I went by my local BORG this morning to grab some screws and naval jelly and
noticed they had a clearance area with quite a few tools. Good deal on a
Dewalt cutoff saw and a Dewalt cordless tool set but there are too many
other things I need right now to buy them just because it was a good deal.
They had about 5 of the little toy Ryobi BTS10 table saws marked down to
$87.00. I picked one up for the fun of it. I did one of those deals where
you lift something up higher than you mean to and nearly throw yourself off
balance because you are expecting it to be heavier than it turns out to be.
And I wasn't expecting it to be very heavy. I put it back down and laughed
with a little shake of my head to be sure the guy standing next to me
wouldn't think I was considering actually buying one or anything. Gotta
protect your image ya know. I paid for my stuff and went home where I took
apart the Baily #7 I got off Ebay to see what I'm in for with my first plane
restoration. It looks to be in pretty darn good shape by the way. I picked
up new Hock blade and cap irons for it yesterday at Woodcraft but the ones
in it were surprisingly square and even somewhat sharp.
Anyway, this is where it gets sad. I started eying that Mahogany over in
the corner my wife expects me to have cut and joined into something that
looks like a box pretty soon. I got a great deal on some scrap pieces that
start about 2.75" X 2.75" and taper to about 2" X 2" ten feet later. Seem
perfect for making corner posts to mortice so they will support the rails of
a frame and panel side. I started trying to figure out how to get the taper
out and said to myself for the 1,000,000th time lately that a tablesaw would
sure be nice for this. Too bad I'm not going to have one until Santa comes
to visit in late December. Then the image of that little Ryobi popped into
my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00 out
of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I plan to
just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes afterwards.
So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
I didn't plan on making such a long post about this but it sure turned out
that way.
-Chris
Your pennance is to henceforth always use your paints and stains full strength.
"go forth, and thin no more."
In article <[email protected]>,
Christopher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>I went by my local BORG this morning to grab some screws and naval jelly and
>noticed they had a clearance area with quite a few tools. Good deal on a
>Dewalt cutoff saw and a Dewalt cordless tool set but there are too many
>other things I need right now to buy them just because it was a good deal.
>They had about 5 of the little toy Ryobi BTS10 table saws marked down to
>$87.00. I picked one up for the fun of it. I did one of those deals where
>you lift something up higher than you mean to and nearly throw yourself off
>balance because you are expecting it to be heavier than it turns out to be.
>And I wasn't expecting it to be very heavy. I put it back down and laughed
>with a little shake of my head to be sure the guy standing next to me
>wouldn't think I was considering actually buying one or anything. Gotta
>protect your image ya know. I paid for my stuff and went home where I took
>apart the Baily #7 I got off Ebay to see what I'm in for with my first plane
>restoration. It looks to be in pretty darn good shape by the way. I picked
>up new Hock blade and cap irons for it yesterday at Woodcraft but the ones
>in it were surprisingly square and even somewhat sharp.
>
>Anyway, this is where it gets sad. I started eying that Mahogany over in
>the corner my wife expects me to have cut and joined into something that
>looks like a box pretty soon. I got a great deal on some scrap pieces that
>start about 2.75" X 2.75" and taper to about 2" X 2" ten feet later. Seem
>perfect for making corner posts to mortice so they will support the rails of
>a frame and panel side. I started trying to figure out how to get the taper
>out and said to myself for the 1,000,000th time lately that a tablesaw would
>sure be nice for this. Too bad I'm not going to have one until Santa comes
>to visit in late December. Then the image of that little Ryobi popped into
>my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
>one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00 out
>of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I plan to
>just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes afterwards.
>So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
>couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
>
>I didn't plan on making such a long post about this but it sure turned out
>that way.
>
>-Chris
>
>
>
Christopher wrote:
<snip>
> I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
> one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00 out
> of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I plan to
> just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes afterwards.
> So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
> couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
Wait until the time comes to buy a real table saw and you're met with, "You
already have one that you never use".
--
Jack Novak
Buffalo, NY - USA
sure, you would download the source and build it yourself too!
irax.
Christopher wrote:
> "Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>My router really *is* a piece of crap. Went through the same tune-up
>>process with it, and I can now pronounce it utterly hopeless with a
>>straight face. It's literally worse than nothing. I might try cutting it
>>up and seeing if I can mount the motor/collet in something stable to get
>
> by
>
>>for now, but it's impossible as it is.
>>
>>--
>>Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
>>Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
>>Confirmed post number: 17871 Approximate word count: 536130
>>http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>>
>
>
> We need open source tools. High quality tools under GNU licensing. The
> tools creator would profit from sales of books on how to use the tool and
> consulting.
>
> ;-)
>
> -Chris
> Unix Systems Admin
>
>
I bought the cheap Delta table saw about 1 1/2 yrs ago for around $100.
When i got it I had no serious interest in woodworking. The price was right
and I figured it was good for plunkin around. A few times I almost had
enough saved for a contractor saw but something always came up and I didn't
get it. I'll probably get one here in the next few months but I wouldn't do
without that little saw. I put a freud 80 tooth blade on it and have built
quit a bit. It's a long shot from what I want but it cuts wood and if one is
careful setting the fence it will cut a board straight. So enjoy the saw,
you'll get a lot more use out of it then you think. When I get a good
contractor saw I'm holding on to this one. I'm a auto tech by trade but
also do some carpentry on the side and it is handy to be able to load the
little table in the back of the truck and take it to a job.
--
Mike S.
[email protected]
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Christopher wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
> > one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00
out
> > of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I
plan to
> > just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes
afterwards.
> > So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
> > couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
>
> Wait until the time comes to buy a real table saw and you're met with,
"You
> already have one that you never use".
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
>
Say three Hail Mary's and promise to sin no more.
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:32:42 -0500, "Christopher"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Then the image of that little Ryobi popped into
>my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
>one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00 out
>of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I plan to
>just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes afterwards.
>So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
>couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
>
>I didn't plan on making such a long post about this but it sure turned out
>that way.
>
>-Chris
>
>
"Christopher"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >Then the image of that little Ryobi popped into
> >my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
> >one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00
out
> >of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I plan
to
> >just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes
afterwards.
At some point you have to jump in and buy something. I bought a cheap
Craftsman saw to start with. I did buy a good blade though, and that made a
huge difference.
While your saw may never compare with the bigger, more expensive saws, it
will still cut and you can still make a lot of nice things. Sure, I'm glad
I spent the money and upgraded to a Delta contractor saw and Beis fence.
Sure it is much easier to get an accurate cut, sure it has more capacity.
BUT, I still made some good projects with the cheap saw. I learned a lot
and had a lot of fun.
Take a little extra care in setting up the cuts and you will be amazed at
how well you can do things.
One more thing. I did not sell my saw when I upgraded. I gave it away. I
got as much satisfaction by making another person happy as I got from
cutting the first piece on my new saw.
Ed
[email protected]
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
"Christopher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes
afterwards.
> So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
> couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
It was apparently worth it to you at the time to buy it, but how many times
down the road will you think to yourself that it was a waste? The only way
you'll ever be forgiven is when you finally dispose of it, buy a saw that
you know cost you a lot, and then forgive yourself.
If you keep it in the back of our mind that it is a piece of crap, you will
never do good with it. You will always be saying to yourself "about as good
as I can do considering what I have to work with". You can do very good work
with that saw. It may take a bit longer to set up than something more
expensive but it can be done. I have done and seen even more very good work
with a saw like that.
"Christopher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
If I say a
> couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
>
Christopher <[email protected]> wrote:
> They had about 5 of the little toy Ryobi BTS10 table saws marked down to
> $87.00. I picked one up for the fun of it. I did one of those deals where
> out and said to myself for the 1,000,000th time lately that a tablesaw would
> sure be nice for this. Too bad I'm not going to have one until Santa comes
> to visit in late December. Then the image of that little Ryobi popped into
> my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
> one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00 out
> of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I plan to
About 10 or 20 years ago (I don't know, it's been awhile) I bought a
little Sears benchtop table saw. Not as light as you describe, but
these were still fairly new then. I've been dreaming of replacing
that saw ever since, but I have built bookcases, birdfeeders, fences,
display cases, and last Summer a whole 8' by 19' green house using
that little table saw. The greenhouse project involved cutting dadoes
down the length of lots of 2X4 red cedar. Most pieces needed a dado
on two sides. It took a little longer to do it that if I had a
contractor's saw (or even a real cabinet saw), but I was careful with
the setup and took my time and it got done. I found the blade height
adjustment would slip if I tried to feed stock too fast.
I am now planning to reward myself with a Ryobi BT3100 for Christmas.
Although I sometimes thing a drill press and/or band saw might be
better. My wife seems to like the idea of a drill press for some
unkown reason. She has her own hobbies, and I'm almost afraid to
find out what she is thinking of doing with a drill press . . . ;-)
Anyway, don't talk yourself into hating the little saw. Figure out
how to get the most out of it and you will be much happier. You will
also appreciate your next saw all that much more.
Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 18:32:42 -0500, "Christopher"
<[email protected]> wrote:
<SNIP>
>So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
>couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
>
You'll say a lot more than that before you've figured out how to force
that little beast to cut anything resembling a straight line >where
you want it<.
Cheers,
Fred McClellan
the dash plumber at mindspring dot com
There is a lot of wisdom in picking up that little saw. By getting it now,
and getting some work done on it you may find that it does all that you need
from a saw (at least for now) and lets you move onto something else. On the
other hand, it could prove to be entirely inadequate, but teach you what you
will need to look for on your next one. It's pretty bad when you spend a
ton of money on a tool and find out that you needed a feature that it can't
have.
I would bet that you find that the little saw will pull its own weight even
after you get the good one.
Michael
<[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Christopher <[email protected]> wrote:
> > They had about 5 of the little toy Ryobi BTS10 table saws marked down to
> > $87.00. I picked one up for the fun of it. I did one of those deals
where
>
> > out and said to myself for the 1,000,000th time lately that a tablesaw
would
> > sure be nice for this. Too bad I'm not going to have one until Santa
comes
> > to visit in late December. Then the image of that little Ryobi popped
into
> > my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
> > one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00
out
> > of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw. I
plan to
>
> About 10 or 20 years ago (I don't know, it's been awhile) I bought a
> little Sears benchtop table saw. Not as light as you describe, but
> these were still fairly new then. I've been dreaming of replacing
> that saw ever since, but I have built bookcases, birdfeeders, fences,
> display cases, and last Summer a whole 8' by 19' green house using
> that little table saw. The greenhouse project involved cutting dadoes
> down the length of lots of 2X4 red cedar. Most pieces needed a dado
> on two sides. It took a little longer to do it that if I had a
> contractor's saw (or even a real cabinet saw), but I was careful with
> the setup and took my time and it got done. I found the blade height
> adjustment would slip if I tried to feed stock too fast.
>
> I am now planning to reward myself with a Ryobi BT3100 for Christmas.
> Although I sometimes thing a drill press and/or band saw might be
> better. My wife seems to like the idea of a drill press for some
> unkown reason. She has her own hobbies, and I'm almost afraid to
> find out what she is thinking of doing with a drill press . . . ;-)
>
> Anyway, don't talk yourself into hating the little saw. Figure out
> how to get the most out of it and you will be much happier. You will
> also appreciate your next saw all that much more.
>
> Bill Ranck
> Blacksburg, Va.
>
>
>
I don't talk a lot either but every once in a while...
"Christopher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > If you keep it in the back of our mind that it is a piece of crap, you
> will
> > never do good with it. You will always be saying to yourself "about as
> good
> > as I can do considering what I have to work with". You can do very good
> work
> > with that saw. It may take a bit longer to set up than something more
> > expensive but it can be done. I have done and seen even more very good
> work
> > with a saw like that.
>
> Wow, I think that is the most words I've seen in one of your posts. Good
> philosophy. I have no doubt that the limitations of this little saw can
be
> overcome and good results obtained. It would sure be nice to just set the
> fence and cut with confidence though.
>
> -Chris
>
>
CW wrote:
> If you keep it in the back of our mind that it is a piece of crap, you
> will never do good with it. You will always be saying to yourself "about
> as good as I can do considering what I have to work with". You can do very
> good work with that saw. It may take a bit longer to set up than something
> more expensive but it can be done. I have done and seen even more very
> good work with a saw like that.
I have to chip in with a me too on this one. I went through just what
you're describing. Once I got over the "I can't wait to be able to replace
this piece of crap" and finally got around to tuning thing thing up and
MAKING stuff with it, I came to find new joy with my little $50 saw. A
crosscut/miter sled does wonders, and getting the blade at 90.0 degrees to
the table makes a world of difference too.
It has myriad problems still, but I can work around enough of them that it's
a lot better than nothing. In fact, I don't even have a table saw on my
list of things that need replacing in the short term. I've decided that
the next time I can spare some cash, I'm going for a better router.
My router really *is* a piece of crap. Went through the same tune-up
process with it, and I can now pronounce it utterly hopeless with a
straight face. It's literally worse than nothing. I might try cutting it
up and seeing if I can mount the motor/collet in something stable to get by
for now, but it's impossible as it is.
--
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
Confirmed post number: 17871 Approximate word count: 536130
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
"Christopher" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Then the image of that little Ryobi popped into
>my head. I tried to resist but ended up driving over there and grabbing
>one. I had a $50.00 giftcard anyway so it only cost me another $50.00 out
>of pocket and I bet I can sell it for that when I get a nice saw.
While not a ww tool, I just bought a Sony DSC-P32 at wally world for ~
200 bucks yesterday.. It isn't the camera I want, the ones I want
start in at about 800 bucks and because of that I haven't bought one
to replace my Cannon F1 (film camera).
If it will do the job within it's limitations and remove a limitation
from what you are trying to do than your little saw will earn it's
keep.
The first pic's were of my horizontal band mill :) (ww content)
Some day I will have my dream camera and I will still have a
knockabout camera that I won't cry about if it gets
lost/damaged/stolen.
Wes
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> One more thing. I did not sell my saw when I upgraded. I gave it away.
I
> got as much satisfaction by making another person happy as I got from
> cutting the first piece on my new saw.
> Ed
> [email protected]
> http://pages.cthome.net/edhome
>
>
That sounds like a pretty good idea. If Santa come through for me I'll
seriously consider doing the same.
-Chris
"Upscale" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Christopher" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > just use it for rough cutting and then clean up with hand planes
> afterwards.
> > So, I now have a tablesaw that requires a table to sit on. If I say a
> > couple hail Powermatics or hail Unisaws will I be forgiven?
>
> It was apparently worth it to you at the time to buy it, but how many
times
> down the road will you think to yourself that it was a waste? The only way
> you'll ever be forgiven is when you finally dispose of it, buy a saw that
> you know cost you a lot, and then forgive yourself.
>
>
I started playing around with it today. It is LOUD and the fence can be
wiggled back and forth several degrees in each direction after being locked
down. The table surface is so small that it's a juggling act to rip
anything over about two feet long. I had to check both sides of the miter
gauge and average the offset from square to get it fairly close since the
face was far from flat. There is a ton of slop between the gauge and the
slot. It is LOUD. Having said all that, I got some pretty decent cuts out
of it while building a little extension table to support the back end. Much
better than I've done with my circular saw that cost quite a bit more that
this whole contraption. I think it is worth what I paid for it and I
believe I can get enough use out of it that I won't be concerned with
recovering any of what I spent. If I had gone for the BT3100 as I started
to, I know it would be more useful now but I would be more concerned with
lost investment when replacement time comes.
-Chris
"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> If you keep it in the back of our mind that it is a piece of crap, you
will
> never do good with it. You will always be saying to yourself "about as
good
> as I can do considering what I have to work with". You can do very good
work
> with that saw. It may take a bit longer to set up than something more
> expensive but it can be done. I have done and seen even more very good
work
> with a saw like that.
Wow, I think that is the most words I've seen in one of your posts. Good
philosophy. I have no doubt that the limitations of this little saw can be
overcome and good results obtained. It would sure be nice to just set the
fence and cut with confidence though.
-Chris
"Silvan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> My router really *is* a piece of crap. Went through the same tune-up
> process with it, and I can now pronounce it utterly hopeless with a
> straight face. It's literally worse than nothing. I might try cutting it
> up and seeing if I can mount the motor/collet in something stable to get
by
> for now, but it's impossible as it is.
>
> --
> Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan <[email protected]>
> Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
> Confirmed post number: 17871 Approximate word count: 536130
> http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/
>
We need open source tools. High quality tools under GNU licensing. The
tools creator would profit from sales of books on how to use the tool and
consulting.
;-)
-Chris
Unix Systems Admin
"Nova" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Wait until the time comes to buy a real table saw and you're met with,
"You
> already have one that you never use".
>
> --
> Jack Novak
> Buffalo, NY - USA
>
That's why we each have a personal checking account. Most of our salaries
go into the joint account but we each get a little money each month to do
with as we please. No need to ask permission and no fights about it in our
two years of marriage so far. I think she wastes her money and she thinks I
waste mine but neither of us gets upset with the other about it.
-Chris
"Robert Bonomi" <bonomi@c-ns.> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Your pennance is to henceforth always use your paints and stains full
strength.
> "go forth, and thin no more."
>
>
That's not so bad. I always have a hard time stopping the figure from
showing through when I paint curly maple anyway. If I use it full strength
it should cover much better.
-Chris