Sz

"Stoutman"

22/08/2006 1:51 AM

Jointer Blades How accurate?

I just sharpened and reset my jointer blades. I checked (dial caliper) that
the blades were level with the outfeed table and one blade is 0.001" above
and one is 0.002" below (the other is level).

Obviously having all at 0.000" above or below would be ideal, but I still
want to keep the little hair I have left on my head.

Do you think this is acceptable? Will I notice this when jointing?

I assume the highest blades will wear the fastest and maybe "catch-up" with
the low blades with use as they dull.

--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com


This topic has 14 replies

b

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

23/08/2006 11:55 AM


Stoutman wrote:
> > Just to confuse the issue is that on both sides or in the middle.
> >
> > Mike M
>
> Nope, doesn't confuse anything.
>
> I set my knives using a magnetic jig like this one:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000223DS/002-5014446-8071214?v=glance&n=228013
>
> It ensures (in theory) that the blade is parallel with the outfeed table.
> Therefore, the blade measurements should be (and usually are) the same down
> the length of the blade.

In fact, that's not possible. There will always be some error, however
slight. And ... I'd not presume that any blade is precisely straight.
Meaning: within zero tolerance.

This is not metalworking. Being within .005- .10" and being consistent
is excellent.

Fussing about a blade measured radially off by .001" is obsessive.
IMHO.

TTFN,
J

MM

Mike M

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

21/08/2006 8:22 PM

Just to confuse the issue is that on both sides or in the middle.

Mike M


On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:51:21 GMT, "Stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I just sharpened and reset my jointer blades. I checked (dial caliper) that
>the blades were level with the outfeed table and one blade is 0.001" above
>and one is 0.002" below (the other is level).
>
>Obviously having all at 0.000" above or below would be ideal, but I still
>want to keep the little hair I have left on my head.
>
>Do you think this is acceptable? Will I notice this when jointing?
>
>I assume the highest blades will wear the fastest and maybe "catch-up" with
>the low blades with use as they dull.

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:32 AM

I don't mean any offense by this so please don't take it that way. I am
responsible for training new hires at work (machine shop). I have been
machining for over twenty years. I am also told that I am a rather good
teacher but, it is the rare individual that I would trust to take a
measurement with dial calipers to that kind of accuracy. There are too many
things working against you in that situation. I would say that it is
probably closer than you can measure which is very well close enough. The
blades will wear .003 in very short order and they will even themselves up.
To set them any closer, I would recommend a dial indicator. Not totally goof
proof but, I don't see you as a goof either.

"Stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> I just sharpened and reset my jointer blades. I checked (dial caliper)
that
> the blades were level with the outfeed table and one blade is 0.001" above
> and one is 0.002" below (the other is level).
>
> Obviously having all at 0.000" above or below would be ideal, but I still
> want to keep the little hair I have left on my head.
>
> Do you think this is acceptable? Will I notice this when jointing?
>
> I assume the highest blades will wear the fastest and maybe "catch-up"
with
> the low blades with use as they dull.
>
> --
> Stoutman
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com
>
>

GE

"George E. Cawthon"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 5:46 AM

Stoutman wrote:
> I just sharpened and reset my jointer blades. I checked (dial caliper) that
> the blades were level with the outfeed table and one blade is 0.001" above
> and one is 0.002" below (the other is level).
>
> Obviously having all at 0.000" above or below would be ideal, but I still
> want to keep the little hair I have left on my head.
>
> Do you think this is acceptable? Will I notice this when jointing?
>
> I assume the highest blades will wear the fastest and maybe "catch-up" with
> the low blades with use as they dull.
>

Check here:

http://woodworking.homeip.net/wood/Tuning%20Tools/Jointers/Jointers.html

I think the "low-tech" type of setting that
measures cutter height by measuring how far a
blade moves a stick is pretty good, but I'm no
professional.

PH

Peter Huebner

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 5:15 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Not to beat this to death, but at what point would you consider the error to
> large and re-set the knife?
>
> Thanks!

In my experience you start getting chatter somewhere between .05 and .15 mm.
Depends on the width and hardness of the wood.

-Peter


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Sz

"Stoutman"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:35 AM

Darn it. I meant to say DIAL INDICATOR, not dial caliper!!!

Uggghhh!

--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com

Sz

"Stoutman"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 3:29 AM

> Just to confuse the issue is that on both sides or in the middle.
>
> Mike M

Nope, doesn't confuse anything.

I set my knives using a magnetic jig like this one:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000223DS/002-5014446-8071214?v=glance&n=228013

It ensures (in theory) that the blade is parallel with the outfeed table.
Therefore, the blade measurements should be (and usually are) the same down
the length of the blade.


Sz

"Stoutman"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:37 AM

"CW" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I don't mean any offense by this so please don't take it that way. I am
> responsible for training new hires at work (machine shop). I have been
> machining for over twenty years. I am also told that I am a rather good
> teacher but, it is the rare individual that I would trust to take a
> measurement with dial calipers to that kind of accuracy. There are too
> many
> things working against you in that situation. I would say that it is
> probably closer than you can measure which is very well close enough. The
> blades will wear .003 in very short order and they will even themselves
> up.

Thats what I thought regarding the wear. Thanks!

> To set them any closer, I would recommend a dial indicator. Not totally
> goof
> proof but, I don't see you as a goof either.

Yep, I used a dial indicator, not a dial caliper like I wrote!

Thank you!

Sz

"Stoutman"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:44 AM

Not to beat this to death, but at what point would you consider the error to
large and re-set the knife?

Thanks!

--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com


Sz

"Stoutman"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 3:11 AM

Thanks Joe!

That guy sure is rough with his jointer! I'm not sure I would smack my
jointer knife with a wooden block while it was in the cutter head, but thats
just me!

I enjoyed his presentation though! Thank you.


--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com


Sz

"Stoutman"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:17 AM

I am referring to measurements at 'top-dead-center'. -Just in case there is
confusion.


--
Stoutman
http://www.garagewoodworks.com

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:58 AM

About .007.
"Stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Not to beat this to death, but at what point would you consider the error
to
> large and re-set the knife?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Stoutman
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com
>
>
>

JW

Joe Wells

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

21/08/2006 9:25 PM

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 01:51:21 +0000, Stoutman wrote:

> I just sharpened and reset my jointer blades. I checked (dial caliper) that
> the blades were level with the outfeed table and one blade is 0.001" above
> and one is 0.002" below (the other is level).
>
> Obviously having all at 0.000" above or below would be ideal, but I still
> want to keep the little hair I have left on my head.
>
> Do you think this is acceptable? Will I notice this when jointing?
>
> I assume the highest blades will wear the fastest and maybe "catch-up" with
> the low blades with use as they dull.

I dunno nothin' 'bout settin no blades. But this guy does:
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2983839096587014177&hl=en>

--
-Joe Wells

"Here stands baseball's perfect warrior. Here stands baseball's perfect knight."
-Ford Frick upon Stan Musial's retirement

Cc

"CW"

in reply to "Stoutman" on 22/08/2006 1:51 AM

22/08/2006 2:40 AM

OK so you probably do have the measurements right. In any case, I would call
what you have close enough. Consider the magnitude of the error.
"Stoutman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Darn it. I meant to say DIAL INDICATOR, not dial caliper!!!
>
> Uggghhh!
>
> --
> Stoutman
> http://www.garagewoodworks.com
>
>


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