to get the make & model number for this post. It's been in
continuous use since Oct 2009, I wrote the date on back w/sharpie so I
could see how long it lasted. I say continuous use because after a
couple of weeks of fast flickering during daylight, I painted over the
tiny photocell with a dab of whiteout.

It's China made, 2 led (dim) 'Amertac 71190A'. Googling reveled
it was recalled back in 2012 "Due to Fire and Burn Hazards"!

http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Recalls/2012/LED-Night-Lights-Recalled-by-AmerTac-Due-to-Fire-and-Burn-Hazards/

So THANK you! I'll be replacing it ASAP. But I must say, I've been
pleased with it and impressed with its longevity, about 38K hours.

On 3/12/2015 1:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard that
> on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...

But wait! Act now, and you'll get twice as many...

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-MIKE- wrote:
> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>
> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
> regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
> (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.
>
> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
> efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
> temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
> you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>
> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
> of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
> shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
> we're all too afraid of new things.
>
> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
> shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
> nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
> This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.
>
> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
> accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
> This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
> and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
> watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>
> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
> for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
> entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>
> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
> rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
> use half the energy as florescents.
>
> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!
>
>
Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this
type of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the
house with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes
the greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor.
CONs--They cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only
slightly longer than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they
emit fades pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I
doubt I save enough electricity to make up for the cost difference.
The LEDs are a relatively new technology, but I have some
decorative ones in the kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling).
They DO eventually fail.

--
 GW Ross 

 An eye for an eye will make the whole 
 world go blind. - Mahatma Gandhi 

On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>
>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>
>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks each,
>> regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy some more
>> (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes in.
>>
>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of their
>> efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that they
>> temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the diode, giving
>> you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>
>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the shape
>> of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to be in the
>> shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department thinks
>> we're all too afraid of new things.
>>
>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in the
>> shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light out very
>> nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the light.
>> This means I can look directly at the light without being blinded.
>>
>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that reflects
>> accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts per fixture!
>> This is less than half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed,
>> and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000
>> watts of light for the cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>
>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or more
>> for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or
>> entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>>
>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and are
>> rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and
>> use half the energy as florescents.
>>
>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
>> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!
>>
>>
> They should have given them to you for free.
>

Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?


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On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>
>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
>>>> buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
>>>> shipment comes in.
>>>>
>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>
>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
>>>> the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
>>>> light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
>>>> marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
>>>> in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
>>>> light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
>>>> tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
>>>> the light without being blinded.
>>>>
>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
>>>> 38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
>>>> florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
>>>> of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
>>>> cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>>
>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
>>>> $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
>>>> replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
>>>> well as tubes.
>>>>
>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
>>>> and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
>>>> days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>>
>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
>>>> and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
>>>> super bright!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They should have given them to you for free.
>>>
>>
>> Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?
>>
>>
> For all that great review you made.
>

I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
service announcement. :-)


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On 3/10/15 2:37 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 3/10/2015 12:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>>>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
>>>>>> buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
>>>>>> shipment comes in.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>>>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>>>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>>>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
>>>>>> the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
>>>>>> light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
>>>>>> marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
>>>>>> in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
>>>>>> light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
>>>>>> tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
>>>>>> the light without being blinded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>>>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
>>>>>> 38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
>>>>>> florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
>>>>>> of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
>>>>>> cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
>>>>>> $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
>>>>>> replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
>>>>>> well as tubes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
>>>>>> and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
>>>>>> days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
>>>>>> and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
>>>>>> super bright!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> They should have given them to you for free.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For all that great review you made.
>>>
>>
>> I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
>> trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
>> service announcement. :-)
>>
>>
> Your review showed up two times. ;)

Yeah! So good, I did it twice!! :-D
I was having trouble with the news server and thought it didn't post the
first time.


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On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:
>
>>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32
>>>>>>>> bucks each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be
>>>>>>>> going back to buy some more (even at $40) as soon as
>>>>>>>> their replacement shipment comes in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights
>>>>>>>> because of their efficiency and brightness, however, I
>>>>>>>> hate the fact that they temporarily blind you if you
>>>>>>>> happen to glance right at the diode, giving you that
>>>>>>>> blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED
>>>>>>>> lights in the shape of older light technologies. Do I
>>>>>>>> really need my LED light to be in the shape of an
>>>>>>>> incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing department
>>>>>>>> thinks we're all too afraid of new things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED
>>>>>>>> shop lights in the shape of florescent shop light,
>>>>>>>> because they spread the light out very nicely AND they
>>>>>>>> put a white coating over the tubes to diffuse the
>>>>>>>> light. This means I can look directly at the light
>>>>>>>> without being blinded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral
>>>>>>>> tone that reflects accurate colors for wood finishing.
>>>>>>>> They are only 38watts per fixture! This is less than
>>>>>>>> half what my previous florescent fixtures consumed, and
>>>>>>>> they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm
>>>>>>>> getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
>>>>>>>> absolutely no heat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus
>>>>>>>> the $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in
>>>>>>>> them. I ended up replacing ballasts (or entire fixture)
>>>>>>>> every couple years as well as tubes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up
>>>>>>>> instantly, and are rated to last 30 years in I use them
>>>>>>>> 6 hours a day, 365 days a year, and use half the energy
>>>>>>>> as florescents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely
>>>>>>>> bright, and completely silent. With the white ceiling,
>>>>>>>> the shop is super bright!
>
> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
> color temp (if it's available)?
>
> Thanks Max
>

3,700 lumens.
4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
colors in this temp.


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On 3/11/15 8:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>>
>>> Thanks Max
>>>
>>
>> 3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
>> prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
>> neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.
>>
>>
>
> Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow
> to brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at
> 3000 lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the
> LED fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
> concentrated and brighter on the bench top.
>
> Hmmm, might have to try one.

These seem super bright to me. I do have a flat, white ceiling in the
new garage instead of the open joist one in the old place, so I'm sure
the reflection is helping.

If you get them at Costco, their return policy is second to none, so you
have nothing to lose by trying a couple.


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On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
> -MIKE- wrote:
>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>
>>
>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>
>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to buy
>> some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement shipment comes
>> in.
>>
>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>
>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in the
>> shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED light to
>> be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the marketing
>> department thinks we're all too afraid of new things.
>>
>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights in
>> the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the light
>> out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the tubes to
>> diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at the light
>> without being blinded.
>>
>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only 38watts
>> per fixture! This is less than half what my previous florescent
>> fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent of a 250 watt
>> bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the cost of 152 with
>> absolutely no heat.
>>
>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the $10-12 or
>> more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up replacing
>> ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as well as tubes.
>>
>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly, and
>> are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365 days a
>> year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>
>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
>> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super
>> bright!
>>
>>
> Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
> of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
> with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
> greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
> cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
> than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
> pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
> enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
> a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
> kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
> fail.
>

I don't know about their real-life failure rate because it's probably
too early to tell on such a newer technology. In my experience LEDs are
already proving to have many, many times the life of incandescent bulbs
and so much longer than CFLs that it's worth the extra cost even if all
others things were equal.... which they aren't.

Setting aside all the political reasons I have for disliking CFLs,
almost everything else about them is terrible. Terrible light temps,
slow start-ups, they seem to brighten and dim themselves, and much
shorter life than rated for.

Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
light they produce.


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On 3/11/15 10:17 AM, Max wrote:
> On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:
>>>
>
>
>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>>
>>> Thanks Max
>>>
>>
>> 3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
>> prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
>> neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.
>>
>
> Thanks. So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...
>
>

I'm curious to know if they have them in stock and their price, if you
wouldn't mind reporting back.
It's funny to see how different Costcos carry different products and can
have vastly different prices. When I was researching these I saw that
another store in another state had a regular price that was the same as
the special sale price at my local store.
What city are you in?


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On 3/11/15 12:19 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this
>>> type of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in
>>> the house with screw-in fluorescents several years ago.
>>> PROs--It makes the greenies happy even though they all contain
>>> mercury vapor. CONs--They cost more, at least they did then. The
>>> MTBF is only slightly longer than with regular bulbs in my
>>> experience. The UV they emit fades pictures and fabrics much
>>> faster than incandescents. I doubt I save enough electricity to
>>> make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are a relatively new
>>> technology, but I have some decorative ones in the kitchen (on a
>>> high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually fail.
>>>
>>
>
>> Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
>> advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
>> efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive
>> with CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade
>> away like the light they produce.
>
> I've replaced all my incandescents and all CFLs with LED bulbs from
> costco. Indoor BR-30s for all the cans, globes in the bath, and a
> few A19's for tabletop fixtures. I also picked up one of the
> utility lights that you referred to above to use for task-lighting
> at the workbench (the shop itself is illuminated by 4 fixtures, each
> with 2x F96T12C50s and electronic ballasts). The F96T12s are
> power-hungry, so as 8' LED bulbs become available and _cost
> effective_, the fluorescents will be replaced. Probably with
> pendant mount LS series, similar to these (color temp 5k):
>
> http://www.earthled.com/products/cree-ls8-8-foot-led-surface-mount-ambient-light-fixture-88w-8000-lumens
>
>
>
We have some similar to these at work; quite nice; but not cheap.
>
> I'm very happy with the LED bulbs.
>

Several months ago I got a bunch of retrofit LED fixtures for all the
can lights in out new place from Costco.
Not only are they much lower wattage for brighter light, they are
dimmable. They also installed in about 5 minutes each.


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On 3/11/15 12:21 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> -MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 3/11/15 8:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>>> On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color
>>>>> (bright white) What are the lumens with the lights you
>>>>> describe? And the color temp (if it's available)?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Max
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I
>>>> generally prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these
>>>> are very neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are
>>> slow to brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is
>>> rated at 3000 lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds
>>> like the the LED fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED
>>> light may be more concentrated and brighter on the bench top.
>>>
>>> Hmmm, might have to try one.
>>
>> These seem super bright to me. I do have a flat, white ceiling in
>> the new garage instead of the open joist one in the old place, so
>> I'm sure the reflection is helping.
>
> The LEDs in the costco fixture are pointing straight down; unlike a
> fluorescent bulb, which radiates light all the way around, the LED
> version radiates light downward (diffused somewhat by the enclosing
> tube). That's why these fixtures don't have reflectors.
>

You are correct about the coating on the upper half.
But oddly enough, these actually do have reflectors above the tubes,
which are extremely easy to remove... and I did remove them. I noticed
a shadow above the lights and wondered if I'd get some reflection if I
removed the reflector... and I did. Nothing earth shattering, but
enough that I can tell it puts out a more even dispersion without the
reflector. Seems counter-intuitive, but it works. It also make the
fixtures much lighter.


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On 3/11/15 5:26 PM, Max wrote:
>
> Well, dayum! No such lights at local Costco. I looked all over the
> store and finally asked someone.
> "Sometimes they have items online that we don't carry"
>
> BAH!
> I did find an LED sentry light That I'll use to replace one on the shop
> that's disfunctional. ;-)
> Maybe I should re-word that. The shop is functional. The sentry light on
> it isn't.
>
>

Ahh, bummer.
My local store ran out but they're getting a new shipment.


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Swingman wrote:
> On 3/12/2015 1:23 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> LED lights aren't supposed to attract mosquitos, either, but I heard
>> that on TV and you know you can't be wrong on TV...
>
> But wait! Act now, and you'll get twice as many...

...Just pay shipping and handling...

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On 3/12/15 7:43 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 3/9/2015 10:41 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright, and
>> completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is super bright!
>
> Going to search these out. Even though I've had to stand too close to
> drummers for too many years, I've got some the 4' BORG fixtures that are
> humming B flat loud enough for me to hear them.
>
> Thanks for the heads-up.
>

And hear I thought they sounded like A sharp. :-p


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On 3/11/15, 7:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
> On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>>
>>> Thanks Max
>>>
>>
>> 3,700 lumens.
>> 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally prefer something
>> more like an overcast sky, but these are very neutral and I can see true
>> colors in this temp.
>>
>>
>
> Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow to
> brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at 3000
> lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the LED
> fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
> concentrated and brighter on the bench top.
>


LEDs are still trying to catch florescents in the efficiency category
(about 100 lumens per watt) so you get no real power savings. The
"instant on", hot or cold, is the big winner here, just keep those
tubes, both LED and florescents, clean and dust free.


-BR



> Hmmm, might have to try one.


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On 3/11/15, 9:49 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/11/15 10:17 AM, Max wrote:
>> On 3/10/2015 9:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/10/15 9:51 PM, Max wrote:
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>>>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>>>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Max
>>>>
>>>
>>> 3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
>>> prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
>>> neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks. So happens that we'll be going to Costco today...
>>
>>
>
> I'm curious to know if they have them in stock and their price, if you
> wouldn't mind reporting back.
> It's funny to see how different Costcos carry different products and can
> have vastly different prices. When I was researching these I saw that
> another store in another state had a regular price that was the same as
> the special sale price at my local store.
> What city are you in?


They had a 'coupon' for these (nation wide) about 2 months ago. I think
it was about $30 (versus the regular $38)

-BR

>
>


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-MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>On 3/11/15 9:14 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>

>>>
>> Does anyone know the MTBF (mean time between failures) of this type
>> of light? I replaced nearly all my regular light bulbs in the house
>> with screw-in fluorescents several years ago. PROs--It makes the
>> greenies happy even though they all contain mercury vapor. CONs--They
>> cost more, at least they did then. The MTBF is only slightly longer
>> than with regular bulbs in my experience. The UV they emit fades
>> pictures and fabrics much faster than incandescents. I doubt I save
>> enough electricity to make up for the cost difference. The LEDs are
>> a relatively new technology, but I have some decorative ones in the
>> kitchen (on a high shelf around the ceiling). They DO eventually
>> fail.
>>
>

>Hopefully, LEDs will start to take over due to all their obvious
>advantages. Once demand increases and manufacturing gets more
>efficient, the price will drop making them much more competitive with
>CFLs. Hopefully, the whole CFL industry will simply fade away like the
>light they produce.

I've replaced all my incandescents and all CFLs with LED
bulbs from costco. Indoor BR-30s for all the cans, globes in the bath, and
a few A19's for tabletop fixtures. I also picked up
one of the utility lights that you referred to above to
use for task-lighting at the workbench (the shop itself
is illuminated by 4 fixtures, each with 2x F96T12C50s
and electronic ballasts). The F96T12s are power-hungry, so
as 8' LED bulbs become available and _cost effective_,
the fluorescents will be replaced. Probably with
pendant mount LS series, similar to these (color temp 5k):

http://www.earthled.com/products/cree-ls8-8-foot-led-surface-mount-ambient-light-fixture-88w-8000-lumens

We have some similar to these at work; quite nice; but not cheap.

I'm very happy with the LED bulbs.

On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 20:51:24 -0600, Max <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>>>>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>>>>>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
>>>>>>>> buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
>>>>>>>> shipment comes in.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>>>>>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>>>>>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>>>>>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
>>>>>>>> the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
>>>>>>>> light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
>>>>>>>> marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
>>>>>>>> in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
>>>>>>>> light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
>>>>>>>> tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
>>>>>>>> the light without being blinded.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>>>>>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
>>>>>>>> 38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
>>>>>>>> florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
>>>>>>>> of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
>>>>>>>> cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
>>>>>>>> $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
>>>>>>>> replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
>>>>>>>> well as tubes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
>>>>>>>> and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
>>>>>>>> days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
>>>>>>>> and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
>>>>>>>> super bright!
>
>I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright white)
>What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the color temp (if
>it's available)?

Yep. I use 6500K tubes (both in my shop and the stupid kitchen
fixture) because they put out so much more light.

-MIKE- <[email protected]> writes:
>On 3/11/15 8:06 AM, Larry Kraus wrote:
>> On 3/10/2015 11:27 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I've been using 6000 K fluorescents because of the color (bright
>>>> white) What are the lumens with the lights you describe? And the
>>>> color temp (if it's available)?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Max
>>>>
>>>
>>> 3,700 lumens. 4100°K which is a little under sunlight. I generally
>>> prefer something more like an overcast sky, but these are very
>>> neutral and I can see true colors in this temp.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Might be good for my garage bench, since my florescent bulbs are slow
>> to brighten in cold temps. But the common old school F40 is rated at
>> 3000 lumens per tube (6000 per fixture), so its sounds like the the
>> LED fixture might be a bit dimmer. Though the LED light may be more
>> concentrated and brighter on the bench top.
>>
>> Hmmm, might have to try one.
>
>These seem super bright to me. I do have a flat, white ceiling in the
>new garage instead of the open joist one in the old place, so I'm sure
>the reflection is helping.

The LEDs in the costco fixture are pointing straight down; unlike
a fluorescent bulb, which radiates light all the way around, the
LED version radiates light downward (diffused somewhat by the
enclosing tube). That's why these fixtures don't have reflectors.

We move in and changed the stupid lights into something one can read
and see on the walls. First we had normal bulbs of 40 watts, then 60
watts then 40 watt and an LED and now modern LED and modern LED in each
with an effective 60 watt light with nominal wattage used.

Slowly going through the house. The library will be last as we have
replacement bulbs already and will run through them first unless I need
to make a heater box :-)

Martin

On 3/12/2015 6:51 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 10:19:09 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/11/2015 11:05 PM, Martin Eastburn wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have LED's in the hallway. We use 2 bulbs in three holders.
>>
>> How did you cut them into thirds?
>
> No need to make an cuts. You just multiplex them. When you walk down
> the hall, you bring a bulb with you. With two bulbs and three
> fixtures you don't have any darkness when moving the lights. ;-)
>

On 3/10/2015 12:28 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/10/15 12:17 PM, G. Ross wrote:
>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>> On 3/10/15 6:58 AM, G. Ross wrote:
>>>> -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>> <http://www2.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?prodid=11980933&whse=BD_579&topnav=BC&cat=99896&hierPath=97105*97112*99896*&lang=en-US>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.feit.com/led-lamps/LED_Utility_Lights>
>>>>>
>>>>> I bought 4 of these LED 4' shop lights at Costco for 32 bucks
>>>>> each, regularly $40 at our local Costco. I'll be going back to
>>>>> buy some more (even at $40) as soon as their replacement
>>>>> shipment comes in.
>>>>>
>>>>> These things are great! I've always loved LED lights because of
>>>>> their efficiency and brightness, however, I hate the fact that
>>>>> they temporarily blind you if you happen to glance right at the
>>>>> diode, giving you that blind spot in your eyes for 5 minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also never understood why they have to make LED lights in
>>>>> the shape of older light technologies. Do I really need my LED
>>>>> light to be in the shape of an incandescent bulb? I guess the
>>>>> marketing department thinks we're all too afraid of new
>>>>> things.
>>>>>
>>>>> In this case, however, I'm glad they make these LED shop lights
>>>>> in the shape of florescent shop light, because they spread the
>>>>> light out very nicely AND they put a white coating over the
>>>>> tubes to diffuse the light. This means I can look directly at
>>>>> the light without being blinded.
>>>>>
>>>>> These things very bright with a nice, cool, neutral tone that
>>>>> reflects accurate colors for wood finishing. They are only
>>>>> 38watts per fixture! This is less than half what my previous
>>>>> florescent fixtures consumed, and they put out the equivalent
>>>>> of a 250 watt bulb. So I'm getting 1000 watts of light for the
>>>>> cost of 152 with absolutely no heat.
>>>>>
>>>>> My old shop lights were about $15-20 per fixture plus the
>>>>> $10-12 or more for the daylight tubes I put in them. I ended up
>>>>> replacing ballasts (or entire fixture) every couple years as
>>>>> well as tubes.
>>>>>
>>>>> These LEDs are already a decent color/tone, start up instantly,
>>>>> and are rated to last 30 years in I use them 6 hours a day, 365
>>>>> days a year, and use half the energy as florescents.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have four of them up and the look great, extremely bright,
>>>>> and completely silent. With the white ceiling, the shop is
>>>>> super bright!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They should have given them to you for free.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Can't believe I'm asking.... but why?
>>>
>>>
>> For all that great review you made.
>>
>
> I know what it's like blowing money on crappy stuff over and over again,
> trying to find that which actually works well. So this was a public
> service announcement. :-)
>
>
Your review showed up two times. ;)