I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
down a skosh.
Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
remove baseboard?...crowbar?
Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
It released.
Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
:(
On 2/14/2016 12:57 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 2/14/2016 12:28 PM, OFWW wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:36:58 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is a situation of way over thinking a solution to something that is
>>> not a considered to be a problem. If only there was a simpler way to
>>> "read" a book with out having to learn to read.
>>>
>>
>> There is, Cartoons. ;)
>>
>
>
> OR the Comics. ;~)
You old enough to remember the "Texas History Movies" cartoon/comic book
they taught us Texas history out of?
https://sajunk.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/screwing-with-texas-history-the-early-years/
Loved that thing ... was the beginning of my love of Texas history.
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On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:04:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>>> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
>>> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
>>> first. It doesn't please me
>>> :(
>>
>>
>> LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
>> the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
>> that style slides.
>>
>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>
>> John
>>
>
>You just have to be intelligent enough to understand why. IMHO it is
>pretty darn intelligent as it speeds production to install and probably
>to manufacture.
>
>If you released both sides in the same direction there would be a left
>and right. As it is you simply mount the slide and move on with no care
>as to left side or right side.
Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
HomeOwners, LOL.
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2/14/2016 12:57 PM, Leon wrote:
>> On 2/14/2016 12:28 PM, OFWW wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:36:58 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It is a situation of way over thinking a solution to something that is
>>>> not a considered to be a problem. If only there was a simpler way to
>>>> "read" a book with out having to learn to read.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is, Cartoons. ;)
>>>
>>
>>
>> OR the Comics. ;~)
>
> You old enough to remember the "Texas History Movies" cartoon/comic book
> they taught us Texas history out of?
No, I'm not that old. :-)
I do recall "The Weekly Reader". Apparently it was still in publication
until 2012 from 1928.
>
> https://sajunk.wordpress.com/2010/03/14/screwing-with-texas-history-the-early-years/
>
> Loved that thing ... was the beginning of my love of Texas history.
>
krw <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>> down a skosh.
>>
>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>
>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>
>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>> It released.
>>
>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>> :(
>>
> I've seen this before and it does make some sense (to someone). One
> side is a mirror of the other. If you take the latch off once side
> and flip it over, it fits on the other side but it's upside down,
> hence operates backwards.
>
Actually, not a mirror image. If it were a mirror image both sides would
work the same. As it is both are identical, but you turn one upside down
to mount it properly. Which one is upside down is anybody's guess. :-)
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:04:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>
>>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>>>> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
>>>> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
>>>> first. It doesn't please me
>>>> :(
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
>>> the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
>>> that style slides.
>>>
>>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
>> You just have to be intelligent enough to understand why. IMHO it is
>> pretty darn intelligent as it speeds production to install and probably
>> to manufacture.
>>
>> If you released both sides in the same direction there would be a left
>> and right. As it is you simply mount the slide and move on with no care
>> as to left side or right side.
>
> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>
> HomeOwners, LOL.
>
As I always tell my wife, instructions are for sissies! LOL. Without
instructions the seasoned woodworkers and cabinet makers appear to be
magical and mysterious! :-)
And seriously then every screw would need to be labeled with which way to
turn it for insertion or removal and I doubt that there would be enough
room for that and the cancer warning label. :-)
Just yanking your chain. LOL
On 2/12/2016 10:14 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
> down a skosh.
>
> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>
> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>
> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
> It released.
>
> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
> :(
>
>
DOH...
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On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-6, OFWW wrote:
=20
> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>=20
> HomeOwners, LOL.
So where would they put it so someone like you and McCoy would read it? In=
the Turner Diaries? How would you know to pay attention to a small instru=
ctive note when you are busy cramming your politics up the butts of the woo=
dworking community?
You and yours are exactly the kind of people that deserve NO help. Founder=
ing around with your self righteous political spew on this >>>woodworking<<=
< group is more fun than learning.
You and your political adversaries didn't obviously didn't get the message,=
or just don't care about your destructive behavior. Obviously you don't c=
are about the wishes of the serious woodworkers on this site, folks that ha=
ve reached out to help YOU specifically. I know I am sorry I did.
Now I can just hope that you and Doug, John and woodchuck finally piss each=
other off and get butt hurt enough to go away.
Robert
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:33:02 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>>> down a skosh.
>>>
>>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>>
>>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>>
>>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>>> It released.
>>>
>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>>> :(
>>>
>> I've seen this before and it does make some sense (to someone). One
>> side is a mirror of the other. If you take the latch off once side
>> and flip it over, it fits on the other side but it's upside down,
>> hence operates backwards.
>>
>Actually, not a mirror image. If it were a mirror image both sides would
>work the same. As it is both are identical, but you turn one upside down
>to mount it properly. Which one is upside down is anybody's guess. :-)
Right. Identical parts, flipped rather than mirrored, is cheaper. ;-)
Mike Marlow <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Don't forget the warning that in California something about that screw
> might be known to cause cancer...
>
>
>
You should always wear latex gloves while screwing in California.
Puckdropper
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
*snip*
>
> A good rule of thumb is to simply look at the normal direction that
> the object spins. Almost always you loosen the attachment nut or bolt
> in the same direction. For the nut or bolt to loosen by itself during
> operation it has to spin faster than the object that it is holding
> which is much less likely than if it loosened in the opposite
> direction.
>
*snip*
If you move the screw in the tighten direction, sometimes it loosens enough
for you to remove it. Covers both breaking a frozen screw loose and a
left-handed screw.
Puckdropper
Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 2/13/2016 9:59 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>> No, you kind of missed my point. The design is bad if the lever
>> can move both ways, but only one has an effect. If the lever can
>> only move one way, it's obvious when you're pushing the wrong way
>> because it doesn't move. It's still symmetric, up on one side
>> and down on the other, but it's user-friendly about it.
>>
>> John
>>
>
> Good God!
>
> It is intelligently designed.
>
> Life is too short to analyze the stupid simple things in life.
>
> Use your brain for God's sake.
>
> We all have probably had issue with the slide the first time we
> encountered this.
>
> How many Trophies do yo have???
>
>
He does have a good point, usability could probably be improved there.
It's not a battle I'm inclined to fight.
http://thebloggess.com/2011/06/and-thats-why-you-should-learn-to-pick-
your-battles/
NSFW language, but a worthwhile read.
Puckdropper
"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 2/13/2016 10:45 AM, OFWW wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
>> they get all confused.
>>
>
> Clocks today don't move, they just blink
Except when you drop them into the bathtub. They just die, No more
blinking. I found that out last night. My wife was a bit upset with me.
"krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:29:52 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On 2/13/2016 10:45 AM, OFWW wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
>>>> they get all confused.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Clocks today don't move, they just blink
>>
>>Except when you drop them into the bathtub. They just die, No more
>>blinking. I found that out last night. My wife was a bit upset with me.
>
> Good thing it wasn't a radio!
It was a battery powered travel alarm clock. The small size made it ideal
for the clutter near the bathtub.
On 2/14/2016 8:46 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> On 2/13/2016 9:59 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>> No, you kind of missed my point. The design is bad if the lever
>>> can move both ways, but only one has an effect. If the lever can
>>> only move one way, it's obvious when you're pushing the wrong way
>>> because it doesn't move. It's still symmetric, up on one side
>>> and down on the other, but it's user-friendly about it.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>
>> Good God!
>>
>> It is intelligently designed.
>>
>> Life is too short to analyze the stupid simple things in life.
>>
>> Use your brain for God's sake.
>>
>> We all have probably had issue with the slide the first time we
>> encountered this.
>>
>> How many Trophies do yo have???
>>
>>
>
> He does have a good point, usability could probably be improved there.
> It's not a battle I'm inclined to fight.
Usability is not the issue. I would say that drawers are removed more
times by the installer than by the end user. And which way the lever is
pushed has no effect on normal drawer operation.
I always thought if if the/a lever does not work in one direction, try
the other. I'm betting three way switches really throw a wrench in the
works. You know the ones that up is some times on and sometimes off,
depending on the other switch position. LOL
And FWIW if the lever on both sides went in the same direction it would
mean design changes, and the installer having to keep up with which
slide goes on which side so that you would not end up with some drawer
slides that get mounted up side down where some drawers require both
lever to be pushed up and some pushed down. And every manufacturer
would need to take that path. Symmetrical Push Buttons on these type
slides did not last long, and they were essentially the answer to John's
dilemma. Most slides have improved/progressed to this point. There
would be more compromises if the slides were dumbed down.
It absolutely would require more attention on each and every installer
to insure the slides did not get installed up side down and it would not
guarantee that would happen. And if it happened you would be right back
in the same place.
And yes he has a good point for those that need to be shown how to do
everything.
It is a situation of way over thinking a solution to something that is
not a considered to be a problem. If only there was a simpler way to
"read" a book with out having to learn to read.
On 2/13/2016 9:59 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:Q-2dnWlV_cab9yPLnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>
>>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>
>> The design is intelligent in the sense that it solves a much bigger
>> problem: left and right hand drawer slides have always been a PITA to
>> keep track of.
>>
>> The "mirrored" slides are interchangeable, meaning you no longer have to
>> worry about matching pairs of drawer slides; and if you buy an extra
>> pair for when Murphy strikes, you now have two spares instead of one.
>
> No, you kind of missed my point. The design is bad if the lever
> can move both ways, but only one has an effect.
And you mine. It is a practical truism that, with most
designs/engineering endeavors, convenience generally comes with a price.
This is a case where it is arguably better to take the time to learn how
something works, than to have additional, unnecessary cost and
complexity crammed into a single purpose device.
Basically the convenience of "non-handed" trumps a small inconvenience
for those of us who must occasionally spend some time on the left side
of the bell curve. :)
YMMV ...
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On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
>> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
>> first. It doesn't please me
>> :(
>
>
> LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
> the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
> that style slides.
>
> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>
> John
>
You just have to be intelligent enough to understand why. IMHO it is
pretty darn intelligent as it speeds production to install and probably
to manufacture.
If you released both sides in the same direction there would be a left
and right. As it is you simply mount the slide and move on with no care
as to left side or right side.
On 2/12/2016 9:14 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
> :(
LOL ... the remodel business in fifteen words or less:
If left doesn't get you hot water, try right; if up doesn't work, try down.
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In article <[email protected]>, "Lee
Michaels" says...
>
> "krw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:29:52 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
> > <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>news:[email protected]...
> >>> On 2/13/2016 10:45 AM, OFWW wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
> >>>> they get all confused.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Clocks today don't move, they just blink
> >>
> >>Except when you drop them into the bathtub. They just die, No more
> >>blinking. I found that out last night. My wife was a bit upset with me.
> >
> > Good thing it wasn't a radio!
>
> It was a battery powered travel alarm clock. The small size made it ideal
> for the clutter near the bathtub.
>
>
Throw it in a bag of rice for a week and see if it comes back.
On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
The design is intelligent in the sense that it solves a much bigger
problem: left and right hand drawer slides have always been a PITA to
keep track of.
The "mirrored" slides are interchangeable, meaning you no longer have to
worry about matching pairs of drawer slides; and if you buy an extra
pair for when Murphy strikes, you now have two spares instead of one.
What you make on the grapes, you lose on the grapefruit ... ;)
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On 2/13/2016 9:59 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:Q-2dnWlV_cab9yPLnZ2dnUU7-
> [email protected]:
>
>> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>
>>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>
>> The design is intelligent in the sense that it solves a much bigger
>> problem: left and right hand drawer slides have always been a PITA to
>> keep track of.
>>
>> The "mirrored" slides are interchangeable, meaning you no longer have to
>> worry about matching pairs of drawer slides; and if you buy an extra
>> pair for when Murphy strikes, you now have two spares instead of one.
>
> No, you kind of missed my point. The design is bad if the lever
> can move both ways, but only one has an effect. If the lever can
> only move one way, it's obvious when you're pushing the wrong way
> because it doesn't move. It's still symmetric, up on one side
> and down on the other, but it's user-friendly about it.
>
> John
>
Good God!
It is intelligently designed.
Life is too short to analyze the stupid simple things in life.
Use your brain for God's sake.
We all have probably had issue with the slide the first time we
encountered this.
How many Trophies do yo have???
On 2/12/2016 1:41 PM, dadiOH wrote:
> Leon wrote:
>> And there was a brand that I was using a few years back that used a
>> tab that you pushed in. That cuts down on the confusion but I find
>> it much easier to lift the lever than to push in on the tabs.
>
> I used a bunch of those when I did our kitchen cabinets. I agree, the lever
> is much easier. Now that I know one pulls up, the other side pushes down
> :)
>
>
I have installed so many of the full extension slides with the levers I
don't think I even have to think about which side lever goes up and
which side down. I just naturally do it correctly and yet sitting here
I could not tell which. Muscle memory I guess. LOL
But thinking I believe down on the right up on the left... Yup! Just
checked that out. At least that is so with the brand I have been using
the past 4~5 years.
On 2/13/2016 11:00 PM, John McCoy wrote:
> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
>> they get all confused.
>
> They get even more confused about anticlockwise.
>
> John
>
A guy in maintenance was having a difficult time drilling out a pop
rivet. He asked his boss to sharpen the bit. No better he told him "you
can't sharpen a bit for crap". Joe pushed a button on the drill and
said "now try it"
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
> first. It doesn't please me
>:(
LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
that style slides.
If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
John
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in news:Q-2dnWlV_cab9yPLnZ2dnUU7-
[email protected]:
> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>
>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>
> The design is intelligent in the sense that it solves a much bigger
> problem: left and right hand drawer slides have always been a PITA to
> keep track of.
>
> The "mirrored" slides are interchangeable, meaning you no longer have to
> worry about matching pairs of drawer slides; and if you buy an extra
> pair for when Murphy strikes, you now have two spares instead of one.
No, you kind of missed my point. The design is bad if the lever
can move both ways, but only one has an effect. If the lever can
only move one way, it's obvious when you're pushing the wrong way
because it doesn't move. It's still symmetric, up on one side
and down on the other, but it's user-friendly about it.
John
OFWW <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
> they get all confused.
They get even more confused about anticlockwise.
John
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 11:34:04 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2/13/2016 10:45 AM, OFWW wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
>> they get all confused.
>>
>
>Clocks today don't move, they just blink.
...12:00
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:04:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2/12/16 1:37 PM, OFWW wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>>> down a skosh.
>>>
>>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>>
>>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>>
>>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>>> It released.
>>>
>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>>> :(
>>>
>>
>> That was news to me, I had a pair sitting on the floor here, ones that
>> I opened the package of so I knew them to not be tampered with.
>>
>> Checked what you said, and you are totally correct. Thanks for the
>> heads up and you saved me the grief.
>>
>
>Glad I could help!
>I only know because the first time it happened to me I about torn the
>entire summbich apart. :-)
LOL, I well know the feeling, and could sense it as you wrote it. I
was happy to find out the solution was easy, but why didn't they note
in on the packaging?
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:29:52 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/13/2016 10:45 AM, OFWW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
>>> they get all confused.
>>>
>>
>> Clocks today don't move, they just blink
>
>Except when you drop them into the bathtub. They just die, No more
>blinking. I found that out last night. My wife was a bit upset with me.
That sounds more like attempted murder. :(
On 2/13/2016 10:56 AM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:33:02 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> krw <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>>>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>>>> down a skosh.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>>>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>>>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>>>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>>>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>>>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>>>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>>>
>>>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>>>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>>>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>>>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>>>
>>>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>>>> It released.
>>>>
>>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>>>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>>>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>> I've seen this before and it does make some sense (to someone). One
>>> side is a mirror of the other. If you take the latch off once side
>>> and flip it over, it fits on the other side but it's upside down,
>>> hence operates backwards.
>>>
>
>> Actually, not a mirror image. If it were a mirror image both sides would
>> work the same. As it is both are identical, but you turn one upside down
>> to mount it properly. Which one is upside down is anybody's guess. :-)
>
> Right. Identical parts, flipped rather than mirrored, is cheaper. ;-)
>
Well in all fairness mostly mirrored except for that little latch we are
talking about. LOL
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 12:57:27 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/14/2016 12:28 PM, OFWW wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:36:58 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It is a situation of way over thinking a solution to something that is
>>> not a considered to be a problem. If only there was a simpler way to
>>> "read" a book with out having to learn to read.
>>>
>>
>> There is, Cartoons. ;)
>>
>
>
>OR the Comics.
Oh, Heavens no! In this day of "participation trophies" they're
"graphic novels"! Being that insensitive, you're gonna make someone
cry, Leon.
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>down a skosh.
>
>Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>
>Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>
>Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>It released.
>
>Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>:(
>
I've seen this before and it does make some sense (to someone). One
side is a mirror of the other. If you take the latch off once side
and flip it over, it fits on the other side but it's upside down,
hence operates backwards.
On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:29:52 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast dot net> wrote:
>
>
>"Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 2/13/2016 10:45 AM, OFWW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
>>> they get all confused.
>>>
>>
>> Clocks today don't move, they just blink
>
>Except when you drop them into the bathtub. They just die, No more
>blinking. I found that out last night. My wife was a bit upset with me.
Good thing it wasn't a radio!
On 2/12/2016 10:14 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>
> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
> It released.
>
> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
> :(
>
>
Yes, I understand it. Why? The older I get the more I realize not many
things make sense so it is sensible to try the opposite. Make sense now?
On 2/12/16 9:14 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
> down a skosh.
>
> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>
> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>
> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
> It released.
>
> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
> :(
>
>
As I'm in the middle of a drawer slide research adventure myself, I can
answer that.
One big selling pint I've been seeing on all these slides is "non
left-right" or universal fit. All the mounting holes are are in the
center of the slide so they can swap to left or right.
That's what you're dealing with on the lever release. Mounted on the
right, you push down; on the left, you push up. Or is it vise-versa?
:-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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Leon wrote:
> And there was a brand that I was using a few years back that used a
> tab that you pushed in. That cuts down on the confusion but I find
> it much easier to lift the lever than to push in on the tabs.
I used a bunch of those when I did our kitchen cabinets. I agree, the lever
is much easier. Now that I know one pulls up, the other side pushes down
:)
On 2/12/16 1:37 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>> down a skosh.
>>
>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>
>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>
>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>> It released.
>>
>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>> :(
>>
>
> That was news to me, I had a pair sitting on the floor here, ones that
> I opened the package of so I knew them to not be tampered with.
>
> Checked what you said, and you are totally correct. Thanks for the
> heads up and you saved me the grief.
>
Glad I could help!
I only know because the first time it happened to me I about torn the
entire summbich apart. :-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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[email protected] schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
[email protected]...
>
>On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-6, OFWW wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
>> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>>
>> HomeOwners, LOL.
>
>So where would they put it so someone like you and McCoy would read it? In=
> the Turner Diaries? How would you know to pay attention to a small instru=
>ctive note when you are busy cramming your politics up the butts of the woo=
>dworking community?
>
>You and yours are exactly the kind of people that deserve NO help. Founder=
>ing around with your self righteous political spew on this >>>woodworking<<=
>< group is more fun than learning.
>
>You and your political adversaries didn't obviously didn't get the message,=
> or just don't care about your destructive behavior. Obviously you don't c=
>are about the wishes of the serious woodworkers on this site, folks that ha=
>ve reached out to help YOU specifically. I know I am sorry I did.
>
>Now I can just hope that you and Doug, John and woodchuck finally piss each=
> other off and get butt hurt enough to go away.
>
>Robert
!! SMACKDOWN !!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Leon wrote:
>
> And seriously then every screw would need to be labeled with which way to
> turn it for insertion or removal and I doubt that there would be enough
> room for that and the cancer warning label. :-)
>
Don't forget the warning that in California something about that screw
might be known to cause cancer...
--
-Mike-
[email protected]
On 2/14/2016 12:28 PM, OFWW wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:36:58 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
> wrote:
>
>> It is a situation of way over thinking a solution to something that is
>> not a considered to be a problem. If only there was a simpler way to
>> "read" a book with out having to learn to read.
>>
>
> There is, Cartoons. ;)
>
OR the Comics. ;~)
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>down a skosh.
>
>Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>
>Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>
>Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>It released.
>
>Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>:(
>
That was news to me, I had a pair sitting on the floor here, ones that
I opened the package of so I knew them to not be tampered with.
Checked what you said, and you are totally correct. Thanks for the
heads up and you saved me the grief.
On 2/12/2016 11:05 AM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 2/12/16 9:14 AM, dadiOH wrote:
>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late
>> yesterday.
>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny
>> stuff
>> down a skosh.
>>
>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my
>> arm
>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>
>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>
>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>> It released.
>>
>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>> To the
>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration
>> instead
>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't
>> please me
>> :(
>>
>>
>
> As I'm in the middle of a drawer slide research adventure myself, I can
> answer that.
> One big selling pint I've been seeing on all these slides is "non
> left-right" or universal fit. All the mounting holes are are in the
> center of the slide so they can swap to left or right.
>
> That's what you're dealing with on the lever release. Mounted on the
> right, you push down; on the left, you push up. Or is it vise-versa? :-)
>
>
And there was a brand that I was using a few years back that used a tab
that you pushed in. That cuts down on the confusion but I find it much
easier to lift the lever than to push in on the tabs.
On 2/12/2016 9:14 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
> down a skosh.
>
> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>
> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>
> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
> It released.
>
> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
> :(
>
>
Yeah! LOL Those slide normally come as "non handed" meaning neither
slide has to be used on a particular side. SOOOOO as you noticed if you
push up or down on one side you do the opposite on the other because one
of the slides is upside down.
The beauty is that yo do not have to keep up with which one goes on
which side when you are mounting dozens at a time.
Glad you did not crow bar it open. LOL
On 2/13/2016 11:05 AM, krw wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:22:13 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:04:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>>>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>>>>>> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
>>>>>> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
>>>>>> first. It doesn't please me
>>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
>>>>> the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
>>>>> that style slides.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>>>>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>>>>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>>>>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You just have to be intelligent enough to understand why. IMHO it is
>>>> pretty darn intelligent as it speeds production to install and probably
>>>> to manufacture.
>>>>
>>>> If you released both sides in the same direction there would be a left
>>>> and right. As it is you simply mount the slide and move on with no care
>>>> as to left side or right side.
>>>
>>> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
>>> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>>>
>>> HomeOwners, LOL.
>>>
>>
>> As I always tell my wife, instructions are for sissies! LOL. Without
>> instructions the seasoned woodworkers and cabinet makers appear to be
>> magical and mysterious! :-)
>>
>> And seriously then every screw would need to be labeled with which way to
>> turn it for insertion or removal and I doubt that there would be enough
>> room for that and the cancer warning label. :-)
>
> It would sure help if left-handed ones were marked somehow. ;-)
A good rule of thumb is to simply look at the normal direction that the
object spins. Almost always you loosen the attachment nut or bolt in
the same direction. For the nut or bolt to loosen by itself during
operation it has to spin faster than the object that it is holding which
is much less likely than if it loosened in the opposite direction.
>
> I came close to replacing a lawn edger after I spent a week trying to
> (un)loosen the bolt that held the blade. Then there are the cars
> where half the lug nuts go the wrong way (at least the threads are
> visible).
Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth used to do that. The lug nuts loosened on the
left side of the vehicle in the customary direction, counter clockwise.
The right side loosened, clockwise. Countless lug nuts were twisted off
in shops on those vehicles until they stopped that practice.
A nut or bolt is less likely to loosen and come off the farther it is
located away from the center of rotation of what it is holding.
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 20:38:23 -0800, OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 19:04:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>On 2/12/16 1:37 PM, OFWW wrote:
>>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 10:14:55 -0500, "dadiOH" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I finished the vanity pull out I was making and installed it late yesterday.
>>>> It was a tight fit so my job for today was to take it out and skinny stuff
>>>> down a skosh.
>>>>
>>>> Now, I am using full extension, ball bearing slides on it - HD best &
>>>> greatest - and they have a little lever that has to be pushed down to
>>>> release the drawer member from the frame member. The pull out is open to
>>>> the room on one side, close to a wall on the other; easy to release the
>>>> lever on the open side, just push the lever down. It is moderately more
>>>> difficult on the wall side as I can't see it but room enough to get my arm
>>>> down and feel it. Problem is, the damn thing wouldn't release...
>>>>
>>>> Push lever down, try to pullout the pullout, tight as a drum, curse. The
>>>> foregoing was repeated numerous times. In between times, I was trying to
>>>> think of another way to get at it...cut through both sides of wall and
>>>> remove baseboard?...crowbar?
>>>>
>>>> Finally, cursing silently, I pulled the lever up instead of pushing down.
>>>> It released.
>>>>
>>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense? To the
>>>> manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one configuration instead
>>>> of two, the second being a mirror image of the first. It doesn't please me
>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>
>>> That was news to me, I had a pair sitting on the floor here, ones that
>>> I opened the package of so I knew them to not be tampered with.
>>>
>>> Checked what you said, and you are totally correct. Thanks for the
>>> heads up and you saved me the grief.
>>>
>>
>>Glad I could help!
>>I only know because the first time it happened to me I about torn the
>>entire summbich apart. :-)
>
>LOL, I well know the feeling, and could sense it as you wrote it. I
>was happy to find out the solution was easy, but why didn't they note
>in on the packaging?
They probably did somewhere in the fine print
On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 22:05:35 -0800 (PST), "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-6, OFWW wrote:
>
>> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
>> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>>
>> HomeOwners, LOL.
>
>So where would they put it so someone like you and McCoy would read it? In the Turner Diaries? How would you know to pay attention to a small instructive note when you are busy cramming your politics up the butts of the woodworking community?
>
>You and yours are exactly the kind of people that deserve NO help. Foundering around with your self righteous political spew on this >>>woodworking<<< group is more fun than learning.
>
>You and your political adversaries didn't obviously didn't get the message, or just don't care about your destructive behavior. Obviously you don't care about the wishes of the serious woodworkers on this site, folks that have reached out to help YOU specifically. I know I am sorry I did.
>
>Now I can just hope that you and Doug, John and woodchuck finally piss each other off and get butt hurt enough to go away.
>
>Robert
Well Robert, there isn't much I can say at this point that wouldn't
piss you off more. While the wood working info is more important to me
here than some of the sidelines, I realize that the harm to you has
already been done. And it isn't repairable from the way you are
speaking.
All I can do is offer you my apologies for stepping on your toes,
albeit inadvertently, as well as to the group.
It would be stupid of me to forget what info you gave me, so I won't
be giving that help up. Sorry.
I also will not be walking away from the group, as even reading
without replying is beneficiary to me and many others.
On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 09:36:58 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:
>On 2/14/2016 8:46 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>> Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet> wrote in
>> news:[email protected]:
>>
>>> On 2/13/2016 9:59 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>>> No, you kind of missed my point. The design is bad if the lever
>>>> can move both ways, but only one has an effect. If the lever can
>>>> only move one way, it's obvious when you're pushing the wrong way
>>>> because it doesn't move. It's still symmetric, up on one side
>>>> and down on the other, but it's user-friendly about it.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good God!
>>>
>>> It is intelligently designed.
>>>
>>> Life is too short to analyze the stupid simple things in life.
>>>
>>> Use your brain for God's sake.
>>>
>>> We all have probably had issue with the slide the first time we
>>> encountered this.
>>>
>>> How many Trophies do yo have???
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He does have a good point, usability could probably be improved there.
>> It's not a battle I'm inclined to fight.
>
>Usability is not the issue. I would say that drawers are removed more
>times by the installer than by the end user. And which way the lever is
>pushed has no effect on normal drawer operation.
>
>
>I always thought if if the/a lever does not work in one direction, try
>the other. I'm betting three way switches really throw a wrench in the
>works. You know the ones that up is some times on and sometimes off,
>depending on the other switch position. LOL
Hmm, the one to my basement is ON, either up or down. To turn the
light off, one has to put the switch in the middle. OK, I really
gotta replace that thing some day. ;-)
>
>And FWIW if the lever on both sides went in the same direction it would
>mean design changes, and the installer having to keep up with which
>slide goes on which side so that you would not end up with some drawer
>slides that get mounted up side down where some drawers require both
>lever to be pushed up and some pushed down. And every manufacturer
>would need to take that path. Symmetrical Push Buttons on these type
>slides did not last long, and they were essentially the answer to John's
>dilemma. Most slides have improved/progressed to this point. There
>would be more compromises if the slides were dumbed down.
>
>It absolutely would require more attention on each and every installer
>to insure the slides did not get installed up side down and it would not
>guarantee that would happen. And if it happened you would be right back
>in the same place.
>
>And yes he has a good point for those that need to be shown how to do
>everything.
>
>It is a situation of way over thinking a solution to something that is
>not a considered to be a problem. If only there was a simpler way to
>"read" a book with out having to learn to read.
>
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:22:13 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:04:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>>>>> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
>>>>> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
>>>>> first. It doesn't please me
>>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
>>>> the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
>>>> that style slides.
>>>>
>>>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>>>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>>>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>>>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>> You just have to be intelligent enough to understand why. IMHO it is
>>> pretty darn intelligent as it speeds production to install and probably
>>> to manufacture.
>>>
>>> If you released both sides in the same direction there would be a left
>>> and right. As it is you simply mount the slide and move on with no care
>>> as to left side or right side.
>>
>> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
>> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>>
>> HomeOwners, LOL.
>>
>
>As I always tell my wife, instructions are for sissies! LOL. Without
>instructions the seasoned woodworkers and cabinet makers appear to be
>magical and mysterious! :-)
>
>And seriously then every screw would need to be labeled with which way to
>turn it for insertion or removal and I doubt that there would be enough
>room for that and the cancer warning label. :-)
It would sure help if left-handed ones were marked somehow. ;-)
I came close to replacing a lawn edger after I spent a week trying to
(un)loosen the bolt that held the blade. Then there are the cars
where half the lug nuts go the wrong way (at least the threads are
visible).
>Just yanking your chain. LOL
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:18:36 -0500, " " <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
>[email protected]...
>>
>>On Friday, February 12, 2016 at 10:42:50 PM UTC-6, OFWW wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
>>> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>>>
>>> HomeOwners, LOL.
>>
>>So where would they put it so someone like you and McCoy would read it? In=
>> the Turner Diaries? How would you know to pay attention to a small instru=
>>ctive note when you are busy cramming your politics up the butts of the woo=
>>dworking community?
>>
>>You and yours are exactly the kind of people that deserve NO help. Founder=
>>ing around with your self righteous political spew on this >>>woodworking<<=
>>< group is more fun than learning.
>>
>>You and your political adversaries didn't obviously didn't get the message,=
>> or just don't care about your destructive behavior. Obviously you don't c=
>>are about the wishes of the serious woodworkers on this site, folks that ha=
>>ve reached out to help YOU specifically. I know I am sorry I did.
>>
>>Now I can just hope that you and Doug, John and woodchuck finally piss each=
>> other off and get butt hurt enough to go away.
>>
>>Robert
>
>!! SMACKDOWN !!
>
>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
>http://i.imgur.com/GON8gT2.jpg
>
LOL, you have some serious problems. And your "quote" was in error.
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 08:22:13 -0600, Leon <[email protected]> wrote:
>OFWW <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Feb 2016 18:04:25 -0600, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/12/2016 4:37 PM, John McCoy wrote:
>>>> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>>
>>>>> Push down on one side, pull up on the other. Does that make sense?
>>>>> To the manufacturer, I guess because he only had to make one
>>>>> configuration instead of two, the second being a mirror image of the
>>>>> first. It doesn't please me
>>>>> :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LOL. I have done the exact same thing, cussed and swore for
>>>> the better part of an hour trying to get a drawer out with
>>>> that style slides.
>>>>
>>>> If it had been intelligently designed, you wouldn't be able
>>>> to push it the wrong way. The fact you can move the lever
>>>> down on the side that should be up is the problem, because
>>>> it misleads you to think you're going the right way.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>
>>> You just have to be intelligent enough to understand why. IMHO it is
>>> pretty darn intelligent as it speeds production to install and probably
>>> to manufacture.
>>>
>>> If you released both sides in the same direction there would be a left
>>> and right. As it is you simply mount the slide and move on with no care
>>> as to left side or right side.
>>
>> Yes, there is a certain beauty to the simplicity of it all, but why
>> not note it on the wrapper for the noobies and HO's.
>>
>> HomeOwners, LOL.
>>
>
>As I always tell my wife, instructions are for sissies! LOL. Without
>instructions the seasoned woodworkers and cabinet makers appear to be
>magical and mysterious! :-)
>
>And seriously then every screw would need to be labeled with which way to
>turn it for insertion or removal and I doubt that there would be enough
>room for that and the cancer warning label. :-)
>
>Just yanking your chain. LOL
Hey, it doesn't matter how many times some people are told "clockwise"
they get all confused.