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Rob H.

07/11/2013 2:34 AM

What is it? Set 518

I need some help with the first item this week:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/

Larger images:

http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n


Rob


This topic has 28 replies

SM

Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 6:29 PM

On 11/7/2013 6:08 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>>>> 3021 broken keys extractor set.
>>>
>>>
>>> Correct, for use by a locksmith to remove broken keys
>>>
>> Allow me to hang my head in shame, for
>> missing this one.
>>
>
> Well, the picture isn't very good, I wasn't sure if anyone would get it.
>
After being a locksmith since 1986, I'd oughta got
that. It did occur to me, but I wasn't familiar
with those tips. I do use key extractors now and
again, but not that design.

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LdB

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 1:43 PM

On 11/7/2013 4:34 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>

3024. A die for making threads on wooden dowels. These were the
screws for wooden vices and presses.

LdB

mk

mungedaddress

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 6:52 PM

3019:
3020: Spring weight?
3021: tools for assembling ships in a bottle?
3022: Heating and cooling vent cover?
3023: bicycle spoke wrench
3033: Dowel maker?

On 11/7/2013 5:34 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>

DN

Dr Nick

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

10/11/2013 9:50 AM

"DoN. Nichols" <[email protected]> writes:

> On 2013-11-08, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>3019: Look similar to the handheld manometer we use for checking draft on u=
>>>nforced flues for boilers, but a lot nicer/older. Is that two tubes connect=
>>>ed at the bottom, with a hole in the stem on the left? If that is the case,=
>>> I would expect it to be mercury filled, as I can't see 3" of water being v=
>>>ery useful. 3" mercury, on the other hand.... Usage is to pull a plug or ca=
>>>p from a hole that the stem is pushed into. The one we use has a rubber tap=
>>>er plug to fit the check hole. Some measure at the wall, some have a probe =
>>>tube into the middle of the stream.
>>
>>
>> I heard back from the owner of this device, the tubes are connected at the
>> bottom
>> as seen in a new photo that is posted with the answers, and there is a hole in
>> the
>> stem that goes to the tube. Thanks to everyone who helped figure out this
>> manometer.
>>
>> The rest of the answers for this week can be seen here:
>>
>> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/11/set-518.html#answers
>
>
> 3019)
> O.K. If the tubes are joined by the block at the bottom,
> instead of being a single tube, this probably means that it is not
> filled with mercury.
>
> And for 3" difference with mercury, that gives only 1.47 PSI
> maximum, and even model steam engine boilers work to near 100 PSI.
>
> With water instead, it drops to 0.108 PSI. Totally useless for
> measuring steam head in the boiler, but for checking flow of heating air
> through the flues -- that would be a reasonable sensitivity. The units
> program does not cover inches of methanol or inches of ethanol, other
> likely liquids (though less likely than water, and the brass would show
> discoloration from mercury, as it would get shiny for a short time, and
> then dull and gray as an amalgam formed.

Another application could be to check for small domestic gas leaks. You
connect it up, then turn off the gas supply and see if the pressure
drops over time. I've not done the calculations but they seem more in
the right range.

SM

Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 5:21 PM

On 11/7/2013 2:44 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 3021 broken keys extractor set.
>
>
> Correct, for use by a locksmith to remove broken keys
>
Allow me to hang my head in shame, for
missing this one.

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Stormin Mormon

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 8:45 AM

On 11/7/2013 5:34 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>

Posting from my desk top PC in the living room, as always.

3019 looks a bit like a pitot (PEE-tow) gage. Used to read the velocity
of air or water, based on how high it pushes the liquid (mercury, most
likely) from one tube to the other. The water dept uses a pitot gage to
check the flow of fire hydrants.
3020, totally no clue. But, that sure is a nice matching case.
3021, the handles remind me of lock picks. More likely a tooth pick set
for obsessive compulsives.
3022, no clue. Maybe for keeping a pot off the coals?
3023, bicycle spoke wrench. That, or midget valve wrench for acetylene
tanks.
3024, I somehow guess it's for cutting ends on wooden logs, which are
used for early water pipes. I saw some thing resembling this at
Valentown museum, at Victor, NY.




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"G. Ross"

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 8:21 AM

Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>
3021 Dental tools for packing amalgam into cavitys.

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"Snag"

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 8:42 PM

Rob H. wrote:
>> 3023 looks like some sort of spoke wrench.
>
>
> It _is_ a wrench but not for spokes, though it is for use on tires
> but for a purpose that is not well known.

Ice racing studs<like needles actually> ?
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in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 6:54 AM

Rob H. <[email protected]> fired this volley in
news:[email protected]:

> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>

3019 looks to be a limited-range pressure/vacuum gauge, perhaps for a
spirits still, measuring only +-3in. of mercury. It's spout could be
pushed into a grommetted bung hole or the end of a rubber tube to take
the measurement.

3020 YAP. (yet another planimeter), but this one specifically a
planimeter in the form of a fixed-radius compass.

3021 broken keys exactor set.

3022 A sump cover for a rain spout?

3023 A spoke wrench?

3024 large round tenoner... maybe for axles, but maybe 'tree' making.

LLoyd

Nn

"Nick"

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 1:34 PM


"Rob H." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
Some more wild guesses.
3019. I think this could be a vacuum gauge for use with a steam powered
engine. Very likely maritime.
3022. A trivet arrangement which clamps to the flue/chimney of a solid fuel
burner. To keep stuff warm.
3024. A woodworkers (or bodgers) rounder, aka rotary plane. Rough shape a
bit of stock and wind this tool along it to produce a dowel or round rod.
Nick.

AT

Alexander Thesoso

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 6:10 AM

3020 Another planinmeter. We had one a while ago. Used to measure the
area of an arbitrary closed figure on a flat surface.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planimeter

3023 Go/NoGo thickness gauge. (guess)

3024 Plane for shaping the end of a wooden cart axle. This is a guess,
so I have no idea what the specific name would be.



On 11/7/2013 5:34 AM, Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>

CL

Cydrome Leader

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 6:44 PM

In rec.crafts.metalworking Rob H. <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/

3023 looks like some sort of spoke wrench.

ww

willshak

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 2:05 PM

Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>

3023 I also agree this is a spoke wrench. I don't believe it is a
go-nogo tool. I used go-nogo tools when I was a grinder in a sewing
machine manufacturing company back in 1958-61. Wilcox and Gibbs.

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Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 2:27 PM

Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>
#3019- seems like a pressure guage (reminds me of "inches of Mercury").
I'll investigate a little more.

Bill

BB

Bill

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 2:29 PM

Rob H. wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n
>
>
> Rob
>
#3024 -- A die for making a wooden screw?

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 11:33 AM

>3020 Another planinmeter. We had one a while ago. Used to measure the
>area of an arbitrary closed figure on a flat surface.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planimeter


Correct


>3023 Go/NoGo thickness gauge. (guess)


Nope, this one is for a purpose that would be difficult to guess


>3024 Plane for shaping the end of a wooden cart axle. This is a guess,
>so I have no idea what the specific name would be.

You are right that it's for working on axles

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 11:44 AM


>3021 broken keys extractor set.


Correct, for use by a locksmith to remove broken keys

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 11:48 AM


>3023 looks like some sort of spoke wrench.


It _is_ a wrench but not for spokes, though it is for use on tires but for a
purpose that is not well known.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 11:52 AM

>Some more wild guesses.
>3019. I think this could be a vacuum gauge for use with a steam powered
>engine. Very likely maritime.

You're probably on the right track about it being maritime.

>3022. A trivet arrangement which clamps to the flue/chimney of a solid fuel
>burner. To keep stuff warm.


Correct


>3024. A woodworkers (or bodgers) rounder, aka rotary plane. Rough shape a
>bit of stock and wind this tool along it to produce a dowel or round rod.

Yes, the owner called it a rounding plane.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

07/11/2013 3:08 PM


>>> 3021 broken keys extractor set.
>>
>>
>> Correct, for use by a locksmith to remove broken keys
>>
>Allow me to hang my head in shame, for
>missing this one.
>

Well, the picture isn't very good, I wasn't sure if anyone would get it.

JB

J Burns

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

08/11/2013 3:33 PM

On 11/7/13 2:48 PM, Rob H. wrote:
>> 3023 looks like some sort of spoke wrench.
>
>
> It _is_ a wrench but not for spokes, though it is for use on tires but for a
> purpose that is not well known.
>
_Modern__Blacksmithing_, 1904, chapter 4:

"When a wheel has bolts every smith knows that it will make trouble for
him if he don't get the tire back where it was."

"When bolting a wheel the tire will be out of place unless the tire has
been shrunk alike on both sides of the fellow plates. A smith used to
setting tires will be able to get the holes almost to a perfect fit."

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

08/11/2013 2:11 PM


>3019: Look similar to the handheld manometer we use for checking draft on u=
>nforced flues for boilers, but a lot nicer/older. Is that two tubes connect=
>ed at the bottom, with a hole in the stem on the left? If that is the case,=
> I would expect it to be mercury filled, as I can't see 3" of water being v=
>ery useful. 3" mercury, on the other hand.... Usage is to pull a plug or ca=
>p from a hole that the stem is pushed into. The one we use has a rubber tap=
>er plug to fit the check hole. Some measure at the wall, some have a probe =
>tube into the middle of the stream.


I heard back from the owner of this device, the tubes are connected at the
bottom
as seen in a new photo that is posted with the answers, and there is a hole in
the
stem that goes to the tube. Thanks to everyone who helped figure out this
manometer.

The rest of the answers for this week can be seen here:

http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/11/set-518.html#answers


Rob

PK

"Phil Kangas"

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

08/11/2013 6:29 PM


"Rob H." <
> wrote in message

> The rest of the answers for this week can be
> seen here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/11/set-518.html#answers
>
>
> Rob
>

Rob, did you ever find the answer for item 2982 in
set 511?
pdk


RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

08/11/2013 4:03 PM


>
>Rob, did you ever find the answer for item 2982 in
>set 511?


No, I never found a reference that could confirm any of the guesses for it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v80/harnett65/Album18/pic2982a.jpg

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

10/11/2013 1:40 AM


>3019)
> O.K. If the tubes are joined by the block at the bottom,
>instead of being a single tube, this probably means that it is not
>filled with mercury.
>
> And for 3" difference with mercury, that gives only 1.47 PSI
>maximum, and even model steam engine boilers work to near 100 PSI.
>
> With water instead, it drops to 0.108 PSI. Totally useless for
>measuring steam head in the boiler, but for checking flow of heating air
>through the flues -- that would be a reasonable sensitivity. The units
>program does not cover inches of methanol or inches of ethanol, other
>likely liquids (though less likely than water, and the brass would show
>discoloration from mercury, as it would get shiny for a short time, and
>then dull and gray as an amalgam formed.
>
>3021) I should have guessed the broken key extractors, though I have
> never seen any.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.


Thanks, I just forwarded your post on to the owner of the manometer.

RH

Rob H.

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

10/11/2013 6:51 AM


>Another application could be to check for small domestic gas leaks. You
>connect it up, then turn off the gas supply and see if the pressure
>drops over time. I've not done the calculations but they seem more in
>the right range.


Ok thanks, I'll pass this along also.

DN

"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

08/11/2013 1:32 AM

On 2013-11-07, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
> I need some help with the first item this week:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/
>
> Larger images:
>
> http://imgur.com/a/VlL7n

Posting from rec.crafts.metalworking as always.

3019) An interesting device, and I'm going to make an assumption:

That the two tubes are joined in the bottom of the device, and
may even be a single U-shaped tube (depending on what liquid
medium is used in it.

The Joined tube makes a "manometer" which measures pressure by
displaying a different height on the two columns of liquid.
(You measure the heights of both, and subtract the lower from
the higher.

If you are measuring a fairly high pressure, you would fill it
with mercury (Hg), likely to the 1-1/2" level to allow maximum
offset to be displayed. If mercury, the tube would pretty much
have to be continuous, as mercury attacks brass.

If a lower pressure, use water (perhaps with a dye in it to
enhance readability.

If yet lower -- go to something less dense, such as an alcohol.

Since it does not appear to have a fitting for connecting to
something else, I'll suggest that it is intended to measure wind
velocity -- by pointing the snout towards the wind.

3020) This is a "planimeter". It is used for measuring the enclosed

area of a figure on paper or another flat surface. (This can
include areas of counties or states on a map, though the larger
the area vs that of the planet, the more error is introduced by
the choice of projection on the map.

I have one, and I seem to remember that you posted another some
time back.

You place a pivot (the disc in the left of the box, which likely
has three fine spikes to anchor it to the paper to avoid
slipping), pivot an arm from that, and connect the part with the
display to the first arm at another pivot (perhaps multiple
pivot locations, if it has adjustable scale factors). Then,
after zeroing the readout you trace the outline of the figure
with a pointer, and when you return to the starting point, you
can read the enclosed area. This one has a vernier to allow
dividing the "tenths" divisions on the drum into "hundredths".
The metal disk counts complete rotations of the drum.

Mine includes another disc with a pivoted arm which generates a
specific area for a complete rotation of the arm, so you can
check the accuracy of the reading.

<http://whistleralley.com/planimeter/planimeter.htm>

3021) At first glance, these look like a lock picking set, but those
would not need the grip of the rubber handles, so I will suggest
that these are hooks for installing/removing springs in
something like typewriters, calculators, or other mechanical
devices (including, perhaps, old teletypewriters.)

3022) Looks like a table designed to clamp onto a vertical pole.

The shape of the cutout suggests square posts, but the clamp
pieces seem to be for a particular range of round ones instead.

It might be to cover a hole around a gutter downspout.

3023) This appears to be for bending levers (likely for pre-Selectric
typewriters). It looks like the gaps are 1/16" and 3/32", and
the heads are way too thick for it to be an open-end wrench.

I'm curious about the 3/4" wide 6" scale. I've never seen one
labeled "Sears" before. It looks like many others by many other
companies. The two which I have in my belt pouch are from
"General" and "Etched Products Corporation", and the former
looks like a match except for the name and the part number.

3024) This looks like a tool for turning a round tenon on the end of
something made of wood -- given the size, perhaps a spar for
sailing ships, or perhaps some of the rigging for drawing a
wagon by a team of horses.

Now to post this and see what others have suggested.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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"DoN. Nichols"

in reply to Rob H. on 07/11/2013 2:34 AM

10/11/2013 5:34 AM

On 2013-11-08, Rob H <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>3019: Look similar to the handheld manometer we use for checking draft on u=
>>nforced flues for boilers, but a lot nicer/older. Is that two tubes connect=
>>ed at the bottom, with a hole in the stem on the left? If that is the case,=
>> I would expect it to be mercury filled, as I can't see 3" of water being v=
>>ery useful. 3" mercury, on the other hand.... Usage is to pull a plug or ca=
>>p from a hole that the stem is pushed into. The one we use has a rubber tap=
>>er plug to fit the check hole. Some measure at the wall, some have a probe =
>>tube into the middle of the stream.
>
>
> I heard back from the owner of this device, the tubes are connected at the
> bottom
> as seen in a new photo that is posted with the answers, and there is a hole in
> the
> stem that goes to the tube. Thanks to everyone who helped figure out this
> manometer.
>
> The rest of the answers for this week can be seen here:
>
> http://55tools.blogspot.com/2013/11/set-518.html#answers


3019)
O.K. If the tubes are joined by the block at the bottom,
instead of being a single tube, this probably means that it is not
filled with mercury.

And for 3" difference with mercury, that gives only 1.47 PSI
maximum, and even model steam engine boilers work to near 100 PSI.

With water instead, it drops to 0.108 PSI. Totally useless for
measuring steam head in the boiler, but for checking flow of heating air
through the flues -- that would be a reasonable sensitivity. The units
program does not cover inches of methanol or inches of ethanol, other
likely liquids (though less likely than water, and the brass would show
discoloration from mercury, as it would get shiny for a short time, and
then dull and gray as an amalgam formed.

3021) I should have guessed the broken key extractors, though I have
never seen any.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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