I've been looking for a non-adjustable, 1/2" overlay Euro (Blum) style hinge
and not finding any that will work. Maybe someone here will have a source
or an alternative idea.
Some brief history. Several years back I did a refurb on my in-laws kitchen
by building new doors and drawers. Also made 4 doors for their bathroom
vanity that never got installed.
Fast forward and brother-in-law decided to remodel the bathroom and
accidently destroyed the built-in 60" vanity. Okay, so I volunteered to
build a custom vanity for the same space. The old vanity did not have any
drawers so I decided to include a drawer and a slide out tray in the left
side of the vanity.
Never gave a thought to the hinges for the doors I already had built and
pre-drilled for the 35mm 1/2" overlay hinges.
Problem. I built the drawers and allowed 1/8" clearance on each side. The
face mount Blum hinges have an adjustable plate that mounts to the face
frame. It sticks out 1/4" and obviously is right in the path of the drawer
and slide out lower shelf.
Looking for a 1/2" overlay hinge that only sticks out the thickness of the
mount that gets screwed on to the face frame edge.
I could:
1. Rebuild the two drawers and make them narrower.
2. Use a different style hinge but what? I would then need to fill the 35mm
holes with some Bondo - cabinet is painted so no big deal.
I know someone makes these flat style mounting hinge because I saw a 1/14"
overlay hinge on a cabinet at the big box stores but they must not make it
in a 1/2" overlay. I've Googled, Binged and Yahoo'd using all sorts of
search terms and only thing I find are 1-1/4 (or larger). Liberty shows one
1/2" overlay but the part that mounts to the face edge has a bend in the arm
that creates the same interference and it sticks out about 1/4".
Thanks for any leads or suggestions. I have a feeling I'll be building two
smaller drawers. Next time...measure twice with hinge in place.
Bob S.
On 1/5/2016 8:20 PM, Bob wrote:
> Thanks for taking the time to help solve my problem.
>
> Here's a link to a non-adjustable 1/2" overlay hinge by Liberty. Note
> the "bend" in the tang that connects the door mounted part of the
> hinge. That would interfere with pulling the drawer out.
>
> The face mounted hinge suggested would only work with a larger overlay
> where the overlay of the door hides the hinge.
Did yo find that this hinge needs more than 1/2"?
>
> Thanks for your help and it looks like I'll just build a couple of
> narrower drawers and call it a day.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob S.
Now that you mention that I have seen that hinge before. It is sort'a
lite weight as far as those style hinges go anyway.
The part that fits attaches to the FF can be easily bent IIRC.
ANY WAY... Maybe you could have the door hinge UP or Down. ;~)
On 1/5/2016 7:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/5/2016 6:46 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> OK Douh! the drawers will hit the hinge mounted to the inner edge of
>> the FF.
>>
>> There are face mount Euro hinges....
>>
>> Here, Face mounted FF hinges, Blum
>>
>> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/02r80/blum-110-deg-face-frame-euro-hinge-face-mount-pair.aspx
>>
>
> Yep, just snapped to his description.
And of all people "US", missing that in the description.. ;~)
On 1/5/2016 7:00 PM, Swingman wrote:
> On 1/5/2016 6:46 PM, Leon wrote:
>
>> OK Douh! the drawers will hit the hinge mounted to the inner edge of
>> the FF.
>>
>> There are face mount Euro hinges....
>>
>> Here, Face mounted FF hinges, Blum
>>
>> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/02r80/blum-110-deg-face-frame-euro-hinge-face-mount-pair.aspx
>>
>
> Yep, just snapped to his description.
>
> Can he can get his 1/2" overlay with those?
The hinge attaches to the face anywhere, so 6" overlay if necessary.
Also the hinges can adjust left right a bit where it attaches to the
base that attaches to the FF.
I used these 25 years ago on the kitchen in my other home. IIRC my
doors were built to reveal multiple different overlays. And because of
that they required more time to install.
I hate to say this but I put the FF mounting screws in the hinge base
and closed the hinge that was mounted on the door. I then placed the
door on the cabinet opening, centered it where I wanted it, and pressed
down at the hinge so that the screws would mark the FF.
The cabinets were face up on the garage floor at the time. slow but it
worked.
>
> Be nice is the hinge cup hole could be drilled out of the drawers way.
>
> Wouldn't be the first time I've done that. I even have a bit that makes
> for an almost perfect fit for filling the unused 35mm hole. ;)
>
On 1/5/2016 6:01 PM, Bob wrote:
> I've been looking for a non-adjustable, 1/2" overlay Euro (Blum) style
> hinge and not finding any that will work. Maybe someone here will have
> a source or an alternative idea.
>
> Some brief history. Several years back I did a refurb on my in-laws
> kitchen by building new doors and drawers. Also made 4 doors for their
> bathroom vanity that never got installed.
>
> Fast forward and brother-in-law decided to remodel the bathroom and
> accidently destroyed the built-in 60" vanity. Okay, so I volunteered to
> build a custom vanity for the same space. The old vanity did not have
> any drawers so I decided to include a drawer and a slide out tray in the
> left side of the vanity.
>
> Never gave a thought to the hinges for the doors I already had built and
> pre-drilled for the 35mm 1/2" overlay hinges.
>
> Problem. I built the drawers and allowed 1/8" clearance on each side.
> The face mount Blum hinges have an adjustable plate that mounts to the
> face frame. It sticks out 1/4" and obviously is right in the path of
> the drawer and slide out lower shelf.
>
> Looking for a 1/2" overlay hinge that only sticks out the thickness of
> the mount that gets screwed on to the face frame edge.
>
> I could:
>
> 1. Rebuild the two drawers and make them narrower.
> 2. Use a different style hinge but what? I would then need to fill the
> 35mm holes with some Bondo - cabinet is painted so no big deal.
>
> I know someone makes these flat style mounting hinge because I saw a
> 1/14" overlay hinge on a cabinet at the big box stores but they must not
> make it in a 1/2" overlay. I've Googled, Binged and Yahoo'd using all
> sorts of search terms and only thing I find are 1-1/4 (or larger).
> Liberty shows one 1/2" overlay but the part that mounts to the face edge
> has a bend in the arm that creates the same interference and it sticks
> out about 1/4".
>
> Thanks for any leads or suggestions. I have a feeling I'll be building
> two smaller drawers. Next time...measure twice with hinge in place.
>
> Bob S.
May I ask why you would want nonadjustable? I'm not sure I have ever
seen one that would not adjust.
Anyway I buy these 50~100 at a time and use them for 95% of my hinge needs.
http://www.wwhardware.com/blum-compact-38n-105-self-closing-hinges-b038n
AND they are on sale right now. Keep in mind that their 50 unit pricing
is for multiples of 50. if you buy 60 you pay a higher price for 10.
On 1/5/2016 6:01 PM, Bob wrote:
> I've been looking for a non-adjustable, 1/2" overlay Euro (Blum) style
> hinge and not finding any that will work. Maybe someone here will have
> a source or an alternative idea.
>
> Some brief history. Several years back I did a refurb on my in-laws
> kitchen by building new doors and drawers. Also made 4 doors for their
> bathroom vanity that never got installed.
>
> Fast forward and brother-in-law decided to remodel the bathroom and
> accidently destroyed the built-in 60" vanity. Okay, so I volunteered to
> build a custom vanity for the same space. The old vanity did not have
> any drawers so I decided to include a drawer and a slide out tray in the
> left side of the vanity.
>
> Never gave a thought to the hinges for the doors I already had built and
> pre-drilled for the 35mm 1/2" overlay hinges.
>
> Problem. I built the drawers and allowed 1/8" clearance on each side.
> The face mount Blum hinges have an adjustable plate that mounts to the
> face frame. It sticks out 1/4" and obviously is right in the path of
> the drawer and slide out lower shelf.
>
> Looking for a 1/2" overlay hinge that only sticks out the thickness of
> the mount that gets screwed on to the face frame edge.
>
> I could:
>
> 1. Rebuild the two drawers and make them narrower.
> 2. Use a different style hinge but what? I would then need to fill the
> 35mm holes with some Bondo - cabinet is painted so no big deal.
>
> I know someone makes these flat style mounting hinge because I saw a
> 1/14" overlay hinge on a cabinet at the big box stores but they must not
> make it in a 1/2" overlay. I've Googled, Binged and Yahoo'd using all
> sorts of search terms and only thing I find are 1-1/4 (or larger).
> Liberty shows one 1/2" overlay but the part that mounts to the face edge
> has a bend in the arm that creates the same interference and it sticks
> out about 1/4".
>
> Thanks for any leads or suggestions. I have a feeling I'll be building
> two smaller drawers. Next time...measure twice with hinge in place.
Have you tried these?
http://www.rockler.com/salicereg-excen-three-self-closing-face-frame-hinges
They are my goto door hinges when retrofitting most cabinets for pullout
drawers and shelving.
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On 1/6/2016 4:19 PM, Bob wrote:
>
>
> "Leon" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> On 1/5/2016 8:20 PM, Bob wrote:
>> Thanks for taking the time to help solve my problem.
>>
>> Here's a link to a non-adjustable 1/2" overlay hinge by Liberty. Note
>> the "bend" in the tang that connects the door mounted part of the
>> hinge. That would interfere with pulling the drawer out.
>>
>> The face mounted hinge suggested would only work with a larger overlay
>> where the overlay of the door hides the hinge.
>
> Did yo find that this hinge needs more than 1/2"?
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for your help and it looks like I'll just build a couple of
>> narrower drawers and call it a day.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Bob S.
>
>
> Now that you mention that I have seen that hinge before. It is sort'a
> lite weight as far as those style hinges go anyway.
>
> The part that fits attaches to the FF can be easily bent IIRC.
I did not ever have issue with that. I used 50~60ish of them on the
kitchen I rebuilt in our other home, which our son now owns. That was
in 1990 ish. They are Blum and in that time period 2 have broken. BUT
it was not the base that mounts to the FF, it was the plastic inside the
hinge. Blum replaced all of the hinges on that door for free as they
were slightly different. Blum hinges have a lifetime warranty.
The only issue would be if the base fits outside the edge of the door
with the door placed in a 1/2" overlay position. I don't think that
would be an issue however if the door is actually a full inch wider than
the actual opening. IIRC the base can be reversed so that the mounting
screws can be placed further from the edge of the FF.
I am pretty certain that they would solve your issue and be robust enough.
Now I will attest that the Liberty Hardware hinge you provided a link to
is pretty cheesy, in particular the half that mounts to the FF. I have
installed those on the "crap" furniture kits that you get at WalMart and
the like.
Thanks for taking the time to help solve my problem.
Here's a link to a non-adjustable 1/2" overlay hinge by Liberty. Note the
"bend" in the tang that connects the door mounted part of the hinge. That
would interfere with pulling the drawer out.
The face mounted hinge suggested would only work with a larger overlay where
the overlay of the door hides the hinge.
Thanks for your help and it looks like I'll just build a couple of narrower
drawers and call it a day.
Thanks,
Bob S.
Thanks for taking the time to help solve my problem.
Here's a link to a non-adjustable 1/2" overlay hinge by Liberty. Note the
"bend" in the tang that connects the door mounted part of the hinge. That
would interfere with pulling the drawer out.
The face mounted hinge suggested would only work with a larger overlay where
the overlay of the door hides the hinge.
Thanks for your help and it looks like I'll just build a couple of narrower
drawers and call it a day.
Thanks,
Bob S.
Adding the link may help.....
http://www.libertyhardware.com/functional-cabinet-hinges/liberty-35mm-110-degree-12-overlay-h-h71d34-np-a.htm
Bob S.
"Bob" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Thanks for taking the time to help solve my problem.
Here's a link to a non-adjustable 1/2" overlay hinge by Liberty. Note the
"bend" in the tang that connects the door mounted part of the hinge. That
would interfere with pulling the drawer out.
The face mounted hinge suggested would only work with a larger overlay where
the overlay of the door hides the hinge.
Thanks for your help and it looks like I'll just build a couple of narrower
drawers and call it a day.
Thanks,
Bob S.
Bob wrote:
> I've been looking for a non-adjustable, 1/2" overlay Euro (Blum)
> style hinge and not finding any that will work. Maybe someone here
> will have a source or an alternative idea.
>
> Some brief history. Several years back I did a refurb on my in-laws
> kitchen by building new doors and drawers. Also made 4 doors for
> their bathroom vanity that never got installed.
>
> Fast forward and brother-in-law decided to remodel the bathroom and
> accidently destroyed the built-in 60" vanity. Okay, so I volunteered
> to build a custom vanity for the same space. The old vanity did not
> have any drawers so I decided to include a drawer and a slide out
> tray in the left side of the vanity.
>
> Never gave a thought to the hinges for the doors I already had built
> and pre-drilled for the 35mm 1/2" overlay hinges.
>
> Problem. I built the drawers and allowed 1/8" clearance on each
> side. The face mount Blum hinges have an adjustable plate that
> mounts to the face frame. It sticks out 1/4" and obviously is right
> in the path of the drawer and slide out lower shelf.
>
> Looking for a 1/2" overlay hinge that only sticks out the thickness
> of the mount that gets screwed on to the face frame edge.
>
> I could:
>
> 1. Rebuild the two drawers and make them narrower.
> 2. Use a different style hinge but what? I would then need to fill
> the 35mm holes with some Bondo - cabinet is painted so no big deal.
>
> I know someone makes these flat style mounting hinge because I saw a
> 1/14" overlay hinge on a cabinet at the big box stores but they must
> not make it in a 1/2" overlay. I've Googled, Binged and Yahoo'd
> using all sorts of search terms and only thing I find are 1-1/4 (or
> larger). Liberty shows one 1/2" overlay but the part that mounts to
> the face edge has a bend in the arm that creates the same
> interference and it sticks out about 1/4".
> Thanks for any leads or suggestions. I have a feeling I'll be
> building two smaller drawers. Next time...measure twice with hinge
> in place.
http://amerock.com/hinge-12707.html
"Leon" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On 1/5/2016 8:20 PM, Bob wrote:
> Thanks for taking the time to help solve my problem.
>
> Here's a link to a non-adjustable 1/2" overlay hinge by Liberty. Note
> the "bend" in the tang that connects the door mounted part of the
> hinge. That would interfere with pulling the drawer out.
>
> The face mounted hinge suggested would only work with a larger overlay
> where the overlay of the door hides the hinge.
Did yo find that this hinge needs more than 1/2"?
>
> Thanks for your help and it looks like I'll just build a couple of
> narrower drawers and call it a day.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob S.
Now that you mention that I have seen that hinge before. It is sort'a
lite weight as far as those style hinges go anyway.
The part that fits attaches to the FF can be easily bent IIRC.
ANY WAY... Maybe you could have the door hinge UP or Down. ;~)
Leon,
Thanks but it looks like I'll be making narrower drawers. Only real problem
with that is that it's been colder than a witches *** out there and my small
shop isn't insulated. So I'm going to pull the two drawers out of the
vanity, hang the door with the Compact Blum's I have and tell'em, see ya in
the spring.....
Thank you all for trying,
Bob S.
On 1/5/2016 6:46 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/5/2016 6:34 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 1/5/2016 6:01 PM, Bob wrote:
>>> I've been looking for a non-adjustable, 1/2" overlay Euro (Blum) style
>>> hinge and not finding any that will work. Maybe someone here will have
>>> a source or an alternative idea.
>>>
>>> Some brief history. Several years back I did a refurb on my in-laws
>>> kitchen by building new doors and drawers. Also made 4 doors for their
>>> bathroom vanity that never got installed.
>>>
>>> Fast forward and brother-in-law decided to remodel the bathroom and
>>> accidently destroyed the built-in 60" vanity. Okay, so I volunteered to
>>> build a custom vanity for the same space. The old vanity did not have
>>> any drawers so I decided to include a drawer and a slide out tray in the
>>> left side of the vanity.
>>>
>>> Never gave a thought to the hinges for the doors I already had built and
>>> pre-drilled for the 35mm 1/2" overlay hinges.
>>>
>>> Problem. I built the drawers and allowed 1/8" clearance on each side.
>>> The face mount Blum hinges have an adjustable plate that mounts to the
>>> face frame. It sticks out 1/4" and obviously is right in the path of
>>> the drawer and slide out lower shelf.
>>>
>>> Looking for a 1/2" overlay hinge that only sticks out the thickness of
>>> the mount that gets screwed on to the face frame edge.
>>>
>>> I could:
>>>
>>> 1. Rebuild the two drawers and make them narrower.
>>> 2. Use a different style hinge but what? I would then need to fill the
>>> 35mm holes with some Bondo - cabinet is painted so no big deal.
>>>
>>> I know someone makes these flat style mounting hinge because I saw a
>>> 1/14" overlay hinge on a cabinet at the big box stores but they must not
>>> make it in a 1/2" overlay. I've Googled, Binged and Yahoo'd using all
>>> sorts of search terms and only thing I find are 1-1/4 (or larger).
>>> Liberty shows one 1/2" overlay but the part that mounts to the face edge
>>> has a bend in the arm that creates the same interference and it sticks
>>> out about 1/4".
>>>
>>> Thanks for any leads or suggestions. I have a feeling I'll be building
>>> two smaller drawers. Next time...measure twice with hinge in place.
>>>
>>> Bob S.
>>
>>
>> May I ask why you would want nonadjustable? I'm not sure I have ever
>> seen one that would not adjust.
>>
>> Anyway I buy these 50~100 at a time and use them for 95% of my hinge
>> needs.
>>
>> http://www.wwhardware.com/blum-compact-38n-105-self-closing-hinges-b038n
>>
>> AND they are on sale right now. Keep in mind that their 50 unit pricing
>> is for multiples of 50. if you buy 60 you pay a higher price for 10.
>>
>
>
> OK Douh! the drawers will hit the hinge mounted to the inner edge of
> the FF.
>
> There are face mount Euro hinges....
>
> Here, Face mounted FF hinges, Blum
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/02r80/blum-110-deg-face-frame-euro-hinge-face-mount-pair.aspx
>
>
I will add...... These style hinges let you have any overlay you want.
BUT they do not index and can be difficult to mount
accurately/squarely. Just be sure to make a jig for that purpose.
On 1/5/2016 6:34 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 1/5/2016 6:01 PM, Bob wrote:
>> I've been looking for a non-adjustable, 1/2" overlay Euro (Blum) style
>> hinge and not finding any that will work. Maybe someone here will have
>> a source or an alternative idea.
>>
>> Some brief history. Several years back I did a refurb on my in-laws
>> kitchen by building new doors and drawers. Also made 4 doors for their
>> bathroom vanity that never got installed.
>>
>> Fast forward and brother-in-law decided to remodel the bathroom and
>> accidently destroyed the built-in 60" vanity. Okay, so I volunteered to
>> build a custom vanity for the same space. The old vanity did not have
>> any drawers so I decided to include a drawer and a slide out tray in the
>> left side of the vanity.
>>
>> Never gave a thought to the hinges for the doors I already had built and
>> pre-drilled for the 35mm 1/2" overlay hinges.
>>
>> Problem. I built the drawers and allowed 1/8" clearance on each side.
>> The face mount Blum hinges have an adjustable plate that mounts to the
>> face frame. It sticks out 1/4" and obviously is right in the path of
>> the drawer and slide out lower shelf.
>>
>> Looking for a 1/2" overlay hinge that only sticks out the thickness of
>> the mount that gets screwed on to the face frame edge.
>>
>> I could:
>>
>> 1. Rebuild the two drawers and make them narrower.
>> 2. Use a different style hinge but what? I would then need to fill the
>> 35mm holes with some Bondo - cabinet is painted so no big deal.
>>
>> I know someone makes these flat style mounting hinge because I saw a
>> 1/14" overlay hinge on a cabinet at the big box stores but they must not
>> make it in a 1/2" overlay. I've Googled, Binged and Yahoo'd using all
>> sorts of search terms and only thing I find are 1-1/4 (or larger).
>> Liberty shows one 1/2" overlay but the part that mounts to the face edge
>> has a bend in the arm that creates the same interference and it sticks
>> out about 1/4".
>>
>> Thanks for any leads or suggestions. I have a feeling I'll be building
>> two smaller drawers. Next time...measure twice with hinge in place.
>>
>> Bob S.
>
>
> May I ask why you would want nonadjustable? I'm not sure I have ever
> seen one that would not adjust.
>
> Anyway I buy these 50~100 at a time and use them for 95% of my hinge needs.
>
> http://www.wwhardware.com/blum-compact-38n-105-self-closing-hinges-b038n
>
> AND they are on sale right now. Keep in mind that their 50 unit pricing
> is for multiples of 50. if you buy 60 you pay a higher price for 10.
>
OK Douh! the drawers will hit the hinge mounted to the inner edge of
the FF.
There are face mount Euro hinges....
Here, Face mounted FF hinges, Blum
http://www.woodcraft.com/product/02r80/blum-110-deg-face-frame-euro-hinge-face-mount-pair.aspx
On 1/5/2016 6:46 PM, Leon wrote:
> OK Douh! the drawers will hit the hinge mounted to the inner edge of
> the FF.
>
> There are face mount Euro hinges....
>
> Here, Face mounted FF hinges, Blum
>
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product/02r80/blum-110-deg-face-frame-euro-hinge-face-mount-pair.aspx
Yep, just snapped to his description.
Can he can get his 1/2" overlay with those?
Be nice is the hinge cup hole could be drilled out of the drawers way.
Wouldn't be the first time I've done that. I even have a bit that makes
for an almost perfect fit for filling the unused 35mm hole. ;)
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