What is it? Set 346

1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
"lid"). Though the subsequent pic seems to show it hanging outside, I
don't think it is/was used outdoors.... that clearcoat finish wouldn't
hold up. I'm supposing it is for light, domestic, indoor use.

Another thought: Possibly, some kind of knick knack shelf that was
once part of another piece.... like treadle sewing machine drawer
framing, removed from an old sewing machine cabinet, and used as a
wall mounted knick knack shelf for small collectibles. From what
original piece it may have come from, if so, I don't have a clue.

I liked the fly rod holder suggestion, too, but it just doesn't seem
large enough or heavy/stable enough for that junction.

Sonny

On Jul 26, 4:53=A0am, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 3:09=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > humunculus wrote:
> > > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >>>news:[email protected]...
> > >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosse=
r"
> > >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> > >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of=
those
> > >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
> > >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
> > >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block =
on
> > >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
> > >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>
> > >> --riverman
>
> > > OK, wild stab in the dark: I think its a pipe rack for holding those
> > > long-stemmed clay pipes and a jar of tobacco...similar (in the most
> > > general sense) to this:http://tinyurl.com/2blqh7u
>
> > > According to this site (http://tinyurl.com/2dkuer8) the stems of thos=
e
> > > pipes run up to about 21 inches...the right size.
>
> > > -riverman
>
> > Pipes are normally stored with the stems up so the passages don't gum
> > up. =A0Besides, no slot is needed if the end can be inserted through th=
e hole.
>
> Normally, yes, but not always. Google "longstem pipe rack" and you
> will see examples of display racks where the pipes are stored stem-
> down. And threading a long clay stem down through a hole is
> considerably less convenient than just slipping them through a slot.
>
> --riverman

Look at this. It was sold as a "pipe holder"
http://tinyurl.com/27gxcwd

--riverman

On Jul 26, 3:36=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> sai=
d:
>
> >> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>
> > That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
> > either side evenly divisible by two.
>
> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung over
> a rack. =A0It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful lest
> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
> sticking.
>
> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. =A0The warmer the candl=
e
> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
> would have to wait before dipping again.
>
> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
> suspended from a marble-sized bead. =A0If you didn't have to worry about
> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. =A0That would
> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
>
> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of
> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into a
> slot.
>
> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kettle
> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
> damaged. =A0I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.

Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.

--riverman

tiredofspam wrote:
> Looks like a fly fishing rod holder, probably from a store. or wealthy
> gent. And the box could hold prized flys.
>
> On 7/23/2010 10:58 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
>> In article<801baaef-860b-4e95-b2af-d3d1c0d454e7@u38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> Northe<[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 1989: I keep thinking that it's a rack that holds smoking pipes, and
>>> that the center item is a humidor. The rubber stamp holder sounded
>>> pretty good, but it looks to me that the slots are too small in
>>> diameter to pass the handles.
>>>
>>> Northe
>> The height of the beast would seem to rule out being a holder for either
>> rubber stamps or pipes. At 21" tall, that pretty much precludes use _on_
>> a desk (or a fireplace mantel, for that matter); it about has to sit on the
>> floor.
>>
>> It _is_ abut the right size to hold a set of fire-place tools, *BUT* I've
>> never seen a set with _ten_ items.
Slotted holes for (tea)spoons.
A carrier to serve tea or coffee, with (tea/coffee)can, cups
and spoons.

On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> said:

> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.

That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
either side evenly divisible by two.

1990 - Guessing, as to function: To grind a measure of product from a
larger block.... of salt, ice? *This model must be for lefthanders!

> 1991--a dust blower, probably for pesticide .... Or for spreading small seed? Seems it would be heavy and/or awkward, to be carrying for a long time. I also thought it may be a handcrank bellow, for a large furnace/fireplace.

Sonny

On Jul 25, 8:27=A0pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> humunculus wrote:
> > On Jul 26, 3:36 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> s=
aid:
> >>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> >>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
> >>> either side evenly divisible by two.
> >> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung ov=
er
> >> a rack. =A0It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful l=
est
> >> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
> >> sticking.
>
> >> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. =A0The warmer the ca=
ndle
> >> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
> >> would have to wait before dipping again.
>
> >> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
> >> suspended from a marble-sized bead. =A0If you didn't have to worry abo=
ut
> >> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. =A0That wo=
uld
> >> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
>
> >> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of
> >> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into =
a
> >> slot.
>
> >> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kett=
le
> >> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
> >> damaged. =A0I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
> >> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.
>
> > Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
> > decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.
>
> > --riverman
>
> What part of the rack is made for decorative form and not function?
>
> Suppose the household needs ten candles a week, made from tallow,
> beeswax, or something else. =A0The quickest method would also be the
> neatest, by getting the wax to stick to the candle instead of dripping.
>
> Before starting, I'd let the kettle cool on the hearth until the wax
> began hardening around the sides. =A0Having it as cool as possible would
> help it stick to a candle instead of melting the candle. =A0Then I'd dip
> quickly so that the candle would stay as cool as possible so that the
> most wax would stick.
>
> The reason to make ten candles at a time would be to allow each candle
> plenty of cooling time between dips, without making the candle maker wait=
.
>
> There would probably be some dripping. =A0To remove hardened wax easily
> for reuse, I'd want finished wood, perhaps wiped with oil just before I
> started dipping.

Candle Dipping at Middleton Place.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/damiavos/4714270328/
Karl

On Jul 26, 3:09=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> humunculus wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of t=
hose
> >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
> >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
> >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
> >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
> >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>
> >> --riverman
>
> > OK, wild stab in the dark: I think its a pipe rack for holding those
> > long-stemmed clay pipes and a jar of tobacco...similar (in the most
> > general sense) to this:http://tinyurl.com/2blqh7u
>
> > According to this site (http://tinyurl.com/2dkuer8) the stems of those
> > pipes run up to about 21 inches...the right size.
>
> > -riverman
>
> Pipes are normally stored with the stems up so the passages don't gum
> up. =A0Besides, no slot is needed if the end can be inserted through the =
hole.

Normally, yes, but not always. Google "longstem pipe rack" and you
will see examples of display racks where the pipes are stored stem-
down. And threading a long clay stem down through a hole is
considerably less convenient than just slipping them through a slot.

--riverman

1989: I keep thinking that it's a rack that holds smoking pipes, and
that the center item is a humidor. The rubber stamp holder sounded
pretty good, but it looks to me that the slots are too small in
diameter to pass the handles.

Northe

On Jul 27, 4:41=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Jul 26, 2:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> [email protected] wrote:
> >>> On Jul 25, 8:27 pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> humunculus wrote:
> >>>>> On Jul 26, 3:36 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>> Steve wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]=
d> said:
> >>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> >>>>>>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes =
on
> >>>>>>> either side evenly divisible by two.
> >>>>>> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slun=
g over
> >>>>>> a rack. =A0It seems to me that you would have to be slow and caref=
ul lest
> >>>>>> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and poss=
ibly
> >>>>>> sticking.
> >>>>>> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. =A0The warmer th=
e candle
> >>>>>> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer=
you
> >>>>>> would have to wait before dipping again.
> >>>>>> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
> >>>>>> suspended from a marble-sized bead. =A0If you didn't have to worry=
about
> >>>>>> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. =A0Tha=
t would
> >>>>>> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
> >>>>>> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge=
of
> >>>>>> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick i=
nto a
> >>>>>> slot.
> >>>>>> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a =
kettle
> >>>>>> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could b=
e
> >>>>>> damaged. =A0I think the center of the table was raised so it could=
be
> >>>>>> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.
> >>>>> Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
> >>>>> decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.
> >>>>> --riverman
> >>>> What part of the rack is made for decorative form and not function?
> >>>> Suppose the household needs ten candles a week, made from tallow,
> >>>> beeswax, or something else. =A0The quickest method would also be the
> >>>> neatest, by getting the wax to stick to the candle instead of drippi=
ng.
> >>>> Before starting, I'd let the kettle cool on the hearth until the wax
> >>>> began hardening around the sides. =A0Having it as cool as possible w=
ould
> >>>> help it stick to a candle instead of melting the candle. =A0Then I'd=
dip
> >>>> quickly so that the candle would stay as cool as possible so that th=
e
> >>>> most wax would stick.
> >>>> The reason to make ten candles at a time would be to allow each cand=
le
> >>>> plenty of cooling time between dips, without making the candle maker=
wait.
> >>>> There would probably be some dripping. =A0To remove hardened wax eas=
ily
> >>>> for reuse, I'd want finished wood, perhaps wiped with oil just befor=
e I
> >>>> started dipping.
> >>> Candle Dipping at Middleton Place.
> >>>http://www.flickr.com/photos/damiavos/4714270328/
> >>> Karl
> >> With seven big kettles, they must have made hundreds of pounds of
> >> candles at a time. =A0Many of the candles are pointed at the bottom. =
=A0I
> >> think that means that during dipping, the bottoms tended to overheat.
>
> >> A small household operation might minimize the problem by dipping
> >> candles quickly, one by one.
>
> > Actually they only used one pot. The rest are just decoration. If I
> > remember correctly the pot was partially filled with water with the
> > wax floating on top so they wouldn't need so much. There was no real
> > training one person would just show another how they'd been shown to
> > do it. It was just done for the tourists. I was taught blacksmithing
> > there by the farrier. I made shingles there but didn't find out how to
> > do it right till many years later.
> > Karl
>
> Hot water! =A0I remember making blocks of wax from honeycomb that way.
>
> That could explain why some candles are shaped like carrots. =A0 =A0Water
> holds a lot of heat. =A0If the end of the candle extended into the water,
> it could get especially warm. =A0It wouldn't accumulate much wax.
>
> I think I'd prefer using a small kettle on a little table. =A0I wouldn't
> have to do any walking because I could reach all ten candles from my chai=
r.

They=A0do=A0sit=A0in=A0a=A0chair.=A0The=A0thing=A0the=A0candles=A0are=A0on=
=A0rotates.

On Jul 25, 2:03=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>
> > Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of thos=
e
> > before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>
> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.

And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
bottle in the 'cage'.....

--riverman

Looks like a fly fishing rod holder, probably from a store. or wealthy
gent. And the box could hold prized flys.

On 7/23/2010 10:58 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article<801baaef-860b-4e95-b2af-d3d1c0d454e7@u38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Northe<[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1989: I keep thinking that it's a rack that holds smoking pipes, and
>> that the center item is a humidor. The rubber stamp holder sounded
>> pretty good, but it looks to me that the slots are too small in
>> diameter to pass the handles.
>>
>> Northe
>
> The height of the beast would seem to rule out being a holder for either
> rubber stamps or pipes. At 21" tall, that pretty much precludes use _on_
> a desk (or a fireplace mantel, for that matter); it about has to sit on the
> floor.
>
> It _is_ abut the right size to hold a set of fire-place tools, *BUT* I've
> never seen a set with _ten_ items.

"Alexander Thesoso" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> 1987 Clearly some kind of weekly event and data recorder.

Seismograph, mechanical or clockwork driven, seven day. Nah, maybe for water
level for reservoir perhaps.

>
> 1988 I'll guess this is a fireman's hose valve-clamp. Kick end bar left
> to release the lever, place hose in right hand section. Step on lever to
> clamp the hose off. Seft hand spring loaded section holds the lever down,
> keeping water shut off. Kick left hand bar again to restore flow.
>
> 1991 Insecticide/pesticide dispenser. Crank runs blower. Powder to be
> blown/spread goies in center compartment. Shaft on crank jiggles
> something to drop powder into air stream. Blower rests on user's belly.
> strap on loop between sections goes around users neck to support the
> weight.
>
> 1992 Beehive for someone who really likes to treat his bees well.
>
>
> "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
>

In article <801baaef-860b-4e95-b2af-d3d1c0d454e7@u38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Northe <[email protected]> wrote:
>1989: I keep thinking that it's a rack that holds smoking pipes, and
>that the center item is a humidor. The rubber stamp holder sounded
>pretty good, but it looks to me that the slots are too small in
>diameter to pass the handles.
>
>Northe

The height of the beast would seem to rule out being a holder for either
rubber stamps or pipes. At 21" tall, that pretty much precludes use _on_
a desk (or a fireplace mantel, for that matter); it about has to sit on the
floor.

It _is_ abut the right size to hold a set of fire-place tools, *BUT* I've
never seen a set with _ten_ items.

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> fired this volley in news:i2cl9802rk9
@news7.newsguy.com:

>
> My inclination is belts or ties.

Too close to the floor. They'd end up getting dirty, and not convenient to
bend down to pick one.

LLoyd

In article <[email protected]>, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I emailed the person who sent me this photo and asked if there is a
>> compartment on the top but haven't heard back yet. I like the fishing rod
>> holder idea although other rod holders that I've seen have a resting place
>> for the end of the rod as seen here:
>>
>> http://craftwoodracks.com/12rodrack.aspx
>>
>>
>> All of the other items have been answered correctly this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/07/set-346.html#answers
>
>
>I got a reply about the stand, there is no compartment at the top, here is
>another photo of it:
>
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1989b.jpg
>
>I guess the ring is for lifting the stand to move it around.

But, its in the _wrong_ place for that. If it was a carry-handle, it
would be centered front-to-back, for balance. As the 2nd picture shows,
it's apparently for hanging it on a wall. That pretty well rules out
fireplace tools, too.


'Something' hangs from the upper board, with a narrow 'neck' below the
top, that will fit through the slot. "Fireplace tools" is one of very
few things I can think of with around the right dimensions. And,
all the others (e.g. branding irons, _big_ files, Roman 'short swords')
would -not- be kept in a rack like that.

Maybe a rack for _tall_ glass stemware (like oversize champagne flutes'),
held bottom-side up?

Maybe it's from a tack room at a horse facility. _NO_ idea what use it
would have there, but that place is good for *LOTS* of really strange
stuff. :)

As Yul Brynner said: 'Tiz a puzzlement". <wry grin>

On Jul 25, 7:30=A0pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2:03=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>
> > > Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of th=
ose
> > > before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>
> > Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>
> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>
> --riverman

Or why not something like this?
http://tinyurl.com/27aameh

--riverman

On Jul 25, 7:30=A0pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jul 25, 2:03=A0pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> >news:[email protected]...
>
> > > In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > >>How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>
> > > Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of th=
ose
> > > before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>
> > Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>
> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>
> --riverman

OK, wild stab in the dark: I think its a pipe rack for holding those
long-stemmed clay pipes and a jar of tobacco...similar (in the most
general sense) to this: http://tinyurl.com/2blqh7u

According to this site (http://tinyurl.com/2dkuer8) the stems of those
pipes run up to about 21 inches...the right size.

-riverman

On Jul 26, 3:11=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> humunculus wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of t=
hose
> >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
> >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
> >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
> >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
> >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>
> >> --riverman
>
> > Or why not something like this?
> >http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>
> > --riverman
>
> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?

I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.

--riverman

On Jul 28, 11:48=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Jul 27, 4:41 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> Karl
> >> Hot water! =A0I remember making blocks of wax from honeycomb that way.
>
> >> That could explain why some candles are shaped like carrots. =A0 =A0Wa=
ter
> >> holds a lot of heat. =A0If the end of the candle extended into the wat=
er,
> >> it could get especially warm. =A0It wouldn't accumulate much wax.
>
> >> I think I'd prefer using a small kettle on a little table. =A0I wouldn=
't
> >> have to do any walking because I could reach all ten candles from my c=
hair.
>
> > They do sit in a chair. The thing the candles are on rotates.
>
> It appears to me that a sitting person would need long arms to turn the
> stand, lift a rack of candles, and dip them in a big kettle.

I remember them doing a lot of sitting but maybe that was in between
tourists.

On Jul 26, 2:11=A0am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 8:27 pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> humunculus wrote:
> >>> On Jul 26, 3:36 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>> Steve wrote:
> >>>>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]>=
said:
> >>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> >>>>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
> >>>>> either side evenly divisible by two.
> >>>> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung =
over
> >>>> a rack. =A0It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful=
lest
> >>>> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possib=
ly
> >>>> sticking.
> >>>> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. =A0The warmer the =
candle
> >>>> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer y=
ou
> >>>> would have to wait before dipping again.
> >>>> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
> >>>> suspended from a marble-sized bead. =A0If you didn't have to worry a=
bout
> >>>> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. =A0That =
would
> >>>> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
> >>>> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge o=
f
> >>>> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick int=
o a
> >>>> slot.
> >>>> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a ke=
ttle
> >>>> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
> >>>> damaged. =A0I think the center of the table was raised so it could b=
e
> >>>> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.
> >>> Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
> >>> decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.
> >>> --riverman
> >> What part of the rack is made for decorative form and not function?
>
> >> Suppose the household needs ten candles a week, made from tallow,
> >> beeswax, or something else. =A0The quickest method would also be the
> >> neatest, by getting the wax to stick to the candle instead of dripping=
.
>
> >> Before starting, I'd let the kettle cool on the hearth until the wax
> >> began hardening around the sides. =A0Having it as cool as possible wou=
ld
> >> help it stick to a candle instead of melting the candle. =A0Then I'd d=
ip
> >> quickly so that the candle would stay as cool as possible so that the
> >> most wax would stick.
>
> >> The reason to make ten candles at a time would be to allow each candle
> >> plenty of cooling time between dips, without making the candle maker w=
ait.
>
> >> There would probably be some dripping. =A0To remove hardened wax easil=
y
> >> for reuse, I'd want finished wood, perhaps wiped with oil just before =
I
> >> started dipping.
>
> > Candle Dipping at Middleton Place.
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/damiavos/4714270328/
> > Karl
>
> With seven big kettles, they must have made hundreds of pounds of
> candles at a time. =A0Many of the candles are pointed at the bottom. =A0I
> think that means that during dipping, the bottoms tended to overheat.
>
> A small household operation might minimize the problem by dipping
> candles quickly, one by one.

Actually they only used one pot. The rest are just decoration. If I
remember correctly the pot was partially filled with water with the
wax floating on top so they wouldn't need so much. There was no real
training one person would just show another how they'd been shown to
do it. It was just done for the tourists. I was taught blacksmithing
there by the farrier. I made shingles there but didn't find out how to
do it right till many years later.
Karl

On 7/22/2010 5:08 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1991--a dust blower, probably for pesticide

1987 Clearly some kind of weekly event and data recorder.

1988 I'll guess this is a fireman's hose valve-clamp. Kick end bar left to
release the lever, place hose in right hand section. Step on lever to clamp
the hose off. Seft hand spring loaded section holds the lever down, keeping
water shut off. Kick left hand bar again to restore flow.

1991 Insecticide/pesticide dispenser. Crank runs blower. Powder to be
blown/spread goies in center compartment. Shaft on crank jiggles something
to drop powder into air stream. Blower rests on user's belly. strap on
loop between sections goes around users neck to support the weight.

1992 Beehive for someone who really likes to treat his bees well.


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

> 1988 I'll guess this is a fireman's hose valve-clamp. Kick end bar left
> to release the lever, place hose in right hand section. Step on lever to
> clamp the hose off. Seft hand spring loaded section holds the lever down,
> keeping water shut off. Kick left hand bar again to restore flow.

Correct, though I think it was rusted shut, we tried to open it but had no
luck.


> 1992 Beehive for someone who really likes to treat his bees well.


Yes, it's a "movable comb bee hive"



Rob

Rob H. wrote:
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1987: Workman's time recorder from about 1900. For up to 100 employees,
each checking in and out several times a day.

Rob H. wrote:
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1987 - Weekly event recorder. Could be used for a variety of things.

1988 - Looks like an older adjustable hose clamp. Used to clamp off a
broken line or to shut off the flow remotely.

1989 -

1990 -

1991 - Old plant duster. The new plastic version got used yesterday to
dust my tomato plants.

1992 -


--
Steve W.

Rob H. wrote:
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1990: It's designed so it can't possibly fall into the hole it makes.

How would a farmer or perhaps fireman draw water from a pond with ice
just thick enough to support him? If he chops a hole, the ice will
crack and he'll have wet feet. So maybe he pushes out a seat designed
to spread his weight and drills a neat hole with 1990.

On 7/22/2010 3:13 PM, J Burns wrote:
> Rob H. wrote:
>> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob
>
> 1987: Workman's time recorder from about 1900. For up to 100 employees,
> each checking in and out several times a day.

I _thought_ it looked something like a prop from "Metropolis".

John G wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:08:14 -0400, "Rob H."<[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>> Rob

1989: Silks that a lady might wrap over her head (she might keep
pins/clips in the little box)???

Bill

Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article <801baaef-860b-4e95-b2af-d3d1c0d454e7@u38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Northe <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1989: I keep thinking that it's a rack that holds smoking pipes, and
>> that the center item is a humidor. The rubber stamp holder sounded
>> pretty good, but it looks to me that the slots are too small in
>> diameter to pass the handles.
>>
>> Northe
>
> The height of the beast would seem to rule out being a holder for either
> rubber stamps or pipes. At 21" tall, that pretty much precludes use _on_
> a desk (or a fireplace mantel, for that matter); it about has to sit on the
> floor.
>
> It _is_ abut the right size to hold a set of fire-place tools, *BUT* I've
> never seen a set with _ten_ items.

A slot leading to a hole suggests hanging an item that's bigger than the
hole at each end and thinner than the slot in the middle. The middle
could be a cord or wire or rod or chain, for example.

If the table is 21" high, that could be a convenient height for a
sitting person, and the hanging items could be much shorter.

The shelf sticks out where somebody might kick it. Perhaps it sticks
out to hold a cloth to catch drips from the hanging items.

I don't assume it's a box on the table. If the ring were to lift the
lid, wouldn't there be hinges on the near side? Wouldn't a drawer work
better? It could be opened without disturbing items on top. The top is
marred like a work surface. Is the ring to hang the table on a wall to
free floorspace?

Perhaps it's a table to work on an item with ten pieces that can be
hung. Perhaps they are hung to keep them sorted by length, to prevent
damage, or to prevent tangling. Perhaps they are hung to dry after
washing, oiling, or painting.

On 7/23/2010 10:58 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article<801baaef-860b-4e95-b2af-d3d1c0d454e7@u38g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> Northe<[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1989: I keep thinking that it's a rack that holds smoking pipes, and
>> that the center item is a humidor. The rubber stamp holder sounded
>> pretty good, but it looks to me that the slots are too small in
>> diameter to pass the handles.
>>
>> Northe
>
> The height of the beast would seem to rule out being a holder for either
> rubber stamps or pipes. At 21" tall, that pretty much precludes use _on_
> a desk (or a fireplace mantel, for that matter); it about has to sit on the
> floor.
>
> It _is_ abut the right size to hold a set of fire-place tools, *BUT* I've
> never seen a set with _ten_ items.

My inclination is belts or ties.

> Looks like a fly fishing rod holder, probably from a store. or wealthy
> gent. And the box could hold prized flys.


I emailed the person who sent me this photo and asked if there is a
compartment on the top but haven't heard back yet. I like the fishing rod
holder idea although other rod holders that I've seen have a resting place
for the end of the rod as seen here:

http://craftwoodracks.com/12rodrack.aspx


All of the other items have been answered correctly this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/07/set-346.html#answers


Rob

> I emailed the person who sent me this photo and asked if there is a
> compartment on the top but haven't heard back yet. I like the fishing rod
> holder idea although other rod holders that I've seen have a resting place
> for the end of the rod as seen here:
>
> http://craftwoodracks.com/12rodrack.aspx
>
>
> All of the other items have been answered correctly this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/07/set-346.html#answers


I got a reply about the stand, there is no compartment at the top, here is
another photo of it:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1989b.jpg

I guess the ring is for lifting the stand to move it around.

Rob

Rob H. wrote:
>
>> I emailed the person who sent me this photo and asked if there is a
>> compartment on the top but haven't heard back yet. I like the fishing
>> rod holder idea although other rod holders that I've seen have a
>> resting place for the end of the rod as seen here:
>>
>> http://craftwoodracks.com/12rodrack.aspx

Slotted holes wouldn't work for fishing rods. A rod small enough to go
through a slot could just as well fall out through the slot. As you
noted, it would also be important to have cavities in the lower shelf
for the butts of the rods.

I remember one place I've seen a slotted hole: a lever for a control
cable terminated with a bead. You slide the cable through the slot, and
when you pull it tight, the bead presses against the hole and keeps the
cable from slipping out.

>>
>>
>> All of the other items have been answered correctly this week:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2010/07/set-346.html#answers
>
>
> I got a reply about the stand, there is no compartment at the top, here
> is another photo of it:
>
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album11/pic1989b.jpg
>
> I guess the ring is for lifting the stand to move it around.
>
> Rob

If I lifted it by the ring, it would swing. I'd pick it up by two legs
or put my palm under the top.

I think the ring was included for hanging on a wall as pictured. If it
normally hangs on the wall, it looks like a work table for a particular
task.

If the task involved hitting something with a mallet, the "chopping
block" at the center of the table would provide a stiff, massive surface.

In article <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>"lid").

Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...

Doug Miller wrote:
> In article <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>> utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>> "lid").
>
> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...

The slots appear to be 1/8" wide. Big enough for a wire, cord, small
chain, or slender rod.

The holes appear to be 3/10". The center-to-center distance appears to
be about 5/8".

I think it was to hang ten items made with wire, chain, cord, or rods
less than 1/8" in diameter. Whether or not the fitting at the top end
was a bead, it must have been larger than 0.3" and smaller than 5/8".
The items would have been less than 18" long from the bead, for the top
of the bottom shelf appares to be less than 18" from the top of the holes.

The top appears to be 13" wide and the shelf 17" wide. There must have
been a reason to have the shelf jut out where it could be kicked. I
wonder if it was to make it easy to place a pan or cloth to catch drips
from the hanging items.

The marred block on top suggests to me that the work involved tapping.
I'm trying to guess what items would have teen tapped, treated with a
liquid, and hung up ten at a time. It doesn't seem tall enough for
necklaces, and I don't know of such parts in a musical instrument.

"J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article
>> <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>>> utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>>> "lid").
>>
>> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...
>
> The slots appear to be 1/8" wide. Big enough for a wire, cord, small
> chain, or slender rod.
>
> The holes appear to be 3/10". The center-to-center distance appears to be
> about 5/8".
>
> I think it was to hang ten items made with wire, chain, cord, or rods less
> than 1/8" in diameter. Whether or not the fitting at the top end was a
> bead, it must have been larger than 0.3" and smaller than 5/8". The items
> would have been less than 18" long from the bead, for the top of the
> bottom shelf appares to be less than 18" from the top of the holes.
>
> The top appears to be 13" wide and the shelf 17" wide. There must have
> been a reason to have the shelf jut out where it could be kicked. I
> wonder if it was to make it easy to place a pan or cloth to catch drips
> from the hanging items.
>
> The marred block on top suggests to me that the work involved tapping. I'm
> trying to guess what items would have teen tapped, treated with a liquid,
> and hung up ten at a time. It doesn't seem tall enough for necklaces, and
> I don't know of such parts in a musical instrument.
>

How about candles? Hanging by the wick.

In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>"J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>>>> utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>>>> "lid").
>>>
>>> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...
>>
>> The slots appear to be 1/8" wide. Big enough for a wire, cord, small
>> chain, or slender rod.
>>
>> The holes appear to be 3/10". The center-to-center distance appears to be
>> about 5/8".
>>
>> I think it was to hang ten items made with wire, chain, cord, or rods less
>> than 1/8" in diameter. Whether or not the fitting at the top end was a
>> bead, it must have been larger than 0.3" and smaller than 5/8". The items
>> would have been less than 18" long from the bead, for the top of the
>> bottom shelf appares to be less than 18" from the top of the holes.
>>
>> The top appears to be 13" wide and the shelf 17" wide. There must have
>> been a reason to have the shelf jut out where it could be kicked. I
>> wonder if it was to make it easy to place a pan or cloth to catch drips
>> from the hanging items.
>>
>> The marred block on top suggests to me that the work involved tapping. I'm
>> trying to guess what items would have teen tapped, treated with a liquid,
>> and hung up ten at a time. It doesn't seem tall enough for necklaces, and
>> I don't know of such parts in a musical instrument.
>>
>
>How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>
Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
before somewhere, and I think that's it.

In article <[email protected]>, "DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 2010-07-24, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
>> In article
> <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Sonny
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>>>utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>>>"lid").
>>
>> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...
>
>
> Hmm ... how tall is a magnum of Champaigne?

Height of the *bottle* is not relevant.

> It might have been
>used for outdoor wedding celebrations and the like?
>
> Are the slots narrow enough to pass the stems of such glasses?

Sure doesn't look like it to me.

"Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>
> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
> before somewhere, and I think that's it.


Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.

Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Doug Miller wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
>>> Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>>>> utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>>>> "lid").
>>>
>>> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...
>>
>> The slots appear to be 1/8" wide. Big enough for a wire, cord, small
>> chain, or slender rod.
>>
>> The holes appear to be 3/10". The center-to-center distance appears
>> to be about 5/8".
>>
>> I think it was to hang ten items made with wire, chain, cord, or rods
>> less than 1/8" in diameter. Whether or not the fitting at the top end
>> was a bead, it must have been larger than 0.3" and smaller than 5/8".
>> The items would have been less than 18" long from the bead, for the
>> top of the bottom shelf appares to be less than 18" from the top of
>> the holes.
>>
>> The top appears to be 13" wide and the shelf 17" wide. There must
>> have been a reason to have the shelf jut out where it could be
>> kicked. I wonder if it was to make it easy to place a pan or cloth to
>> catch drips from the hanging items.
>>
>> The marred block on top suggests to me that the work involved tapping.
>> I'm trying to guess what items would have teen tapped, treated with a
>> liquid, and hung up ten at a time. It doesn't seem tall enough for
>> necklaces, and I don't know of such parts in a musical instrument.
>>
>
> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.

I guess they would have dripped as the tallow cooled. You'd want to
catch the drips. When you weren't making candles, you'd hang the table
on the wall before somebody tripped on it. I'm going to read up on
candlemaking!

humunculus wrote:
> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>
>> --riverman
>
> OK, wild stab in the dark: I think its a pipe rack for holding those
> long-stemmed clay pipes and a jar of tobacco...similar (in the most
> general sense) to this: http://tinyurl.com/2blqh7u
>
> According to this site (http://tinyurl.com/2dkuer8) the stems of those
> pipes run up to about 21 inches...the right size.
>
> -riverman

Pipes are normally stored with the stems up so the passages don't gum
up. Besides, no slot is needed if the end can be inserted through the hole.

humunculus wrote:
> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>
>> --riverman
>
> Or why not something like this?
> http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>
> --riverman

Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?

Steve wrote:
> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> said:
>
>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>
> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
> either side evenly divisible by two.
>
Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung over
a rack. It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful lest
the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
sticking.

I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. The warmer the candle
got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
would have to wait before dipping again.

I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
suspended from a marble-sized bead. If you didn't have to worry about
knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. That would
mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.

If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of
the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into a
slot.

Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kettle
full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
damaged. I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.

Hey guys...
Candle dipping, candle making is (roughly) and industrial process. It is
unlikely that anyone would heat up a vat of tallow, dip 10 canldles, and
then move on. I doubt that anyone involved in making candles would want a
pretty thing like 1989 to hang the partial candles from. The wax that drips
would be recycled into the vat. 1989 seems to have no provision to catch
the drippings. 1989 (I argue) has a social display function, and is hardly
likely to be a candle dipping rack.
That said, I've no idea what would be displayed and hung from 1989.




"J Burns" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Steve wrote:
>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> said:
>>
>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>
>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
>> either side evenly divisible by two.
>>
> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung over a
> rack. It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful lest the
> candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
> sticking.
>
> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. The warmer the candle
> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
> would have to wait before dipping again.
>
> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each suspended
> from a marble-sized bead. If you didn't have to worry about knocking
> candles together, you could dip them very briefly. That would mean adding
> more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
>
> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of the
> table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into a slot.
>
> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kettle
> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
> damaged. I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.

humunculus wrote:
> On Jul 26, 3:09 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>> humunculus wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
>>>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
>>>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>> --riverman
>>> OK, wild stab in the dark: I think its a pipe rack for holding those
>>> long-stemmed clay pipes and a jar of tobacco...similar (in the most
>>> general sense) to this:http://tinyurl.com/2blqh7u
>>> According to this site (http://tinyurl.com/2dkuer8) the stems of those
>>> pipes run up to about 21 inches...the right size.
>>> -riverman
>> Pipes are normally stored with the stems up so the passages don't gum
>> up. Besides, no slot is needed if the end can be inserted through the hole.
>
> Normally, yes, but not always. Google "longstem pipe rack" and you
> will see examples of display racks where the pipes are stored stem-
> down. And threading a long clay stem down through a hole is
> considerably less convenient than just slipping them through a slot.
>
> --riverman

I googled it and found just one, holding two clay pipes that had never
been smoked.

According to my measurements of Rob's first photo, the diameter of the
holes is about 2.7% of the length of the top. According to my
measurements of Rob's second photo, the top is about 13 inches long.

That indicates that the diameter of the holes is about 0.35". The stems
of some clay pipes would probably fit in the holes, but no clay pipe
stem wold fit through the slots.

humunculus wrote:
> On Jul 26, 4:53 am, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Jul 26, 3:09 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> humunculus wrote:
>>>> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
>>>>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>>>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>>>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
>>>>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>>>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>>> --riverman
>>>> OK, wild stab in the dark: I think its a pipe rack for holding those
>>>> long-stemmed clay pipes and a jar of tobacco...similar (in the most
>>>> general sense) to this:http://tinyurl.com/2blqh7u
>>>> According to this site (http://tinyurl.com/2dkuer8) the stems of those
>>>> pipes run up to about 21 inches...the right size.
>>>> -riverman
>>> Pipes are normally stored with the stems up so the passages don't gum
>>> up. Besides, no slot is needed if the end can be inserted through the hole.
>> Normally, yes, but not always. Google "longstem pipe rack" and you
>> will see examples of display racks where the pipes are stored stem-
>> down. And threading a long clay stem down through a hole is
>> considerably less convenient than just slipping them through a slot.
>>
>> --riverman
>
> Look at this. It was sold as a "pipe holder"
> http://tinyurl.com/27gxcwd
>
> --riverman

It looks good to me. The bowls would rest in the trough in the bottom
ring. In the top ring, the "slots" are about as wide as the "holes."

humunculus wrote:
> On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>> humunculus wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of those
>>>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
>>>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>> --riverman
>>> Or why not something like this?
>>> http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>>> --riverman
>> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?
>
> I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.
>
> --riverman

Why put legs on a hanging rack? Why put a big bottom shelf 18" below a
spoon rack? If it's to display spoons, shouldn't the holes be along the
long side away from the wall?

When a spoon rack has holes and slots, apparently one slides the handle
through the slot, then turns the spoon 90 degrees. In that case, the
spoons couldn't be wider than 5/8" because that's approximately the
center-to-center spacing of the holes.

"humunculus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ede95554-5170-4a28-beee-e5c7a49b5d60@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
> humunculus wrote:
> > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >>>news:[email protected]...
> >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
> >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one of
> >>>> those
> >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
> >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
> >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
> >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
> >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>
> >> --riverman
>
> > Or why not something like this?
> >http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>
> > --riverman
>
> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?

I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.

--riverman

-----------------------------
But why that long?

humunculus wrote:
> On Jul 26, 3:36 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> said:
>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
>>> either side evenly divisible by two.
>> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung over
>> a rack. It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful lest
>> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
>> sticking.
>>
>> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. The warmer the candle
>> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
>> would have to wait before dipping again.
>>
>> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
>> suspended from a marble-sized bead. If you didn't have to worry about
>> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. That would
>> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
>>
>> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of
>> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into a
>> slot.
>>
>> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kettle
>> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
>> damaged. I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
>> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.
>
> Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
> decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.
>
> --riverman

What part of the rack is made for decorative form and not function?

Suppose the household needs ten candles a week, made from tallow,
beeswax, or something else. The quickest method would also be the
neatest, by getting the wax to stick to the candle instead of dripping.

Before starting, I'd let the kettle cool on the hearth until the wax
began hardening around the sides. Having it as cool as possible would
help it stick to a candle instead of melting the candle. Then I'd dip
quickly so that the candle would stay as cool as possible so that the
most wax would stick.

The reason to make ten candles at a time would be to allow each candle
plenty of cooling time between dips, without making the candle maker wait.

There would probably be some dripping. To remove hardened wax easily
for reuse, I'd want finished wood, perhaps wiped with oil just before I
started dipping.

On 7/26/2010 2:15 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
> "humunculus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:ede95554-5170-4a28-beee-e5c7a49b5d60@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>> humunculus wrote:
>> > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >>>news:[email protected]...
>> >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby Dosser"
>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>> >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one
>> of >>>> those
>> >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>> >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>> >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block on
>> >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>> >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>
>> >> --riverman
>>
>> > Or why not something like this?
>> >http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>>
>> > --riverman
>>
>> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?
>
> I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.

All of this mention of "tripping over" and "it would be too low" and so
on are assuming that the thing is meant to sit on the floor. Why would
it not be placed on a dresser or table or shelf?

[email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 25, 8:27 pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>> humunculus wrote:
>>> On Jul 26, 3:36 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> said:
>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
>>>>> either side evenly divisible by two.
>>>> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung over
>>>> a rack. It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful lest
>>>> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
>>>> sticking.
>>>> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. The warmer the candle
>>>> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
>>>> would have to wait before dipping again.
>>>> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
>>>> suspended from a marble-sized bead. If you didn't have to worry about
>>>> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. That would
>>>> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
>>>> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of
>>>> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into a
>>>> slot.
>>>> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kettle
>>>> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
>>>> damaged. I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
>>>> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.
>>> Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
>>> decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.
>>> --riverman
>> What part of the rack is made for decorative form and not function?
>>
>> Suppose the household needs ten candles a week, made from tallow,
>> beeswax, or something else. The quickest method would also be the
>> neatest, by getting the wax to stick to the candle instead of dripping.
>>
>> Before starting, I'd let the kettle cool on the hearth until the wax
>> began hardening around the sides. Having it as cool as possible would
>> help it stick to a candle instead of melting the candle. Then I'd dip
>> quickly so that the candle would stay as cool as possible so that the
>> most wax would stick.
>>
>> The reason to make ten candles at a time would be to allow each candle
>> plenty of cooling time between dips, without making the candle maker wait.
>>
>> There would probably be some dripping. To remove hardened wax easily
>> for reuse, I'd want finished wood, perhaps wiped with oil just before I
>> started dipping.
>
> Candle Dipping at Middleton Place.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/damiavos/4714270328/
> Karl

With seven big kettles, they must have made hundreds of pounds of
candles at a time. Many of the candles are pointed at the bottom. I
think that means that during dipping, the bottoms tended to overheat.

A small household operation might minimize the problem by dipping
candles quickly, one by one.

J. Clarke wrote:
> On 7/26/2010 2:15 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "humunculus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:ede95554-5170-4a28-beee-e5c7a49b5d60@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> humunculus wrote:
>>> > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >>>news:[email protected]...
>>> >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby
>>> Dosser"
>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>> >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one
>>> of >>>> those
>>> >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>> >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>> >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little
>>> block on
>>> >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>> >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>
>>> >> --riverman
>>>
>>> > Or why not something like this?
>>> >http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>>>
>>> > --riverman
>>>
>>> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?
>>
>> I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.
>
> All of this mention of "tripping over" and "it would be too low" and so
> on are assuming that the thing is meant to sit on the floor. Why would
> it not be placed on a dresser or table or shelf?

If it's for display, why take up space on a dresser or table or shelf?
Why not hang it at the ideal height? However, the large ring suggests
to me that it was intended to be hung up frequently and not left on the
wall like a display rack.

1987 no clue
1988 fireman's hose clamp
1989 it's obvious to me. It's an end table for a pipe smoker.
1990, I don't know for sure. But, my best guess is that it's used by
ice delivery man to get some quick chips of ice for his own comfort.
1991 totally no clue
1992 honeycomb for raising bees.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.

Rob H. wrote:
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

"J. Clarke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 7/26/2010 2:15 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> "humunculus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:ede95554-5170-4a28-beee-e5c7a49b5d60@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> humunculus wrote:
>>> > On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>> "Doug Miller" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >>>news:[email protected]...
>>> >>>> In article <[email protected]>, "Lobby
>>> >>>> Dosser"
>>> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>> >>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one
>>> of >>>> those
>>> >>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>> >>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>> >> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block
>>> >> on
>>> >> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>> >> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>
>>> >> --riverman
>>>
>>> > Or why not something like this?
>>> >http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>>>
>>> > --riverman
>>>
>>> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?
>>
>> I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.
>
> All of this mention of "tripping over" and "it would be too low" and so on
> are assuming that the thing is meant to sit on the floor. Why would it
> not be placed on a dresser or table or shelf?

Taverns used to keep long stem (16") clay pipes for the use of their
patrons. After each use, an inch or so would be broken off the stem so that
it would have a clean bit for the next user.
I can easily see a situation where a tavern owner would hang the rack on the
wall to keep it out of harms way. When a customer would request a pipe, the
barkeep could take the rack off the wall and set it on the bar so the
customer could select one.

Paul K. Dickman

On 7/26/2010 5:43 PM, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 7/26/2010 2:15 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>> "humunculus"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:ede95554-5170-4a28-beee-e5c7a49b5d60@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> humunculus wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Doug Miller"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, "Lobby
>>>>>>>> Dosser"
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one
>>>> of>>>> those
>>>>>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>>>>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>>>>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>>>>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>>
>>>>>> --riverman
>>>>
>>>>> Or why not something like this?
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>>>>
>>>>> --riverman
>>>>
>>>> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?
>>>
>>> I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.
>>
>> All of this mention of "tripping over" and "it would be too low" and so on
>> are assuming that the thing is meant to sit on the floor. Why would it
>> not be placed on a dresser or table or shelf?
>
> Taverns used to keep long stem (16") clay pipes for the use of their
> patrons. After each use, an inch or so would be broken off the stem so that
> it would have a clean bit for the next user.
> I can easily see a situation where a tavern owner would hang the rack on the
> wall to keep it out of harms way. When a customer would request a pipe, the
> barkeep could take the rack off the wall and set it on the bar so the
> customer could select one.
>
> Paul K. Dickman
>
>
I think this is a good possibility. Here's a much simpler version:
"http://www.foxrivertraders.com/PROD43.HTM"

Mouse wrote:
> On 7/26/2010 5:43 PM, Paul K. Dickman wrote:
>> "J. Clarke"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 7/26/2010 2:15 AM, Lobby Dosser wrote:
>>>> "humunculus"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:ede95554-5170-4a28-beee-e5c7a49b5d60@x20g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 26, 3:11 am, J Burns<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> humunculus wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 7:30 pm, humunculus<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2:03 pm, "Lobby Dosser"<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Doug Miller"<[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>>>>>> In article<[email protected]>, "Lobby
>>>>>>>>> Dosser"
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>>>>>> Ding ding ding! I think we have a winner! I *knew* I'd seen one
>>>>> of>>>> those
>>>>>>>>> before somewhere, and I think that's it.
>>>>>>>> Problem is, I've never seen one that looks like that. Even googled.
>>>>>>> And I'd expect to see wax all over the thing. Does the little block
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> top open up? It sure looks like a rack to hold fancy glasses and a
>>>>>>> bottle in the 'cage'.....
>>>>>
>>>>>>> --riverman
>>>>>
>>>>>> Or why not something like this?
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/27aameh
>>>>>
>>>>>> --riverman
>>>>>
>>>>> Why display spoons on a stand that somebody could trip over?
>>>>
>>>> I think it might have hung, just as it does in the picture.
>>>
>>> All of this mention of "tripping over" and "it would be too low" and
>>> so on
>>> are assuming that the thing is meant to sit on the floor. Why would it
>>> not be placed on a dresser or table or shelf?
>>
>> Taverns used to keep long stem (16") clay pipes for the use of their
>> patrons. After each use, an inch or so would be broken off the stem so
>> that
>> it would have a clean bit for the next user.
>> I can easily see a situation where a tavern owner would hang the rack
>> on the
>> wall to keep it out of harms way. When a customer would request a
>> pipe, the
>> barkeep could take the rack off the wall and set it on the bar so the
>> customer could select one.
>>
>> Paul K. Dickman
>>
>>
> I think this is a good possibility. Here's a much simpler version:
> "http://www.foxrivertraders.com/PROD43.HTM"

Fox River Traders was correct in saying their clay pipes were identical
to those in colonial Williamsburg. Pipes from the simple molds of
Shakespeare's time were still produced late in the 20th Century.

They said the part about taking long-stemmed pipes from racks on tavern
walls and breaking the ends off was a story. It helped sell racks, but
I don't believe the story.

Clay lets you taste tobacco better than other pipes, but brier became
more popular late in the 19th Century due to three drawbacks of clay
pipes: they're brittle, the bowl gets too hot to hold, and the passage
is narrow.

English companies produces lots of clay pipes about 6" long because they
could be carried in a pocket and were very cheap. The smoker had to
take care not to burn his fingers and his tongue.

Long-stemmed pipes were more fragile and more expensive, but the smoke
was cooler and they could be held comfortably by the stem. It's
unlikely that a tavern keeper would lend expensive long-stemmed pipes to
customers. It's even more unlikely that a customer would ruin a
long-stemmed pipe by breaking it. Wiping would probably have been
considered adequate. Clay pipes buried in coals would come out pure and
white.

A clay pipe would not have been hung stem down because the narrow
passage in the stem would soon have gummed up. A tavern keeper would
not have presented a customer with a portable display of fragile pipes.
Until Victorian times, they were like Model Ts. A customer had
only to choose whether he wanted a long one or a short one.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2:11 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> On Jul 25, 8:27 pm, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> humunculus wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 26, 3:36 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> Steve wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2010-07-24 18:51:32 -0400, "Lobby Dosser" <[email protected]> said:
>>>>>>>> How about candles? Hanging by the wick.
>>>>>>> That was originally my thought, but you'd want the sets of holes on
>>>>>>> either side evenly divisible by two.
>>>>>> Conventionally, candles were made in pairs with a common wick slung over
>>>>>> a rack. It seems to me that you would have to be slow and careful lest
>>>>>> the candles swing against each other, causing deformation and possibly
>>>>>> sticking.
>>>>>> I imagine dipping should be as brief as possible. The warmer the candle
>>>>>> got, the less wax it would bring out of the kettle, and the longer you
>>>>>> would have to wait before dipping again.
>>>>>> I think this stand was designed for dipping candles singly, each
>>>>>> suspended from a marble-sized bead. If you didn't have to worry about
>>>>>> knocking candles together, you could dip them very briefly. That would
>>>>>> mean adding more wax per dip and a shorter cycle time.
>>>>>> If I were dipping candles, I might flare the slots toward the edge of
>>>>>> the table, making it a little quicker and easier to slide a wick into a
>>>>>> slot.
>>>>>> Normally, perhaps the finish of the table withstood the heat of a kettle
>>>>>> full of wax at the melting point, but sometimes the finish could be
>>>>>> damaged. I think the center of the table was raised so it could be
>>>>>> refinished without refinishing the rest of the tabletop.
>>>>> Candle dipping is messy work. No way would a candle maker use a
>>>>> decorative rack like this for it. And it would be COVERED with wax.
>>>>> --riverman
>>>> What part of the rack is made for decorative form and not function?
>>>> Suppose the household needs ten candles a week, made from tallow,
>>>> beeswax, or something else. The quickest method would also be the
>>>> neatest, by getting the wax to stick to the candle instead of dripping.
>>>> Before starting, I'd let the kettle cool on the hearth until the wax
>>>> began hardening around the sides. Having it as cool as possible would
>>>> help it stick to a candle instead of melting the candle. Then I'd dip
>>>> quickly so that the candle would stay as cool as possible so that the
>>>> most wax would stick.
>>>> The reason to make ten candles at a time would be to allow each candle
>>>> plenty of cooling time between dips, without making the candle maker wait.
>>>> There would probably be some dripping. To remove hardened wax easily
>>>> for reuse, I'd want finished wood, perhaps wiped with oil just before I
>>>> started dipping.
>>> Candle Dipping at Middleton Place.
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/damiavos/4714270328/
>>> Karl
>> With seven big kettles, they must have made hundreds of pounds of
>> candles at a time. Many of the candles are pointed at the bottom. I
>> think that means that during dipping, the bottoms tended to overheat.
>>
>> A small household operation might minimize the problem by dipping
>> candles quickly, one by one.
>
> Actually they only used one pot. The rest are just decoration. If I
> remember correctly the pot was partially filled with water with the
> wax floating on top so they wouldn't need so much. There was no real
> training one person would just show another how they'd been shown to
> do it. It was just done for the tourists. I was taught blacksmithing
> there by the farrier. I made shingles there but didn't find out how to
> do it right till many years later.
> Karl

Hot water! I remember making blocks of wax from honeycomb that way.

That could explain why some candles are shaped like carrots. Water
holds a lot of heat. If the end of the candle extended into the water,
it could get especially warm. It wouldn't accumulate much wax.

I think I'd prefer using a small kettle on a little table. I wouldn't
have to do any walking because I could reach all ten candles from my chair.

[email protected] wrote:
> On Jul 27, 4:41 am, J Burns <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Karl
>> Hot water! I remember making blocks of wax from honeycomb that way.
>>
>> That could explain why some candles are shaped like carrots. Water
>> holds a lot of heat. If the end of the candle extended into the water,
>> it could get especially warm. It wouldn't accumulate much wax.
>>
>> I think I'd prefer using a small kettle on a little table. I wouldn't
>> have to do any walking because I could reach all ten candles from my chair.
>
> They do sit in a chair. The thing the candles are on rotates.

It appears to me that a sitting person would need long arms to turn the
stand, lift a rack of candles, and dip them in a big kettle.

"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
> Rob

1989 Pipe smokers pipe holder? WW

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 14:54:38 -0400, J Burns <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Doug Miller wrote:
>> In article <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>>> utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>>> "lid").
>>
>> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...
>
>The slots appear to be 1/8" wide. Big enough for a wire, cord, small
>chain, or slender rod.
>
>The holes appear to be 3/10". The center-to-center distance appears to
>be about 5/8".
>
>I think it was to hang ten items made with wire, chain, cord, or rods
>less than 1/8" in diameter. Whether or not the fitting at the top end
>was a bead, it must have been larger than 0.3" and smaller than 5/8".
>The items would have been less than 18" long from the bead, for the top
>of the bottom shelf appares to be less than 18" from the top of the holes.
>
>The top appears to be 13" wide and the shelf 17" wide. There must have
>been a reason to have the shelf jut out where it could be kicked. I
>wonder if it was to make it easy to place a pan or cloth to catch drips
>from the hanging items.
>
>The marred block on top suggests to me that the work involved tapping.
>I'm trying to guess what items would have teen tapped, treated with a
>liquid, and hung up ten at a time. It doesn't seem tall enough for
>necklaces, and I don't know of such parts in a musical instrument.
Cooling rack for hand dipped candles?
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On 2010-07-22, Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Posting from Rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

1987) A 7-day recording clock, which records the time of day,
day of week (by position on the paper cylinder) and the number
that the long pointer in the front is set to. I *think* that
the pointer is rotated to the selected number and then pressed
into the corresponding hole to cause the printing - -though it
might simply print at regular intervals such as five or ten
minutes.

A bit more detail of the cylinder between the paper roll and the
front dial might give more clues.

1988) This looks like something for forming e gentle curve into
something of a thickness perhaps on the order of 1/4".

You can lock the lever in any of several positions,
corresponding to different thicknesses.

If the edge did not look so blunt, I would consider it for
something like cutting to length.

The curve might be right for small barrel staves.

1989) Hmm ... a view with the central lid opened might give
more clues.

What I think of here is perhaps a storage rack for a croquet set
(the mallets go in the holes in the half-round ends of the
top, and the balls are stored in the top along with the hoops
and stakes.

Or -- perhaps a rack for billiard cues -- again with the balls
stored under the lid. (Actually -- given the finish, this is
more likely, because croquet's outdoors venue might lead to
damage tot he finish.)

1990) Sampler for something pulpy -- perhaps for opening the top and
starting hollowing out a pumpkin (collecting the results in the
chamber on the top.

It also might be for taking soil samples -- except that I would
expect a much longer handle to allow it to be used while
standing upright.

Perhaps for making holes to plant bulbs -- and the dirt from the
chamber is then dumped over the bulb and packed into the hole.

1991) For shaving something like an insecticide to powder and blowing
it onto whatever was to be protected -- a crop of some sort,
likely.

It looks awkward to use, even if suspended by a neck strap
attached tot he metal loop in the 'V' between sections, and held
by the handhold on the non-crank side while the crank is turned
on the other side. At a guess, the cylindrical housing for the
blower would be held against the operator's stomach or a bit
lower, guided by the left hand in the handgrip, and the right
hand cranks it. If so -- the operator certainly should not have
long sleeves, as they would be likely to get caught in the
chain.

1992) This looks to be a beehive -- with the starter combs mounted in
the removable frames. (The images on the near side appear to be
bees visiting flowers.)

I presume that the flat disc on the thin rod sticking out of the
table has nothing to do with this -- other than for display
purposes.

Now to see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On 2010-07-24, Doug Miller <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <2780f8e4-737f-4011-b83b-9bb21a63543c@d17g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>, Sonny <[email protected]> wrote:
>>1989 - I had thought umbrella holder (not large enough, though), a
>>utensil holder and wine glass holder (with coasters under that
>>"lid").
>
> Twenty-one inches is awfully tall for a wine glass holder...


Hmm ... how tall is a magnum of Champaigne? It might have been
used for outdoor wedding celebrations and the like?

Are the slots narrow enough to pass the stems of such glasses?

Enjoy,
DoN.

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On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 05:08:14 -0400, "Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote:

>Another set of pictures has just been posted:
>
>http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
>
>Rob

1987---

(Early twentieth century time clock used to keep track of
employee's work hours. Employees would dial the handle to their
employee number (1-100) on the face shown here and push the lever. A
mechanism inside the box would encode the day, time, and employee)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_time_clock.jpg

John G.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 20:41:13 +0800, Dennis wrote:

>> 1987 Clearly some kind of weekly event and data recorder.
>
> Seismograph, mechanical or clockwork driven, seven day. Nah, maybe for
> water level for reservoir perhaps.

Not that I'm good at figuring most of these out, but my first thought
was also a seismograph. That having been said, the outer wheel around
the clock only goes up to 101. What's that wheel for?

The rest are obviously fence tighteners of one form or another. ;-)

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