I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Dick
"jakiiski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:5f404ca8-79a7-4883-9901-a6a37f38363d@y33g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Please get hand sanding pads with integrated dust removal connections
(Festool or Mirka hand pads), they connect directly to a vacuum
cleaner.
2ndly, get proper sanding paper - Mirka Abranet is really, really good
- it'¨s not real sanding paper, but rather a sanding mesh - so there's
a hole through which to vacuum the dust off every 0.5 mm - so the dust
removal very efficient.
These solutions also work with drywalling etc., where a downdraft
table is totally useless.
I have Mirka Abranet mesh. I agree that you can suck up a lot of saw dust
through the mesh but I want to stay with my hand sanding blocks. I am using
2 3/4" self adhesive paper on those soft yellow sanding blocks. I like the
idea of total control over what I am sanding but I hate all the
mess...................
In article <[email protected]>, Dick Snyder
<[email protected]> wrote:
> The headboard is 64" wide and 20" high. If I made a temporary downdraft
> table, I wonder with it being so big if I would get enough suction to
> actually accomplish anything.
The actual downdraft area doesn't have to be the entire length of the
piece. Think roller stands...
On Feb 12, 8:11=A0am, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening =
to
> Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sandin=
g
> rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboar=
d
> came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
> for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then cle=
an
> up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
> way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
> mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dick
The heavier dust from a scraper doesn't get airborne, and is
way easier to deal with. Only subsequent sanding needed is a
light going over with 320 to remove ridges if the scraper was
nicked. Dipping the paper in naptha makes it cut 10x faster
and last forever.
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dick
>
Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust
collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing
towards the floor sweep port.
Doug Winterburn <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped
> on the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but
> you'll find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You
> can shop-vac the filter to clean.
At one time, I had one with a cleanable filter. When it got dirty enough,
it got washed out with the hose. Don't know if they still make them, but
if you're doing this often it might be a good investment.
FYI, box fans aren't made to run weeks or months on end.
Puckdropper
"Puckdropper" wrote:
> FYI, box fans aren't made to run weeks or months on end.
---------------------------
Biggest reason current generation is supplied with a built in, non
replaceable fuse in the plug.
Biggest problem is to keep bearings lubricated.
Based on end of year price of less than $10, treating one as a throw
away is NBD.
BTDT, don't need the T-Shirt
Lew
"Roy" wrote:
> Why not sand it in the driveway or patio or back yard? Clean off
> with compressed air or leaf blower
> before bringing it back inside.
---------------------------------
Working in a boat yard in SoCal, outdoors is a way of life.
A couple of saw horses and a couple of 2 x 2 x 1/8 x 96 aluminum
angles and you are good to go.
Pieces rest on a knife edge which makes it easy to apply finish when
ready.
Quick set up, quick knock down.
YMMV
Lew
-MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]
september.org:
> On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then,
>> always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand
>> finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.)
>>
>
> Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p
>
>
With one of those new Freud blades that cuts the wood to correct width
and length (the packages I saw Friday at HD said that), Larry obviously
no longer needs his RAS for cutting wood. Might as well use it for
something.
:-)
Puckdropper
--
Never teach your apprentice everything you know.
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
>Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Dick
>
For something that large, you can work in front of a window with a fan
in it. It will help pull the dust away from you to the outside. Or
you can work outside. Okay, maybe not too practical in winter...
I made a downdraft table on wheels that pulls air thru three furnace
filters. I used a furnace squirrel cage 1/4 HP blower, has two
speeds. It will clear the shop of a lot of airborne dust. All
woodworkers know there is no substitute for a good dust mask.
Also, you can use a wide floor sweep attachment to the DC hose. That
would involve moving/re-clamping the floor sweep from time to time.
Please get hand sanding pads with integrated dust removal connections
(Festool or Mirka hand pads), they connect directly to a vacuum
cleaner.
2ndly, get proper sanding paper - Mirka Abranet is really, really good
- it'=A8s not real sanding paper, but rather a sanding mesh - so there's
a hole through which to vacuum the dust off every 0.5 mm - so the dust
removal very efficient.
These solutions also work with drywalling etc., where a downdraft
table is totally useless.
On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:00:11 -0600, the infamous -MIKE-
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then,
>> always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand
>> finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.)
>>
>
>Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p
Oops, I meant ROS, not Radio Alarm Saur.
P.S: Ackshully, that stood for Radial Art Sandah.
--
It's a great life...once you weaken.
--author James Hogan
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
>Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Dick
>
My $0.02. I consider floor space to be precious, so strive for solutions that don't use up any. I
don't often succeed, but at least try to minimize the space I have to give up for storing something
else. As much as I'd love to have a downdraft table, I can't afford to give up any more floor
space, so have to think of another method.
Why not sand it in the driveway or patio or back yard? Clean off with compressed air or leaf blower
before bringing it back inside. Not very elegant, but beats cleaning out every nook and cranny in
the shop before the annual Leaf Blower Cleanup Day.
Consider building a movable dust collection hood out of 1/4 ply or even heavy corrugated, something
like the type used by turners, but maybe 8'' wide and 24" long, or whatever works out best for the
plywood scraps you have on hand.
http://www.amazon.com/PSI-Woodworking-DBGULP-Gulp-Dust/dp/B0000223WV/ref=pd_sim_hi_4
Put the headboard on sawhorses and mount the hood on the base of a roller stand or something and
move it under the area you plan to sand next. That at least should get the heft of the sawdust.
Regards,
Roy
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust
>>> collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan
>>> blowing towards the floor sweep port.
>>>
>> When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine
>> particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but
>> just a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most
>> people in this group probably have.
>>
>> Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist.
>> Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use
>> that a 4" hose to my dust collector!
>
>
> Doing this for 30 years I have finally got the solution but you want to
> hand sand so you have to settle for second best. I used to use a PC
> SpeedBloc finish sander and it would quickly raise a cloud of dust fast.
> Typically I would situate myself between a fan and the open garage door.
> If you are not immediately containing the dust you are going to get a
> build up of dust eventually.
>
Hi Leon,
I'm not quite following your point. The solution after 30 years is a floor
sweep at the end of the bench and a fan blowing towards the floor sweep. Am
I understanding your point? Wouldn't the fan blow the finer dust all over
the place?
Dick
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>> Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust
>> collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing
>> towards the floor sweep port.
>>
> When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine
> particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but just
> a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most people in
> this group probably have.
>
> Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist.
> Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use
> that a 4" hose to my dust collector!
Doing this for 30 years I have finally got the solution but you want to hand
sand so you have to settle for second best. I used to use a PC SpeedBloc
finish sander and it would quickly raise a cloud of dust fast. Typically I
would situate myself between a fan and the open garage door. If you are not
immediately containing the dust you are going to get a build up of dust
eventually.
"Doug Winterburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dick Snyder wrote:
>> I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening
>> to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand
>> sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The
>> headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard
>> was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask
>> and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the
>> place. Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help
>> out? I have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from
>> the ceiling.
>>
>> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Dick
> Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on
> the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll find
> a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can shop-vac the
> filter to clean.
Huh. That sounds like a pretty simple solution. Thanks. I'll give it a shot.
Dick
"tom" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
On Feb 12, 6:11 am, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening
> to
> Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
> rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
> came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
> for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then
> clean
> up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
> way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
> mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dick
If shop space is at a premium, maybe next time make a bigger,
temporary downdraft table? Tom
The headboard is 64" wide and 20" high. If I made a temporary downdraft
table, I wonder with it being so big if I would get enough suction to
actually accomplish anything.
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I simply lay a 4" hose in close proximity to the area being sanded and
occasionally pick it up to clean swarf off the board and paper. One point
Bill makes in his hand sanding presentation is to keep the paper clean with
a brush. I do that and brush the dust towards the end of the hose. This
works well enough for occasional use but if I were doing this every day a
big down draft table set up would be more convenient.
John
On Feb 12, 6:11=A0am, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening =
to
> Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sandin=
g
> rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboar=
d
> came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
> for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then cle=
an
> up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
> way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
> mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dick
If shop space is at a premium, maybe next time make a bigger,
temporary downdraft table? Tom
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
>Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Dick
>
The ones on the ceiling are AIR FILTERS, not dust collectors.. big difference in
that a filter gets some of what dust collectors miss..
If you have one of those adjustably height roller stands for cutoffs and stuff,
use cable ties or plumbers tape to hold a 4" DC hose near your sanding..
It makes a huge difference..
mac
Please remove splinters before emailing
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust
>>> collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan
>>> blowing towards the floor sweep port.
>>>
>> When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine
>> particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but
>> just a portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most
>> people in this group probably have.
>>
>> Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist.
>> Sounds kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use
>> that a 4" hose to my dust collector!
>
>
> Doing this for 30 years I have finally got the solution but you want to
> hand sand so you have to settle for second best. I used to use a PC
> SpeedBloc finish sander and it would quickly raise a cloud of dust fast.
> Typically I would situate myself between a fan and the open garage door.
> If you are not immediately containing the dust you are going to get a
> build up of dust eventually.
>
Leon,
I tried to post a followup question to your post (above) but I don't see it
so I will try again. Do I understand you correctly that you use a floor
sweep on one end of your workbench and a fan on the other end? Wouldn't the
dust just blow all over the place?
Dick
On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then,
> always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand
> finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.)
>
Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
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On 2/15/10 1:43 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then,
> always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand
> finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.)
>
Using your radial arm saw for small sanding jobs are ya, Larry? :-p
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply
On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:57:27 -0500, the infamous Phisherman
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:11:59 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>>
>>Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Dick
>>
>
>For something that large, you can work in front of a window with a fan
>in it. It will help pull the dust away from you to the outside. Or
>you can work outside. Okay, maybe not too practical in winter...
>
>I made a downdraft table on wheels that pulls air thru three furnace
>filters. I used a furnace squirrel cage 1/4 HP blower, has two
>speeds. It will clear the shop of a lot of airborne dust. All
>woodworkers know there is no substitute for a good dust mask.
And that there's not really any such thing as a good dust mask. They
all leak. Use a N100 half-mask respirator. ($20 at HF from AO Safety)
or a SCBA full-face supplied-air system. ($$$)
>Also, you can use a wide floor sweep attachment to the DC hose. That
>would involve moving/re-clamping the floor sweep from time to time.
Yeah, they work pretty well.
--
It's a great life...once you weaken.
--author James Hogan
"Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
>Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Dick
>
I'd use my flexible 4" hose with a brush.
(http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=2&p=32103&cat=1,43456,43465).Rig
up a way to keep the end of the hose near the area you are sanding.
Maybe add this:
http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2005206/173/Table-Top-Dust-Collector.aspx
or some similar fitting from the HVAC section at Home Depot.
"Leon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Dick Snyder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening
>>to Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand
>>sanding rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The
>>headboard came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard
>>was too big for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask
>>and then clean up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place.
>>Is there some way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I
>>have read very mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the
>>ceiling.
>>
>> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>
> Mount a "floow sweep" port to the end of your work bench with your dust
> collector attached. On the opposite end of the bench mount a fan blowing
> towards the floor sweep port.
>
When I get down to 220 grit I think a fan would just blow those fine
particles all over my basement. I don't have a closed in workshop but just a
portion of my basement dedicated to woodworking just like most people in
this group probably have.
Someone had the idea of taping the hose from my shop vac to my wrist. Sounds
kind of kinky but worth a try I guess. It would be easier to use that a 4"
hose to my dust collector!
Dick Snyder wrote:
> I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
> Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
> rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
> came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
> for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
> up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
> way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
> mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>
> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Dick
>
>
Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on
the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll
find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can
shop-vac the filter to clean.
On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 08:00:42 -0700, the infamous Doug Winterburn
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>Dick Snyder wrote:
>> I recently completed a cherry headboard for a queen bed. After listening to
>> Bill Bush at a local woodworking show, I have become a fan of hand sanding
>> rather than using a random orbital sander with dust removal. The headboard
>> came out great but the sawdust was a real mess. The headboard was too big
>> for any downdraft table. All I could do was wear a good mask and then clean
>> up the very fine dust which had drifted all over the place. Is there some
>> way I could have used my Jet dust collector to help out? I have read very
>> mixed reviews of the dust collectors that hang from the ceiling.
>>
>> Your thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>Place a 20" box fan with a 20"x20" pleated furnace filter duct taped on
>the inlet side near your sanding. Won't get all the dust, but you'll
>find a lot of dust on the filter after a sanding session. You can
>shop-vac the filter to clean.
Hmm...the tiny amount a box fan filter does pick up is the larger
stuff which won't damage your lungs as badly.
Better to tape a small diameter hose to the bottom of your sanding
wrist to catch much more of the fine dust in the HEPA dust collector
bags.
I think I'd prefer to use the RAS for most of the work and then,
always, do a final hand-sanding, wet solvent pre-finish prep, and hand
finishing (sans stain or poly, of course.)
--
It's a great life...once you weaken.
--author James Hogan