On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:50:02 PM UTC-7, tiredofspam wrote:
> No, the point doesn't go into the corner, the point is toward you.
> Any molding in the corner is back mitered to avoid the less than perfect
> 90. The top of that molding is usually sanded to fit, the back miter
> just allows a tighter fit.
>
> Really simple. You then cope the next piece into that piece.
>
>
>
> On 3/13/2012 12:24 PM, Josepi wrote:
> > I take it you would need to trim the corner off the story block so it
> > can be inserted as deep as required to align with the theoretical corner
> > angle, then? Then you align the still original mitre cut with the
> > theoretical drywall corner for both walls for measurement?
> >
> > Many inside corners are really curved to satisfy the lazy drywall taper
> > or the corners are full of gunk that can't be cleaned out easily. Isn't
> > that what baseboard is for?
> >
> >
> > ------------
> > "tiredofspam" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> > Make a story block... Make the block 12" and mark it for keeps. Cut one
> > side of the block with a 45 degree bevel. The bevel goes against the
> > wall leaving you with the point touching where you need the accuracy,
> > toward you. Always add 12" to your size.
> >
> > Or you can trust the case, most are 3" cases on 25' tapes. It will tell
> > you on the tape what it is.
> >
> > ------------
> > On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, sal wrote:
> >> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
> >> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend
> >> in the
> >> tape against the wall?
> >>
> >> Sal
> >>
> >>
> >
I gave up on coping in favor of caulk. Just miter, nail, smear, next joint. Base and crown. Of course I am not a pro in this regard just my home and a few rentals and the occasional painted furniture piece. Of course clear finished woods I would cope.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:12:16 -0700 (PDT), William F. Adams
([email protected]) wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:01 pm, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
>> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in the
>> tape against the wall?
>
> First you need a tape measure which has a movable hook which allows it
> to take an inside measurement --- tapes which don't have such movable
> hooks should only be used for outside measurement. Replace the tape on
> any tape measure which some idiot has hammered into immovability.
>
> Second, every roughly square tape measure casing I've ever seen is
> marked for the outside dimension.
>
> Third, it's a room --- you don't need to be much more precise than the
> nearest quarter of an inch for most things, and if you think you do,
> be sure that you're taking the measurement where it counts.
>
> William
You cut to the nearest quarter of an inch for baseboard?
That must look nice.
basilisk
On Monday, March 12, 2012 6:01:33 PM UTC-7, sal wrote:
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard=
=20
> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in t=
he=20
> tape against the wall?
>=20
> Sal
Most tapes tell you how long the case is so you can but the tape against th=
e wall and add the length of the case. After a try or two you can get a goo=
d feel for where to read to. Look on your tape body and see if it says 2" o=
r something like that along one edge.
On 03/13/2012 06:40 PM, HeyBub wrote:
> sal wrote:
>> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg
>> baseboard length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of
>> the bend in the tape against the wall?
>>
>
> Aside:
> If your resulting baseboards are not flush with the floor, check back here.
> There is a non-obvious way to make them fit tightly.
>
>
Don't keep us in the dark! If not caulk or scribe & plane/sand, ?
--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:12:16 AM UTC-7, William F. Adams (willadams@ao=
l.com) wrote:
> On Mar 12, 9:01=A0pm, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboar=
d
> > length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in=
the
> > tape against the wall?
>=20
> First you need a tape measure which has a movable hook which allows it
> to take an inside measurement --- tapes which don't have such movable
> hooks should only be used for outside measurement. Replace the tape on
> any tape measure which some idiot has hammered into immovability.
>=20
> Second, every roughly square tape measure casing I've ever seen is
> marked for the outside dimension.
>=20
> Third, it's a room --- you don't need to be much more precise than the
> nearest quarter of an inch for most things, and if you think you do,
> be sure that you're taking the measurement where it counts.
>=20
> William
He said he is doing base board so better than 1/4" is needed unless you hav=
e lots of caulking to fill the void or want to keep recutting shorter to fi=
t an inside corner situation.
On Mar 12, 9:01=A0pm, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in t=
he
> tape against the wall?
First you need a tape measure which has a movable hook which allows it
to take an inside measurement --- tapes which don't have such movable
hooks should only be used for outside measurement. Replace the tape on
any tape measure which some idiot has hammered into immovability.
Second, every roughly square tape measure casing I've ever seen is
marked for the outside dimension.
Third, it's a room --- you don't need to be much more precise than the
nearest quarter of an inch for most things, and if you think you do,
be sure that you're taking the measurement where it counts.
William
sal wrote:
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg
> baseboard length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of
> the bend in the tape against the wall?
>
Aside:
If your resulting baseboards are not flush with the floor, check back here.
There is a non-obvious way to make them fit tightly.
On Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:47:23 -0700, Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> wrote:
>On 03/13/2012 06:40 PM, HeyBub wrote:
>> sal wrote:
>>> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg
>>> baseboard length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of
>>> the bend in the tape against the wall?
>>>
>>
>> Aside:
>> If your resulting baseboards are not flush with the floor, check back here.
>> There is a non-obvious way to make them fit tightly.
>>
>>
>
>Don't keep us in the dark! If not caulk or scribe & plane/sand, ?
The obvious way is to toenail them down with finishing nails (at 45
degrees up from horizontal) into the bottom plate.
2 non-obvious ways would be steaming prior to laying <bseg> (obviously
not for the MDF paper baseboard products) or scribing and cutting,
planing, or sanding to fit. I wonder what technique he uses.
--
Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing.
This is the ultimate. -- Chuang-tzu
On 3/12/2012 8:01 PM, sal wrote:
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in the
> tape against the wall?
>
> Sal
>
>
Make a coupe of 2" long blocks, set them against the wall and measure
between them. Add 4.
I take it you would need to trim the corner off the story block so it can be
inserted as deep as required to align with the theoretical corner angle,
then? Then you align the still original mitre cut with the theoretical
drywall corner for both walls for measurement?
Many inside corners are really curved to satisfy the lazy drywall taper or
the corners are full of gunk that can't be cleaned out easily. Isn't that
what baseboard is for?
------------
"tiredofspam" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Make a story block... Make the block 12" and mark it for keeps. Cut one
side of the block with a 45 degree bevel. The bevel goes against the
wall leaving you with the point touching where you need the accuracy,
toward you. Always add 12" to your size.
Or you can trust the case, most are 3" cases on 25' tapes. It will tell
you on the tape what it is.
------------
On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, sal wrote:
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in
> the
> tape against the wall?
>
> Sal
>
>
In article <b%[email protected]>, sal <[email protected]> wrote:
>How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
>length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in the
>tape against the wall?
>
>Sal
>
>
I like to cut a stick to exactly 10 or 12 inches long, butt that up against
one wall, then measure to the end of the stick from the other wall with
the tape. Don't forget to add the length of the stick to your measurement!
(DAMHIKT)
--
There is always an easy solution to every human problem -- neat,
plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org
Make a story block... Make the block 12" and mark it for keeps. Cut one
side of the block with a 45 degree bevel. The bevel goes against the
wall leaving you with the point touching where you need the accuracy,
toward you. Always add 12" to your size.
Or you can trust the case, most are 3" cases on 25' tapes. It will tell
you on the tape what it is.
On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, sal wrote:
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in the
> tape against the wall?
>
> Sal
>
>
Doug Winterburn wrote:
> On 03/13/2012 06:40 PM, HeyBub wrote:
>> sal wrote:
>>> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg
>>> baseboard length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because
>>> of the bend in the tape against the wall?
>>>
>>
>> Aside:
>> If your resulting baseboards are not flush with the floor, check
>> back here. There is a non-obvious way to make them fit tightly.
>>
>>
>
> Don't keep us in the dark! If not caulk or scribe & plane/sand, ?
I was thinking of scribing and aggressive sanding/planing. Oh, I know it's
clear, cogent, and convincing to the experienced hand, but it was a
revelation to me just starting out on home remodeling.
I nearly twitched to death the first time I tried the technique.
>"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:6371817.44.1331664546460.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbw2...
>On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:12:16 AM UTC-7, William F. Adams
>([email protected]) wrote:
> >On Mar 12, 9:01 pm, "sal" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg
> > >baseboard
> > >length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in
> > >the
> >> tape against the wall?
>
> >First you need a tape measure which has a movable hook which allows it
> >to take an inside measurement --- tapes which don't have such movable
> >hooks should only be used for outside measurement. Replace the tape on
> >any tape measure which some idiot has hammered into immovability.
>
> >Second, every roughly square tape measure casing I've ever seen is
> >marked for the outside dimension.
>>
> >Third, it's a room --- you don't need to be much more precise than the
>> nearest quarter of an inch for most things, and if you think you do,
>> be sure that you're taking the measurement where it counts.
>
>> William
>He said he is doing base board so better than 1/4" is needed unless you
>have lots of caulking to fill the void or want to keep recutting shorter to
>fit an inside corner >situation.
I guess I took that last paragraph differently from others... Though not
explicitly stated I took it that he was referring to things other than
baseboards/trim with his statement "most things." That is something I would
agree with as rough carpentry for walls, flooring, drywall, carpet pads,
etc., generally don't require real tight tolerances. In fact, the materials
often vary 1/4" or more (e.g., bowed 2X stock). The finishing work covers up
the defects which is where the "if you think you do, be sure that you're
taking the measurement where it counts," part of the posting comes in...
that as well as scribing!
I'm not sure my writing is any clearer than the original paragraph but I'm
taking a shot at it! LOL
John
thank you everyone for your helpful advice.
Sal
"sal" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:b%[email protected]...
> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in
> the tape against the wall?
>
> Sal
>
>
Lots of caulking or forty coats of paint!!
---------
"basilisk" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
You cut to the nearest quarter of an inch for baseboard?
That must look nice.
basilisk
On 3/13/2012 1:51 PM, sal wrote:
> thank you everyone for your helpful advice.
>
> Sal
> "sal"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:b%[email protected]...
>> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
>> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend in
>> the tape against the wall?
>>
>> Sal
>>
>>
>
FWIW I have actually done trim carpentry, exactly what you are
describing for a builder many years. Joe Carver described the way I
successfully did it how ever I used 10". 10" is slightly easier to add
to a measurement than 12". ;~)
No, the point doesn't go into the corner, the point is toward you.
Any molding in the corner is back mitered to avoid the less than perfect
90. The top of that molding is usually sanded to fit, the back miter
just allows a tighter fit.
Really simple. You then cope the next piece into that piece.
On 3/13/2012 12:24 PM, Josepi wrote:
> I take it you would need to trim the corner off the story block so it
> can be inserted as deep as required to align with the theoretical corner
> angle, then? Then you align the still original mitre cut with the
> theoretical drywall corner for both walls for measurement?
>
> Many inside corners are really curved to satisfy the lazy drywall taper
> or the corners are full of gunk that can't be cleaned out easily. Isn't
> that what baseboard is for?
>
>
> ------------
> "tiredofspam" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> Make a story block... Make the block 12" and mark it for keeps. Cut one
> side of the block with a 45 degree bevel. The bevel goes against the
> wall leaving you with the point touching where you need the accuracy,
> toward you. Always add 12" to your size.
>
> Or you can trust the case, most are 3" cases on 25' tapes. It will tell
> you on the tape what it is.
>
> ------------
> On 3/12/2012 9:01 PM, sal wrote:
>> How do get correct inside measurements using a tape measure.eg baseboard
>> length between 2 walls, I am usually over length because of the bend
>> in the
>> tape against the wall?
>>
>> Sal
>>
>>
>