O/T - This could spark some discussion

In article <[email protected]>,
busbus <[email protected]> wrote:
>http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>
>Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>AND drive a Mercedes?"
>
>For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>$65,000 in US dollars.
>
>Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>

If that's an off-shoot of the "London Daily Mail", The "Mail" is one
of London's more notorious tabloids. Yes, "real" news, but it concentrates
on scandelmongerng, and stories to outrage/offend the general sensibilities.

_Much_ more "fact-based" than the cr*p that runs in the National Enquirer,
etc., but targeting much the same market. One of the other London tabloids,
"The Sun" has a standard feature every day, a picture of an attractive female,
topless (and sometimes less), on 'page 3'. This goes a long ways towards
'defining' the audience those papers cater to. <grin>

busbus wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>
> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>
> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
> $65,000 in US dollars.
>
> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...

An excellent article against "entitlements" and *for* birth control. Judas
priest, nine, count 'em nine, people sucking off the public tit and another
one on the way!!!!!

IMO, entitlements and tax deductions and credits should *decline* with more
kids, too many people in the world now without encouraging more.

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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles shaping of our youth culture, or
> TV programs like The Office, or American Idol, which are only a couple of
> countless spin-offs of a British programs which did not become popular
> until they succeeded in the UK.
>
> So, "yes really".

Holy paranoia Batman.

At times it's hard to tell if you're just a regular goofball or a cunning
Usenet satirist mocking the beliefs you seem to defend.

Either way you are one funny dude, dude.

Robert Bonomi wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> busbus <[email protected]> wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>>
>> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>>
>> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>> $65,000 in US dollars.
>>
>> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>>
>
> If that's an off-shoot of the "London Daily Mail", The "Mail" is one
> of London's more notorious tabloids. Yes, "real" news, but it
> concentrates on scandelmongerng, and stories to outrage/offend the
> general sensibilities.

It succeeded.

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On 4/15/2010 5:00 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/15/2010 3:07 PM, busbus wrote:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>>>
>>> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>>> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>>>
>>> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>>> $65,000 in US dollars.
>>>
>>> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>>> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>>
>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.
>
> Not really. We are 62 years behind on health care. Never nationalized
> the railroads and so never privatized them. Don't have national bans on
> firearms. Still have the death penalty. Etc.>

Yes really. Unless you've lived and worked in the UK for some length of
time over a 45 year span, it is unlikely that you would have sufficient
perspective to recognize the dwindling differences and the growing
similarities.

The increasing, everyday, 'nanny state' pervasiveness, and all that it
entails (from privacy issues, to government intervention in every aspect
of life) that has been rearing it's head here in the last thirty years
roughly parallels that level of social phenomenon in the UK some 40
years ago.

Cherry picking a few high profile issues from the web won't debunk the
observation.

>> Thanks to congress, and an ill-informed, under-educated electorate, we
>> are right track.

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"LDosser" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Nothing else needs be said, than the above exchange, to illustrate your
>> caviling nonsense.
>
>
> IOW, you have NO examples. The inconsequential flows both ways.

Swingman specializes in the absurd (he regards one-man, one-vote as a
regrettable policy) so don't take his bloviating too seriously.

On 4/15/2010 3:07 PM, busbus wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>
> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>
> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
> $65,000 in US dollars.
>
> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...

As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5 to
10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.

Thanks to congress, and an ill-informed, under-educated electorate, we
are right track.

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On 4/23/2010 6:49 PM, DGDevin wrote:
> "Swingman"<[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Nice of your and ignorance, "dude"...
>
> Hey, guess what, removing every other word in your posts doesn't materially
> decrease the amount of sense you make.

But it does make you look like a total ass for stooping to post a
deliberate misquote.

Grow up ....

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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Nice of your and ignorance, "dude"...

Hey, guess what, removing every other word in your posts doesn't materially
decrease the amount of sense you make.

On 4/16/2010 10:20 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/16/2010 6:49 PM, LDosser wrote:
>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>>>> How about Sharia law adoption for starters? See how we fare here in
>>>> another ten years. Add ubiquitous surveillance cameras, about 1 for
>>>> every 14 people in England about ten years ago and rapidly growing
>>>> here. How about DNA databases of citizens? England already has the
>>>> largest per capita DNA database in the world, see how long it takes
>>>> for us to do the same. Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles
>>>> shaping of our youth culture, or TV programs like The Office, or
>>>> American Idol, which are only a couple of countless spin-offs of a
>>>> British programs which did not become popular until they succeeded in
>>>> the UK.
>>>>
>>>> So, "yes really".
>>>
>>> How about an Example, not a prediction? And not inconsequential stuff
>>> like the Beatles and TV shows. National Health Care, Nationalization of
>>> Railways and Airlines, ban on firearms, ban on death penalty. Something
>>> of consequence.
>>
>> Nothing else needs be said, than the above exchange, to illustrate
>> your caviling nonsense.
>
>
> IOW, you have NO examples. The inconsequential flows both ways.

IOW, You demonstrably wouldn't recognize an example if bit you on the ass.

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On 04/15/2010 02:07 PM, busbus wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>
> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>
> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
> $65,000 in US dollars.

Yikes. I don't know how anyone can think that their behaviour is ethical.

Couple of points:

About 20% of their income (carer's allowance and disability living
allowance) is because one of their children has a skin disease.

The "council tax benefit" appears to be a tax break rather than real income.

Chris

On 4/17/2010 12:22 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/17/2010 11:18 AM, LDosser wrote:
>>
>>> OK, you win the pissing up a rope contest ...
>>
>> Now, it would be laughable, if it wasn't so damn sad, that it was the
>> following remark in this thread that initiated our two small minded
>> cavilers to get their collective panties twisted in such a fashion:
>
> Hey, you're the one pissing up the rope.

"Not really" ...

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On 4/17/2010 1:19 AM, DGDevin wrote:

> Holy paranoia Batman.
>
> At times it's hard to tell if you're just a regular goofball or a cunning
> Usenet satirist mocking the beliefs you seem to defend.
>
> Either way you are one funny dude, dude.

Nice display of both your ass and your ignorance there, "dude"...


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On 4/15/2010 8:51 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/15/2010 5:00 PM, LDosser wrote:
>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 4/15/2010 3:07 PM, busbus wrote:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>>>>>
>>>>> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>>>>> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>>>>>
>>>>> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>>>>> $65,000 in US dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>>>>> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>>>>
>>>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>>>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.
>>>
>>> Not really. We are 62 years behind on health care. Never nationalized
>>> the railroads and so never privatized them. Don't have national bans on
>>> firearms. Still have the death penalty. Etc.>
>>
>> Yes really. Unless you've lived and worked in the UK for some length
>> of time over a 45 year span, it is unlikely that you would have
>> sufficient perspective to recognize the dwindling differences and the
>> growing similarities.
>>
>
> I was born in the UK, spent three years stationed in England and have
> rellies out the wazoo living there.

So? I was married to a British subject for 15 years, lived in the UK for
a good part of that time and worked, on the local economy, WITHOUT the
benefit of a US government "stationed there" salary, and also have
numerous relatives there, including a daughter and two grandsons.

So, now that you started this little pissing contest, tell us exactly
what makes you think your experience trumps mine, eh?

>> The increasing, everyday, 'nanny state' pervasiveness, and all that it
>> entails (from privacy issues, to government intervention in every
>> aspect of life) that has been rearing it's head here in the last
>> thirty years roughly parallels that level of social phenomenon in the
>> UK some 40 years ago.
>
> We're not even close.

In ten more years, or less, at the current rate.

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On 4/17/2010 11:18 AM, LDosser wrote:

> OK, you win the pissing up a rope contest ...

Now, it would be laughable, if it wasn't so damn sad, that it was the
following remark in this thread that initiated our two small minded
cavilers to get their collective panties twisted in such a fashion:

"As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5 to
10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues. "

Shame on both of you ... one would think you could find something more
offending (and you both were obviously looking for an opportunity) to
piss your pants and take exception to.

Discernment is obviously not your long suit, particular when it comes to
the difference between "social and cultural", and your political and
governmental interposition's.

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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/15/2010 3:07 PM, busbus wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>>
>> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>>
>> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>> $65,000 in US dollars.
>>
>> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>
> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5 to 10
> years when it comes to social and cultural issues.

Not really. We are 62 years behind on health care. Never nationalized the
railroads and so never privatized them. Don't have national bans on
firearms. Still have the death penalty. Etc.>

> Thanks to congress, and an ill-informed, under-educated electorate, we are
> right track.
>
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/15/2010 5:00 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/15/2010 3:07 PM, busbus wrote:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>>>>
>>>> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>>>> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>>>>
>>>> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>>>> $65,000 in US dollars.
>>>>
>>>> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>>>> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>>>
>>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.
>>
>> Not really. We are 62 years behind on health care. Never nationalized
>> the railroads and so never privatized them. Don't have national bans on
>> firearms. Still have the death penalty. Etc.>
>
> Yes really. Unless you've lived and worked in the UK for some length of
> time over a 45 year span, it is unlikely that you would have sufficient
> perspective to recognize the dwindling differences and the growing
> similarities.
>

I was born in the UK, spent three years stationed in England and have
rellies out the wazoo living there.

> The increasing, everyday, 'nanny state' pervasiveness, and all that it
> entails (from privacy issues, to government intervention in every aspect
> of life) that has been rearing it's head here in the last thirty years
> roughly parallels that level of social phenomenon in the UK some 40 years
> ago.

We're not even close.

>
> Cherry picking a few high profile issues from the web won't debunk the
> observation.

So, give an example.

>
>>> Thanks to congress, and an ill-informed, under-educated electorate, we
>>> are right track.
>
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"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 4/15/2010 8:51 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/15/2010 5:00 PM, LDosser wrote:
>>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On 4/15/2010 3:07 PM, busbus wrote:
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y54uynf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Article entitled: "Why work when I can get £42,000 in benefits a year
>>>>>> AND drive a Mercedes?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For reference, http://www.xe.com/ says that £42,000 is just over
>>>>>> $65,000 in US dollars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
>>>>>> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...
>>>>>
>>>>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>>>>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. We are 62 years behind on health care. Never nationalized
>>>> the railroads and so never privatized them. Don't have national bans on
>>>> firearms. Still have the death penalty. Etc.>
>>>
>>> Yes really. Unless you've lived and worked in the UK for some length
>>> of time over a 45 year span, it is unlikely that you would have
>>> sufficient perspective to recognize the dwindling differences and the
>>> growing similarities.
>>>
>>
>> I was born in the UK, spent three years stationed in England and have
>> rellies out the wazoo living there.
>
> So? I was married to a British subject for 15 years, lived in the UK for a
> good part of that time and worked, on the local economy, WITHOUT the
> benefit of a US government "stationed there" salary, and also have
> numerous relatives there, including a daughter and two grandsons.
>
> So, now that you started this little pissing contest, tell us exactly what
> makes you think your experience trumps mine, eh?

Did I say that?

>
>>> The increasing, everyday, 'nanny state' pervasiveness, and all that it
>>> entails (from privacy issues, to government intervention in every
>>> aspect of life) that has been rearing it's head here in the last
>>> thirty years roughly parallels that level of social phenomenon in the
>>> UK some 40 years ago.
>>
>> We're not even close.
>
> In ten more years, or less, at the current rate.

This was your claim:
>>>>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>>>>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.

So, got a good example?

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4/15/2010 11:01 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> So, now that you started this little pissing contest, tell us exactly
>>> what makes you think your experience trumps mine, eh?
>>
>> Did I say that?
>
> You tried to with your "not really", but it didn't work. You don't get

No, that's what You read into it.

> perspective by simply being born somewhere, or being "stationed there".

I wasn't just born there, I spent a large part of my childhood there. Right
across the Nationalization, NTM Rationing.

And I am deeply connected. My Sister, my parents, before they died,
inumerable, aunts, uncles and cousins.

>
>>>>> The increasing, everyday, 'nanny state' pervasiveness, and all that it
>>>>> entails (from privacy issues, to government intervention in every
>>>>> aspect of life) that has been rearing it's head here in the last
>>>>> thirty years roughly parallels that level of social phenomenon in the
>>>>> UK some 40 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> We're not even close.
>>>
>>> In ten more years, or less, at the current rate.
>>
>> This was your claim:
>>>>>>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>>>>>>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.
>>
>> So, got a good example?
>
> How about Sharia law adoption for starters? See how we fare here in
> another ten years. Add ubiquitous surveillance cameras, about 1 for every
> 14 people in England about ten years ago and rapidly growing here. How
> about DNA databases of citizens? England already has the largest per
> capita DNA database in the world, see how long it takes for us to do the
> same. Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles shaping of our youth
> culture, or TV programs like The Office, or American Idol, which are only
> a couple of countless spin-offs of a British programs which did not become
> popular until they succeeded in the UK.
>
> So, "yes really".

How about an Example, not a prediction? And not inconsequential stuff like
the Beatles and TV shows. National Health Care, Nationalization of Railways
and Airlines, ban on firearms, ban on death penalty. Something of
consequence.

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4/16/2010 6:49 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
>>> How about Sharia law adoption for starters? See how we fare here in
>>> another ten years. Add ubiquitous surveillance cameras, about 1 for
>>> every 14 people in England about ten years ago and rapidly growing
>>> here. How about DNA databases of citizens? England already has the
>>> largest per capita DNA database in the world, see how long it takes
>>> for us to do the same. Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles
>>> shaping of our youth culture, or TV programs like The Office, or
>>> American Idol, which are only a couple of countless spin-offs of a
>>> British programs which did not become popular until they succeeded in
>>> the UK.
>>>
>>> So, "yes really".
>>
>> How about an Example, not a prediction? And not inconsequential stuff
>> like the Beatles and TV shows. National Health Care, Nationalization of
>> Railways and Airlines, ban on firearms, ban on death penalty. Something
>> of consequence.
>
> Nothing else needs be said, than the above exchange, to illustrate your
> caviling nonsense.


IOW, you have NO examples. The inconsequential flows both ways.

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4/16/2010 10:20 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/16/2010 6:49 PM, LDosser wrote:
>>>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>> How about Sharia law adoption for starters? See how we fare here in
>>>>> another ten years. Add ubiquitous surveillance cameras, about 1 for
>>>>> every 14 people in England about ten years ago and rapidly growing
>>>>> here. How about DNA databases of citizens? England already has the
>>>>> largest per capita DNA database in the world, see how long it takes
>>>>> for us to do the same. Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles
>>>>> shaping of our youth culture, or TV programs like The Office, or
>>>>> American Idol, which are only a couple of countless spin-offs of a
>>>>> British programs which did not become popular until they succeeded in
>>>>> the UK.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, "yes really".
>>>>
>>>> How about an Example, not a prediction? And not inconsequential stuff
>>>> like the Beatles and TV shows. National Health Care, Nationalization of
>>>> Railways and Airlines, ban on firearms, ban on death penalty. Something
>>>> of consequence.
>>>
>>> Nothing else needs be said, than the above exchange, to illustrate
>>> your caviling nonsense.
>>
>>
>> IOW, you have NO examples. The inconsequential flows both ways.
>
> IOW, You demonstrably wouldn't recognize an example if bit you on the ass.

OK, you win the pissing up a rope contest ...

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4/17/2010 11:18 AM, LDosser wrote:
>
>> OK, you win the pissing up a rope contest ...
>
> Now, it would be laughable, if it wasn't so damn sad, that it was the
> following remark in this thread that initiated our two small minded
> cavilers to get their collective panties twisted in such a fashion:

Hey, you're the one pissing up the rope.

>
> "As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5 to
> 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues. "
>
> Shame on both of you ... one would think you could find something more
> offending (and you both were obviously looking for an opportunity) to piss
> your pants and take exception to.
>
> Discernment is obviously not your long suit, particular when it comes to
> the difference between "social and cultural", and your political and
> governmental interposition's.

It doesn't even apply to your definition of "social and cultural". In fact,
more of it goes the other way.

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4/17/2010 12:22 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/17/2010 11:18 AM, LDosser wrote:
>>>
>>>> OK, you win the pissing up a rope contest ...
>>>
>>> Now, it would be laughable, if it wasn't so damn sad, that it was the
>>> following remark in this thread that initiated our two small minded
>>> cavilers to get their collective panties twisted in such a fashion:
>>
>> Hey, you're the one pissing up the rope.
>
> "Not really" ...
>

You trying to tell us that was rain? ;-)

"Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 4/17/2010 5:39 PM, LDosser wrote:
>> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On 4/17/2010 12:22 PM, LDosser wrote:
>
>>>> Hey, you're the one pissing up the rope.
>>>
>>> "Not really" ...
>>>
>>
>> You trying to tell us that was rain? ;-)
>
> Nope, just that, according to some, that particular phrase is apparently
> the definitive dismissal of anything it refers to. :)
>

There you go again! :()

On 4/16/2010 6:49 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> How about Sharia law adoption for starters? See how we fare here in
>> another ten years. Add ubiquitous surveillance cameras, about 1 for
>> every 14 people in England about ten years ago and rapidly growing
>> here. How about DNA databases of citizens? England already has the
>> largest per capita DNA database in the world, see how long it takes
>> for us to do the same. Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles
>> shaping of our youth culture, or TV programs like The Office, or
>> American Idol, which are only a couple of countless spin-offs of a
>> British programs which did not become popular until they succeeded in
>> the UK.
>>
>> So, "yes really".
>
> How about an Example, not a prediction? And not inconsequential stuff
> like the Beatles and TV shows. National Health Care, Nationalization of
> Railways and Airlines, ban on firearms, ban on death penalty. Something
> of consequence.

Nothing else needs be said, than the above exchange, to illustrate your
caviling nonsense.

Pity ...

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On 4/15/2010 11:01 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> So, now that you started this little pissing contest, tell us exactly
>> what makes you think your experience trumps mine, eh?
>
> Did I say that?

You tried to with your "not really", but it didn't work. You don't get
perspective by simply being born somewhere, or being "stationed there".

>>>> The increasing, everyday, 'nanny state' pervasiveness, and all that it
>>>> entails (from privacy issues, to government intervention in every
>>>> aspect of life) that has been rearing it's head here in the last
>>>> thirty years roughly parallels that level of social phenomenon in the
>>>> UK some 40 years ago.
>>>
>>> We're not even close.
>>
>> In ten more years, or less, at the current rate.
>
> This was your claim:
>>>>>> As I've stated a number of times, we generally follow the UK about 5
>>>>>> to 10 years when it comes to social and cultural issues.
>
> So, got a good example?

How about Sharia law adoption for starters? See how we fare here in
another ten years. Add ubiquitous surveillance cameras, about 1 for
every 14 people in England about ten years ago and rapidly growing here.
How about DNA databases of citizens? England already has the largest per
capita DNA database in the world, see how long it takes for us to do the
same. Hell, you can even go back to the Beatles shaping of our youth
culture, or TV programs like The Office, or American Idol, which are
only a couple of countless spin-offs of a British programs which did not
become popular until they succeeded in the UK.

So, "yes really".

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"busbus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Who knows if Mail Online is a legit paper or not? Foreign newspapers
> all seem like the National Enquirer to me...

The Mail is a right-leaning tabloid aimed at a lower-middle-class
readership. They have been known to target celebrities in unwise ways
resulting in public protests and successful libel lawsuits. The Mail
regularly features stories intended to raise the blood pressure of
taxpayers, e.g. welfare bums, immigrant welfare bums, unpunished criminals
etc. However that doesn't mean higher blood pressure isn't a valid response
to some of the stories--Britain seems to have lost its mind in some
respects.

In this case I'd say daddy should be given 90 days to find a job or see his
benefits cut.

On 4/17/2010 5:39 PM, LDosser wrote:
> "Swingman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On 4/17/2010 12:22 PM, LDosser wrote:

>>> Hey, you're the one pissing up the rope.
>>
>> "Not really" ...
>>
>
> You trying to tell us that was rain? ;-)

Nope, just that, according to some, that particular phrase is apparently
the definitive dismissal of anything it refers to. :)

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