Getting ready to start a project (tv stand) and have a SketchUp
file of the plans. There are no details on the drawing yet as I
haven't decided on the joinery to use. If you have SketchUp and
a couple of minutes, please download the file and take a look.
Since many of you no longer have access to the a.b.p.w group
I've posted the file on my website. The direct link to the file
is http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
Some questions...
-What joinery would you use and where?
-Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
solid wood?
-I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
-Comments on the general construction?
Constructive feedback appreciated.
Thanks
Larry
Larry wrote:
> Getting ready to start a project (tv stand) and have a SketchUp
> file of the plans. There are no details on the drawing yet as I
> haven't decided on the joinery to use. If you have SketchUp and
> a couple of minutes, please download the file and take a look.
> Since many of you no longer have access to the a.b.p.w group
> I've posted the file on my website. The direct link to the file
> is http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
>
> Some questions...
>
> -What joinery would you use and where?
Center face frame: bridle or half lap if you don't mind seeing end grain (I
don't, like it), M&T if you do.
End & center panels to legs/face frame: I'd use a tenon into a dado.
________________
> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
> solid wood?
I'd use ply, see no advantage to solid. Ditto the bottom. Top could be
either, my preference would be solid.
_________________
> -I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
What kind of mahogany? Honduras? Cuban (good luck in finding *that*)?
Santos? Khaya (African)? Sapele maybe?
Doesn't matter, all are nice but each is different. I like Khaya even
though it is somewhat coarser. It is generally a bit darker - more red than
orange - and ribbon stripe is very common (and available) on quartered
stock. On ply too.
____________________
> -Comments on the general construction?
>
> Constructive feedback appreciated.
Are your end panels actually sloped? Angled toward the bottom? If so, I
wouldn't. IMO they would look really wierd. Best kept vertical both for
appearance and ease in making/joining.
--
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On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:25:44 -0800, the infamous "CW"
<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Sagging is my biggest concern.
>
>That's what she said. :)
<g> Which reminds me of the joke I got via email last night:
--snip--
A couple had been married for 50 years.
They were sitting at the breakfast table one morning
when the wife says 'Just think, fifty years ago we were sitting here
at this breakfast table together.'
'I know,' the old man said. 'We were probably sitting here naked as a
jaybird fifty years ago.'
'Well,' Granny snickered 'let's relive some old times.'
Whereupon the two stripped to the buff and sat down at the table.
'You know, honey,' the little old lady breathlessly replied,
'My nipples are as hot for you today as they were fifty years ago.'
'I wouldn't be surprised,' replied Gramps.
'One's in your coffee and the other is in your oatmeal.'
--snip--
--
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after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust
Steve Turner wrote:
> On 2/7/2010 12:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
>> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:39:40 -0800 (PST), the infamous
>> "SonomaProducts.com"<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>>
>>> 7. The big danger with mahogany is that I'll want to steal it when
>>> you are done. ;^). See if you can find true African mahogany. Nice
>>> stuff.
>>
>> Egad! Not that zebra-striped stuff they're selling now as mahogany!
>> They're cutting down what appear to be 3-5" diameter trees, fer
>> chrissake.
>>
>> Honduras mahogany is my idea of a beautiful wood. Endangered and
>> quite expensive, when you can find any.
>
> Agreed. My local supplier can't get Honduras any more, and they're
> selling African instead. It ain't the same, Eugene.
Find a new supplier. It is readily available at around $9.00/bf. African
is about half that.
--
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Very nice design. A little non-standard in terms of structure but it
should work exactly like you have sketched it.
1. It seems obvious that the end panels en two interior panels are
either cope and stick panels or M&T. You can make the tenons on the
frame the same width as the panle so the dado for the panel also acts
as the mortise for the top and bottom rails.
2. I think you are missing a little structure that might make things a
little sturdier. Unless the back is a full 3/4" think ply you don't
have much stiffness. I would add a rail across the top and bottom on
the back and I would also add a rail all the way across the top on the
front. It could just be 1 or 1 1/2" inches deep or even as deep as the
center rail and could run behind the little short center rail or
replace it\extend it. In fact, maybe the back could be a rail and
panel structure as well, then you can put additional stiles in line
with the interior panels\walls.
3. I would tenon the bottom rail into the legs, and any other rails
you add.
4. I would make the end panels have full length tenon at front and
back that sits in a slot\mortise in the legs.
5. I would use plywood for the shelves with hard wood edging. Even of
you don't want adjustable shelves, I would use typical adjustable
shelf attachment with shelf pegs in holes.
6. I would attached the top with table irons
http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=3D786&filter=3Dtable%20hardware
Having front and back rails at the top would make this easier
7. The big danger with mahogany is that I'll want to steal it when you
are done. ;^). See if you can find true African mahogany. Nice stuff.
On Feb 6, 7:45=A0pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
> Getting ready to start a project (tv stand) and have a SketchUp
> file of the plans. There are no details on the drawing yet as I
> haven't decided on the joinery to use. If you have SketchUp and
> a couple of minutes, please download the file and take a look.
> Since many of you no longer have access to the a.b.p.w group
> I've posted the file on my website. The direct link to the file
> ishttp://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
>
> Some questions...
>
> -What joinery would you use and where?
> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of =A0 =A0
> solid wood?
> -I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
> -Comments on the general construction?
>
> Constructive feedback appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Larry
On 2/6/2010 9:45 PM, Larry wrote:
> Constructive feedback appreciated.
Like the ideas expressed in your SU file on ABPW.
What concerns me most about your SU design is the span between the legs
(54"), coupled with the frame and panel ends and the two frame and panel
dividers as designed.
IME, the basic idea behind your design would benefit from at least a
look at some other ideas concerning the actual casework, and that can
mitigate future problems of racking forces and sag inherent with wide,
four legged pieces of furniture, particularly if they are to carry a load.
Take a look at this link on my website, and pay particular attention to
the casework itself:
http://www.e-woodshop.net/Projects13.htm
As food for thought, you should also grab a copy of Will Neptune's FWW
article that I linked to on that page.
In short, I think your project would benefit from a similar approach
with regard to the actual casework, and in particular the "2020
Hindsight" blurb at the bottom of the page.
Let me know if you have any questions.
--
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Last update: 10/22/08
KarlC@ (the obvious)
"dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>> Since many of you no longer have
>> access to the a.b.p.w group I've posted the file on my
>> website. The direct link to the file is
>> http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
>>
>> Some questions...
>>
>> -What joinery would you use and where?
>
> Center face frame: bridle or half lap if you don't mind
> seeing end grain (I don't, like it), M&T if you do.
I don't mind the end grain but was thinking about a stop
tongue and groove.
>
> End & center panels to legs/face frame: I'd use a tenon
> into a dado. ________________
My preference on the end panel to legs was floating tenons
though your method would be easier to setup and cut. It would
need to be a stop dado though.
>
>> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
>> solid wood?
>
> I'd use ply, see no advantage to solid. Ditto the bottom.
> Top could be either, my preference would be solid.
> _________________
Originally I was going to use ply but then I check the price.
They're pretty proud of it. Add in the cost of a router bit
for the banding and I've got over $150 in just the shelves. My
concern with the solid panels is warpage.
>
>> -I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
>
> What kind of mahogany? Honduras? Cuban (good luck in
> finding *that*)? Santos? Khaya (African)? Sapele maybe?
>
> Doesn't matter, all are nice but each is different. I like
> Khaya even though it is somewhat coarser. It is generally
> a bit darker - more red than orange - and ribbon stripe is
> very common (and available) on quartered stock. On ply
> too. ____________________
I was thinking about African mahogany. I've use it on a couple
of small projects and seems easy to work and doesn't have
problems with tearout.
>
>> -Comments on the general construction?
>>
>> Constructive feedback appreciated.
>
> Are your end panels actually sloped? Angled toward the
> bottom? If so, I wouldn't. IMO they would look really
> wierd. Best kept vertical both for appearance and ease in
> making/joining.
>
Yes, the legs are sloped. That's what attracted SWMBO to the
design. Regardless of difficulty they're going to stay that
way.
How would you attach the top. Figure 8 to the end panels and
dividers?
Would you be concerned about sagging in the front? There is
likely to be 150 lbs plus on a 54" span. A short leg in the
middle? The back rail would be supported by the plywood back
so that shouldn't be a concern.
Thanks for your input.
Larry
"WW" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>
> "Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Getting ready to start a project (tv stand) and have a
>> SketchUp file of the plans. There are no details on the
>> drawing yet as I haven't decided on the joinery to use. If
>> you have SketchUp and a couple of minutes, please download
>> the file and take a look. Since many of you no longer have
>> access to the a.b.p.w group I've posted the file on my
>> website. The direct link to the file is
>> http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
>>
>> Some questions...
>>
>> -What joinery would you use and where?
>> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
>> solid wood?
>> -I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
>> -Comments on the general construction?
>>
>> Constructive feedback appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Larry
>
> Larry . Post on abpw also for those that can still see it.
> I can't get the system to come up that you show. I also am
> buildung a TV / Audio set up so am interested in what you
> have. WW
>
>
I'm not sure that will help you but check there in a couple of
minutes...
Swingman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On 2/6/2010 9:45 PM, Larry wrote:
>
>> Constructive feedback appreciated.
>
> Like the ideas expressed in your SU file on ABPW.
>
> What concerns me most about your SU design is the span
> between the legs (54"), coupled with the frame and panel
> ends and the two frame and panel dividers as designed.
>
> IME, the basic idea behind your design would benefit from
> at least a look at some other ideas concerning the actual
> casework, and that can mitigate future problems of racking
> forces and sag inherent with wide, four legged pieces of
> furniture, particularly if they are to carry a load.
>
> Take a look at this link on my website, and pay particular
> attention to the casework itself:
>
> http://www.e-woodshop.net/Projects13.htm
>
> As food for thought, you should also grab a copy of Will
> Neptune's FWW article that I linked to on that page.
>
> In short, I think your project would benefit from a similar
> approach with regard to the actual casework, and in
> particular the "2020 Hindsight" blurb at the bottom of the
> page.
>
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
Sagging is my biggest concern. If I add a top rail at the back
and cover the entire back with plywood that would absolutely
stop any sagging on the rear. Truthfully, I thought about
adding a foot in the center about 8" back from the front.
Since the lower rail is only 2" from the floor, I doubt anyone
would see it.
I'm still in the thinking stage. I'll post a final drawing for
"approval" before I start making sawdust.
Thanks for the feedback.
Larry
Larry wrote:
> "dadiOH" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
>>> Since many of you no longer have
>>> access to the a.b.p.w group I've posted the file on my
>>> website. The direct link to the file is
>>> http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
>>>
>>> Some questions...
>>>
>>> -What joinery would you use and where?
>>
>> Center face frame: bridle or half lap if you don't mind
>> seeing end grain (I don't, like it), M&T if you do.
>
> I don't mind the end grain but was thinking about a stop
> tongue and groove.
I like as much glue surface as possible.
_________
>> End & center panels to legs/face frame: I'd use a tenon
>> into a dado. ________________
>
> My preference on the end panel to legs was floating tenons
> though your method would be easier to setup and cut. It would
> need to be a stop dado though.
Why go to the rigamore of making floating tenons and two dadoes? Stopping a
dado is simple.
______________
>>> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
>>> solid wood?
>>
>> I'd use ply, see no advantage to solid. Ditto the bottom.
>> Top could be either, my preference would be solid.
>> _________________
>
> Originally I was going to use ply but then I check the price.
> They're pretty proud of it. Add in the cost of a router bit
> for the banding and I've got over $150 in just the shelves.
Wow, man...how big *is* this thing? Surely, the shelves aren't bigger than
24x24? Four of those and you've got a half sheet of ply. Add in a bottom
and you have one sheet +. Lumber isn't going to cost any less. If you have
a source for less, please share :)
You can get less than full sheets here (and others)
http://www.boulterplywood.com/MarinePlywood_4.htm
You need no router bit for banding, just a small plane.
_____________
> My concern with the solid panels is warpage.
That would be mine too. Ditto the bottom.
________________
>>> -Comments on the general construction?
>>>
>>> Constructive feedback appreciated.
>>
>> Are your end panels actually sloped? Angled toward the
>> bottom? If so, I wouldn't. IMO they would look really
>> wierd. Best kept vertical both for appearance and ease in
>> making/joining.
>>
>
> Yes, the legs are sloped. That's what attracted SWMBO to the
> design. Regardless of difficulty they're going to stay that
> way.
Then it is on her head :)
____________
> How would you attach the top. Figure 8 to the end panels and
> dividers?
I see no figure 8. Or is that a method? I'd use purchased metal or
fabricated wood clip, in slot on vertical parts, screwed (sloppy hole if
solid lumber) to bottom of top.
_____________
> Would you be concerned about sagging in the front? There is
> likely to be 150 lbs plus on a 54" span. A short leg in the
> middle? The back rail would be supported by the plywood back
> so that shouldn't be a concern.
OK, it is 54" wide +-. Buy the plywood :)
No, I wouldn't worry about sagging. I'd attach the center panels with glue
and screws (from the bottom). Top of bottom would have about 1/2 wide x
1/4-3/8" deep dados (assuming center panels are 3/4") and bottom of center
panels would have a tongue with double shoulders. It ain't a-gonna sag.
--
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:39:40 -0800 (PST), the infamous
"SonomaProducts.com" <[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>7. The big danger with mahogany is that I'll want to steal it when you
>are done. ;^). See if you can find true African mahogany. Nice stuff.
Egad! Not that zebra-striped stuff they're selling now as mahogany!
They're cutting down what appear to be 3-5" diameter trees, fer
chrissake.
Honduras mahogany is my idea of a beautiful wood. Endangered and
quite expensive, when you can find any.
I
Notes to Larry:
>On Feb 6, 7:45 pm, Larry <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Getting ready to start a project (tv stand) and have a SketchUp
>> file of the plans. There are no details on the drawing yet as I
>> haven't decided on the joinery to use. If you have SketchUp and
>> a couple of minutes, please download the file and take a look.
>> Since many of you no longer have access to the a.b.p.w group
>> I've posted the file on my website. The direct link to the file
>> is http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp
Very nice, Larry. Solid yet shapely. Well done.
>> Some questions...
>>
>> -What joinery would you use and where?
M&T where possible, dadoes for shelving.
>> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
>> solid wood?
Ply with solid front edging?
>> -I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
Only the steep price and hard local availability.
I think it'd look excellent in unfilled-pore, fumed, QSWO and finished
in satin Waterlox, too.
I put in a little Brazilian (not a number) cherry (jatoba) entryway in
this old house. It's beautiful wood. It's also very, very hard (228%
harder than red oak) and is solid stuff. Consider it, too.
>> -Comments on the general construction?
>>
>> Constructive feedback appreciated.
Don't forget a place for a UPS, power strips and cable run holes. For
the hotter amps, install a small pair of muffin fans in the top
corners of the back of that slot for a cooling flow of air.
--
We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves
after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us.
-- Marcel Proust
On 2/7/2010 7:20 AM, dadiOH wrote:
> Are your end panels actually sloped? Angled toward the bottom? If so, I
> wouldn't. IMO they would look really wierd. Best kept vertical both for
> appearance and ease in making/joining.
I disagree; I like that look. More difficult to construct certainly, but I
would never let that deter me from following through on a design I thought was
worth the effort. I enjoy a good challenge.
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On 2/7/2010 12:24 PM, Larry Jaques wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:39:40 -0800 (PST), the infamous
> "SonomaProducts.com"<[email protected]> scrawled the following:
>
>> 7. The big danger with mahogany is that I'll want to steal it when you
>> are done. ;^). See if you can find true African mahogany. Nice stuff.
>
> Egad! Not that zebra-striped stuff they're selling now as mahogany!
> They're cutting down what appear to be 3-5" diameter trees, fer
> chrissake.
>
> Honduras mahogany is my idea of a beautiful wood. Endangered and
> quite expensive, when you can find any.
Agreed. My local supplier can't get Honduras any more, and they're selling
African instead. It ain't the same, Eugene.
--
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
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"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Getting ready to start a project (tv stand) and have a SketchUp
> file of the plans. There are no details on the drawing yet as I
> haven't decided on the joinery to use. If you have SketchUp and
> a couple of minutes, please download the file and take a look.
> Since many of you no longer have access to the a.b.p.w group
> I've posted the file on my website. The direct link to the file
> is http://www.roanokewx.com/tv_stand.skp.
>
> Some questions...
>
> -What joinery would you use and where?
> -Would you use plywood for the shelves or make them out of
> solid wood?
> -I'm considering using mahogany. Any drawbacks?
> -Comments on the general construction?
>
> Constructive feedback appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Larry
Larry . Post on abpw also for those that can still see it. I can't get the
system to come up that you show. I also am buildung a TV / Audio set up so
am interested in what you have. WW
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Sagging is my biggest concern.
That's what she said. :)