I am starting a new project where I need to glue together small pieces
of wood. I have a number of scrap hardwoods that will suit my needs
but am not certain of the best way to go about it.
I do not have a planer or jointer, so I will have to do this either by
scroll saw or hand. My scraps are round, which are perfect for my
project but 'may' make joining more difficult.
Does anyone have suggestions on joining (gluing) rounds together so
they are as seamless as possible? Is this possible with a scroll saw
or hand plane? [Example: Gluing two dowels together on edge.]
I think I can do this on the scroll saw with the cuts being fairly
smooth, but am still trying to come up with the best method of rigging
up a jig to ensure the cuts are flat and even every time.
All suggestions welcome.
Thanks,
`Casper
"Casper" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> If I only had a friend with a garage! I've been trying to convince a
> friend with an unused basement to make an area for projects but
> neither he or his wife are inclined to clean it out let alone use it.
>
Reminds me of my first shop as an adult. I was living in a rental house.
The landlord had all his junk stored in our basement and we couldn't set up
our shop. And we had some paying jobs that needed that space. The
landlord's wife liked me. She said if I cleaned it out and moved it to their
present house, it would be an opportunity to go through the junk and toss
what wasn't neded.
Sooooo....., we loaded it all up and hauled out to his house and depositied
it into his large, uncluttered basement. Thus freeing our basement to set
up our shop. The landlord wasn't happy, but we were.
>You don't *have* to have a tablesaw. Mine sits over at a friend's place and
>it's stored in his unheated garage, so I only use it in the summertime ~
>Canadian winters.
If I only had a friend with a garage! I've been trying to convince a
friend with an unused basement to make an area for projects but
neither he or his wife are inclined to clean it out let alone use it.
>So, I bought myself a nice little miterbox from Lee Valley. Makes minimal
>mess in my living room and I'm able to make quite a few projects with it as
>the base tool.
>http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=43836&cat=1,42884
I have something similar, only a bit smaller.
http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=140347&FamilyID=3618
>Yesterday somebody was giving away a free band saw on Craig's List that
>looked like it was perfectly good. Maybe if you keep looking you'll find a
>table saw in your area.
I do the craiglist. Unfortunately my biggest issue is a home for the
saw. I just don't have any room. It would be difficult to find
someone, even not nearby, who could do anything more than store it.
(Goes back to my friend with the basement above.)
>By "round" I take it you mean cylindrical. What are the diameters and
>lengths of the pieces? My mind usually registers "dowels" as being
>something like 3/8" diameter and about an inch and a half long.
Yes, exactly. Various hardwood dowels that were from a molder. They
vary in diameter from 3/8" - 1-1/4" and in length from 2" to 7".
>If you can come up with a circular saw, a scrap of 3/4 plywood (2' x 3' or
>so), a length of straight 2 x 4, and a couple of C-clamps you could rig up a
>makeshift table saw. I did this many years ago and it worked quite well
>except blade height adjustments were not precise.
>Ulysses
I used to have a circular saw and a table (craftsman?) that was made
specifically to hold the saw on the underside to use as a table saw.
It was an item that hardly got used and was sold in a yard sale. At
that time I was not woodworking. In hindsight I should have kept the
table. I believe I still have the saw (relative borrowed?) but
seriously no room to build something resembling that table.
What I do have is a jigsaw with a small table-top stand that allows
the jigsaw to be mounted upside down to mimic a table saw. I have that
on the floor of my storage shed which I hope to do something with this
spring if at all possible. I first need to clean it up as it belonged
to my father and has a fair bit of rust on it (table, not saw).
Let me put it this way, I'm a burgeoning woodworker with a mini lathe
and scrollsaw stuffed in a tiny hallway where I can only use one tool
at a time. I have no basement or garage, only a tiny shed which houses
other stuff due to lack of storage space in-house. So I try to get as
creative as I can in ways of storage and areas for living and crafts.
`Casper
>Well, many years ago all I had was a one bedroom apartment and I was
>manufacturing custom picture frame moulding (small quantities, usually less
>than a couple hundred feet at a time) and making custom hand-finished frames
>with 17 coats of hand rubbed lacquer. I had a box fan in the window
>(blowing out, of course) as a spray booth. My bed was the drying rack. My
>air compressor was under my desk/workbench. I was using a circular saw like
>what I mentioned to make everything--no real table saw. I was still able to
>produce extremely high quality products. Nobody ever complained about it.
>BTW I was single at the time ;-)
I've wanted to make frames, but I couldn't do that in a bedroom.
I have a 5ft x 9ft space in a hallway/washroom. I got a lathe first
and made a square out of PVC piping to hang up with a curtain on it
which I close up around me and the lathe to contain debris and dust. I
also hooked up a 1gal shop vac to the lathe tool rest for more debris
removal. It works fairly well.
My furnace is in the same room and its filter stays fairly clean. I
upgraded the filter quality and clean it every month.
I can't pull the curtain around the scroll saw, but I can cut off the
rest of the room, use the shop vac and open the window above it. Since
I'm not doing volume projects, this works fine. I just have to do my
finishing outside, so in really cold weather some projects pile up
till spring. So more lathe in cold months and scroll saw in warmer.
>One of the problems with the jigsaw is that it moves up and down making it
>more difficult to get a clean, straight cut. But, if it's all you have...
>I'm having a little trouble imagining running 3/8" dowels though such a
>setup without trimming some fingers too. I'm not sure what you are making
>with small dowels but perhaps some wood glue and a brad nailer would work
>for joining them side-to-side. The nails would all be hidden in the joints
>except on the outside dowel.
>Ulysses
I haven't used a jigsaw in years and after thinking about it, you're
right, the cuts probably won't be straight. I'll have to figure out an
alternate plan.
I'm using the dowels to create various turned projects. The dowels are
exotic wood cutoffs that I plan to join with more common woods such as
maple, poplar, etc, to conserve the exotics. This way I can be more
creative in the designs, still have a fancy wood for flair, and keep
the cost down. I'm also tight on wood storage space. I keep my scroll
wood inside (so no warping) and my turning logs outside.
Woodworking ... it's an adventure all the way around. :)
`Casper
"Ulysses" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >So, I bought myself a nice little miterbox from Lee Valley. Makes
minimal
> > >mess in my living room and I'm able to make quite a few projects with
it
> Well, many years ago all I had was a one bedroom apartment and I was
> manufacturing custom picture frame moulding (small quantities, usually
less
Same point I was trying to make. If the OP wants it to happen bad enough, it
will despite whatever circumstances he's currently in. Anything else is just
procrastinating.
"Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> Thanks Charlie. Unfortunately I neither have room for a table saw or
> access to one. Right now I'm hoping that if finances improve this year
> I can finally put up a small shop outside but with the way the economy
> has been going and hitting my family, it's a slim outlook again.
You don't *have* to have a tablesaw. Mine sits over at a friend's place and
it's stored in his unheated garage, so I only use it in the summertime ~
Canadian winters.
So, I bought myself a nice little miterbox from Lee Valley. Makes minimal
mess in my living room and I'm able to make quite a few projects with it as
the base tool.
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=43836&cat=1,42884
>Charlie Groh
>...jeeze, Casper, find a cabinet shop or anyone with a table saw,
>you'll get your cutting done *real* quick! AFA the glueup, just make
>a 90 degree angle out of a couple of pieces of 1x and attach a stop on
>one end...put your rounds in there after gluing (you might cover the
>"mold" with some wax paper) and clamp 'em in. You need to set up the
>table saw to get a good 90, but that shouldn't be a problem, then all
>you have to worry about are the widths cut off the rounds...they
>should glue up fine...no matter how good you get your jig, you'd have
>a helluva time gluing those scroll-saw *or* hand sawn pieces...
>
>cg
Thanks Charlie. Unfortunately I neither have room for a table saw or
access to one. Right now I'm hoping that if finances improve this year
I can finally put up a small shop outside but with the way the economy
has been going and hitting my family, it's a slim outlook again.
I've asked at the local woodcraft and rockler about their saws and
was told no. /shrug. I imagine it's because of insurance. Even they
are a good 45 minute drive for me.
I figured since these were really small wood rounds that maybe I could
make a 90 degree jig to fit the scroll saw and cut the pieces on it
and get a better cut than by hand. If it takes me a little longer, I
don't mind as long as they come out good.
Too many things kept me away from woodworking last year and I am
re-determied to get some things done this year. I really enjoy it,
especially when other things get rough and I can zen out. Two things
connect me with my father and relax me ... walking in the woods and
working on a project that I know he would have enjoyed too.
`Casper
"Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >Charlie Groh
> >...jeeze, Casper, find a cabinet shop or anyone with a table saw,
> >you'll get your cutting done *real* quick! AFA the glueup, just make
> >a 90 degree angle out of a couple of pieces of 1x and attach a stop on
> >one end...put your rounds in there after gluing (you might cover the
> >"mold" with some wax paper) and clamp 'em in. You need to set up the
> >table saw to get a good 90, but that shouldn't be a problem, then all
> >you have to worry about are the widths cut off the rounds...they
> >should glue up fine...no matter how good you get your jig, you'd have
> >a helluva time gluing those scroll-saw *or* hand sawn pieces...
> >
> >cg
>
>
> Thanks Charlie. Unfortunately I neither have room for a table saw or
> access to one. Right now I'm hoping that if finances improve this year
> I can finally put up a small shop outside but with the way the economy
> has been going and hitting my family, it's a slim outlook again.
>
> I've asked at the local woodcraft and rockler about their saws and
> was told no. /shrug. I imagine it's because of insurance. Even they
> are a good 45 minute drive for me.
>
> I figured since these were really small wood rounds that maybe I could
> make a 90 degree jig to fit the scroll saw and cut the pieces on it
> and get a better cut than by hand. If it takes me a little longer, I
> don't mind as long as they come out good.
>
> Too many things kept me away from woodworking last year and I am
> re-determied to get some things done this year. I really enjoy it,
> especially when other things get rough and I can zen out. Two things
> connect me with my father and relax me ... walking in the woods and
> working on a project that I know he would have enjoyed too.
>
> `Casper
Yesterday somebody was giving away a free band saw on Craig's List that
looked like it was perfectly good. Maybe if you keep looking you'll find a
table saw in your area.
By "round" I take it you mean cylindrical. What are the diameters and
lengths of the pieces? My mind usually registers "dowels" as being
something like 3/8" diameter and about an inch and a half long.
If you can come up with a circular saw, a scrap of 3/4 plywood (2' x 3' or
so), a length of straight 2 x 4, and a couple of C-clamps you could rig up a
makeshift table saw. I did this many years ago and it worked quite well
except blade height adjustments were not precise.
"Casper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >You don't *have* to have a tablesaw. Mine sits over at a friend's place
and
> >it's stored in his unheated garage, so I only use it in the summertime ~
> >Canadian winters.
>
> If I only had a friend with a garage! I've been trying to convince a
> friend with an unused basement to make an area for projects but
> neither he or his wife are inclined to clean it out let alone use it.
>
> >So, I bought myself a nice little miterbox from Lee Valley. Makes minimal
> >mess in my living room and I'm able to make quite a few projects with it
as
> >the base tool.
> >http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=43836&cat=1,42884
>
> I have something similar, only a bit smaller.
> http://www.woodcraft.com/product.aspx?ProductID=140347&FamilyID=3618
>
> >Yesterday somebody was giving away a free band saw on Craig's List that
> >looked like it was perfectly good. Maybe if you keep looking you'll find
a
> >table saw in your area.
>
> I do the craiglist. Unfortunately my biggest issue is a home for the
> saw. I just don't have any room. It would be difficult to find
> someone, even not nearby, who could do anything more than store it.
> (Goes back to my friend with the basement above.)
Well, many years ago all I had was a one bedroom apartment and I was
manufacturing custom picture frame moulding (small quantities, usually less
than a couple hundred feet at a time) and making custom hand-finished frames
with 17 coats of hand rubbed lacquer. I had a box fan in the window
(blowing out, of course) as a spray booth. My bed was the drying rack. My
air compressor was under my desk/workbench. I was using a circular saw like
what I mentioned to make everything--no real table saw. I was still able to
produce extremely high quality products. Nobody ever complained about it.
BTW I was single at the time ;-)
>
> >By "round" I take it you mean cylindrical. What are the diameters and
> >lengths of the pieces? My mind usually registers "dowels" as being
> >something like 3/8" diameter and about an inch and a half long.
>
> Yes, exactly. Various hardwood dowels that were from a molder. They
> vary in diameter from 3/8" - 1-1/4" and in length from 2" to 7".
>
> >If you can come up with a circular saw, a scrap of 3/4 plywood (2' x 3'
or
> >so), a length of straight 2 x 4, and a couple of C-clamps you could rig
up a
> >makeshift table saw. I did this many years ago and it worked quite well
> >except blade height adjustments were not precise.
> >Ulysses
>
> I used to have a circular saw and a table (craftsman?) that was made
> specifically to hold the saw on the underside to use as a table saw.
> It was an item that hardly got used and was sold in a yard sale. At
> that time I was not woodworking. In hindsight I should have kept the
> table. I believe I still have the saw (relative borrowed?) but
> seriously no room to build something resembling that table.
>
> What I do have is a jigsaw with a small table-top stand that allows
> the jigsaw to be mounted upside down to mimic a table saw. I have that
> on the floor of my storage shed which I hope to do something with this
> spring if at all possible. I first need to clean it up as it belonged
> to my father and has a fair bit of rust on it (table, not saw).
One of the problems with the jigsaw is that it moves up and down making it
more difficult to get a clean, straight cut. But, if it's all you have...
I'm having a little trouble imagining running 3/8" dowels though such a
setup without trimming some fingers too. I'm not sure what you are making
with small dowels but perhaps some wood glue and a brad nailer would work
for joining them side-to-side. The nails would all be hidden in the joints
except on the outside dowel.
>
> Let me put it this way, I'm a burgeoning woodworker with a mini lathe
> and scrollsaw stuffed in a tiny hallway where I can only use one tool
> at a time. I have no basement or garage, only a tiny shed which houses
> other stuff due to lack of storage space in-house. So I try to get as
> creative as I can in ways of storage and areas for living and crafts.
>
> `Casper
>Reminds me of my first shop as an adult. I was living in a rental house.
>The landlord had all his junk stored in our basement and we couldn't set up
>our shop. And we had some paying jobs that needed that space. The
>landlord's wife liked me. She said if I cleaned it out and moved it to their
>present house, it would be an opportunity to go through the junk and toss
>what wasn't neded.
>
>Sooooo....., we loaded it all up and hauled out to his house and depositied
>it into his large, uncluttered basement. Thus freeing our basement to set
>up our shop. The landlord wasn't happy, but we were.
>
>Lee Michaels
My friend's basement is about 2000 sq ft basement, of which about
700-800 feet are in use. I would love to talk him into letting me
setup a shop. He has one room sectioned off that's at least 16" x 16"
with it's own sliding glass doors to the outside. It would be perfect
for a shop. Easy access from outside, a large doorway to get anything
in or out, and he is maybe a mile from my house.
Sadly, things have not turned out for him and his wife as they planned
when they bought the house and I think he has just gotten so depressed
over all that needs to be done that he doesn't care anymore. And I
have even offered to help him clean out the basement, make repairs
(inside and out) and build the deck he's been hoping to build. Believe
it or not, the second floor back doors are just blocked off with
pallets nailed into the house. No stairs or deck. I told him when he
bought the house to consider taking the extra money he could have
gotten in his loan and build the deck right off, but no, and now, 7
yrs later, he just shakes his head figuring it will never get done.
`Casper
On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:50:12 -0500, Casper <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I am starting a new project where I need to glue together small pieces
>of wood. I have a number of scrap hardwoods that will suit my needs
>but am not certain of the best way to go about it.
>
>I do not have a planer or jointer, so I will have to do this either by
>scroll saw or hand. My scraps are round, which are perfect for my
>project but 'may' make joining more difficult.
>
>Does anyone have suggestions on joining (gluing) rounds together so
>they are as seamless as possible? Is this possible with a scroll saw
>or hand plane? [Example: Gluing two dowels together on edge.]
>
>I think I can do this on the scroll saw with the cuts being fairly
>smooth, but am still trying to come up with the best method of rigging
>up a jig to ensure the cuts are flat and even every time.
>
>All suggestions welcome.
>
>Thanks,
>`Casper
...jeeze, Casper, find a cabinet shop or anyone with a table saw,
you'll get your cutting done *real* quick! AFA the glueup, just make
a 90 degree angle out of a couple of pieces of 1x and attach a stop on
one end...put your rounds in there after gluing (you might cover the
"mold" with some wax paper) and clamp 'em in. You need to set up the
table saw to get a good 90, but that shouldn't be a problem, then all
you have to worry about are the widths cut off the rounds...they
should glue up fine...no matter how good you get your jig, you'd have
a helluva time gluing those scroll-saw *or* hand sawn pieces...
cg