I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am screwing,
or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off as
I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
screws?
TIA.
Dick SNyder
Thanks to all for your help. This group is really excellent. I was able to
solve my problem by applying to the threads of the screws some of the
Johnson's Paste Wax that I use from time to time for my table saw.
Dick Snyder
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
>screwing, or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the
>heads off as I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill
>size that would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing.
>What advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy
>more screws?
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick SNyder
>
In article <[email protected]>,
Dick Snyder <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am screwing,
>or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off as
>I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>screws?
>
>TIA.
>
>Dick SNyder
>
>
Try nails?
--
Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland
[email protected]
If they're brass screws, that's a common problem. Find a tougher steel screw
of the same size. Prebore the hole, put in the steel screw to "pre-thread"
the hole, remove the steel and insert the brass screw. I also like to keep a
small piece of beeswax around to lubricate threads when I do any kind of
screwing - particulary into the harder woods like maple or oak.
Gary in KC
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
> screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
screwing,
> or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off
as
> I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
> would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
> advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
> screws?
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick SNyder
>
>
In article <[email protected]>, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am screwing,
>or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off as
>I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>screws?
>
Try waxing the screws. (Ignore advice to soap them -- regardless of whether
you believe soap promotes corrosion or not [it does] -- wax simply works
better.)
Make sure your pilot holes are deep enough.
You may need to counterbore the pilot holes a little bit, to leave room for
the (thicker) unthreaded portion of the shank of the screw.
Make sure you use screws that were made in the US or Canada. Many screws
imported from the Far East, especially from China, are made of inferior steels
that fail when stressed, in exactly the manner you have observed.
--
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I had the same problem. What I found were Vix Bits. They are
self-centering, hinge drilling bits. It will solve your problem. They are
available at Home Depot, Lowes or any woodworking store. Buy a set of
three, believe me, you will use them and be glad you got them.
"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email protected]>, "Dick Snyder"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
>>screwing,
>>or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off
>>as
>>I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>>would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>>advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>>screws?
>>
> Try waxing the screws. (Ignore advice to soap them -- regardless of
> whether
> you believe soap promotes corrosion or not [it does] -- wax simply works
> better.)
>
> Make sure your pilot holes are deep enough.
>
> You may need to counterbore the pilot holes a little bit, to leave room
> for
> the (thicker) unthreaded portion of the shank of the screw.
>
> Make sure you use screws that were made in the US or Canada. Many screws
> imported from the Far East, especially from China, are made of inferior
> steels
> that fail when stressed, in exactly the manner you have observed.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
>
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>
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Thanks to all for your help. This group is really excellent. I was able to
> solve my problem by applying to the threads of the screws some of the
> Johnson's Paste Wax that I use from time to time for my table saw.
>
> Dick Snyder
>
>
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
> >screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
> >screwing, or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the
> >heads off as I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill
> >size that would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing.
> >What advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy
> >more screws?
> >
> > TIA.
I've found the wax in toilet ring seals works great for lubing screws.
I do get some squeeze out, so I recommend being careful on projects
where this could be an issue.
Dan
> >
> > Dick SNyder
> >
First get some higher quality screws from a supplier, I use Lee Valley. Then
I pre-drill as you do and use common bar soap to lubricate the screws.
Sounds like the screws are poor quality.
Todd
"Dan Cullimore" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > Thanks to all for your help. This group is really excellent. I was able
to
> > solve my problem by applying to the threads of the screws some of the
> > Johnson's Paste Wax that I use from time to time for my table saw.
> >
> > Dick Snyder
> >
> >
> > "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > >I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came
with
> > >screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
> > >screwing, or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting
the
> > >heads off as I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest
drill
> > >size that would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same
thing.
> > >What advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to
buy
> > >more screws?
> > >
> > > TIA.
>
> I've found the wax in toilet ring seals works great for lubing screws.
> I do get some squeeze out, so I recommend being careful on projects
> where this could be an issue.
>
> Dan
> > >
> > > Dick SNyder
> > >
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:34 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws.
I've switched to using "hinge screws", made by Spax, buy them (UK)
from Axminster.
They're just screws, with heads - but the head size is "one size down"
from the screw size, so you're effectively fitting a bigger screw into
your hinge. Haven't broken one or had one pull out since I switched.
Handy for locks too.
Unfortunately they're steel pozi, not slotted brass, so they don't cut
it for traditional stuff.
--
Smert' spamionam
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
> screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
screwing,
> or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off
as
> I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
> would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
> advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
> screws?
>
> TIA.
>
> Dick SNyder
>
>
Try rubbing the threads in some hand soap before driving them in. It
lubricates the threads and makes driving them a lot easier. There was a
thread here a few days ago about this also. One thing I recall in it was
that soap will attract moisture and possibly corrode the screws. I've never
had this happen, but it obviously has to someone. If you can find the
thread, I think there were other suggestions too.
Cheers,
Paul
Probably BRASS screws. Use the same size STEEL screw to cut the
threads in the drilled hole BEFORE putting in the softer screws
John
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:34 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am screwing,
>or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off as
>I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>screws?
>
>TIA.
>
>Dick SNyder
>
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:34 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am screwing,
>or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off as
>I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>screws?
>
>TIA.
>
>Dick SNyder
>
go to the hardware store and buy more screws. and get them a little
longer so you don't have to drill the pilot hole so tight.
the screws that come with a lot of hardware these days are junk.
Thanks - I found the thread and read all the replies until the waxed nails
parts. Looks like soap or wax would be the deal for me to use.
"Paul in MN" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>> screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am
> screwing,
>> or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off
> as
>> I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>> would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>> advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>> screws?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>> Dick SNyder
>>
>>
>
> Try rubbing the threads in some hand soap before driving them in. It
> lubricates the threads and makes driving them a lot easier. There was a
> thread here a few days ago about this also. One thing I recall in it was
> that soap will attract moisture and possibly corrode the screws. I've
> never
> had this happen, but it obviously has to someone. If you can find the
> thread, I think there were other suggestions too.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>
Hi Dick,
Not sure what material your screws are made of; But doing a little
screwing here and there myself, this thought occurred to me... Only
cause I read it somewhere.
It's possible being small no-mortise hinges the screws your using are
probably of the antique brass, weathered copper or some other fancy
finish to match the hinges.
If that's the case; the trick that I read is this; Once you drill
your pilot hole. You use a steel screw which are a lot stronger to
actually thread the hole. Same size, same thread style. Then remove
the steel screw, then screw in the screw with the correct finish.
The other benefit - Since your not having to force your finish screw
to make the hole, your not going to mess up or strip out the head of
the finish screw either. So there is no cosmetic damage to deal
with.
Hope this helps...
Pat
On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 16:03:34 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I am trying to put some rather small no mortise hinges on. They came with
>screws. The screws are quite tiny - 1/2" long and quite thin. I am screwing,
>or trying to screw them into an oak frame. I keep twisting the heads off as
>I get close to driving them home. I went to the largest drill size that
>would still leave wood for the threads to bite into - same thing. What
>advice do you have for me before I head to the hardware store to buy more
>screws?
>
>TIA.
>
>Dick SNyder
>