<kicks soapbox into centre of room>
For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
ramifications to others. Two of these are:
1. Depending on the news client being used, extra (usually unnecessary)
threads appear that need to be filtered or read, making the process of
reviewing the days posts more onerous.
2. The effect on Google. I'll cite an example to point out what happens.
Look at the "Bombay chest plans" thread.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=Knqab.42%240c1.35%40twister.southeast.rr.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3DBombay%2Bchest%2Bplans%2Bgroup%253Arec.woodworking%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
A slight change was made to the name to indicate the proper usage of an
accent. However, when you review that thread in Google, the thread is broken
because the name has changed.
<http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=
20030919085316.08313.00001035%40mb-m14.aol.com&rnum=24&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3
Dbombe%26safe%3Dimages%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.woodworki
ng%26lr%3Dlang_en%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den>
This may seem trivial, but consider that Google is the historical record and
we tell newbies to use Google to research answers. It is easier to follow
the older threads than those posted in the last year where the answers are
getting fragmented. Newsreaders such as OE, Agent and M2 can track the
thread whilst it remains on the server, thereafter you have to use Google
and the thread is broken forever.
Finally, since I'm on the soap box, how many OT threads do we see? I have
recently been thinking that if we did not name those posts (other than a
simple "OT"), they would be all grouped together and management would be
greatly simplified. Not having a descriptive name such as "the great mailbox
bashing debate" really wouldn't matter that much. I think most do a quick
scan of the content or 'hunt the author' anyway (I accept there is likely to
be disagreement from the 'Agent' camp on this as they flag messages for
download).
These comments are my opinion and not necessarily those of the management.
<kicks soapbox back into corner>
Greg
Dave,
if I was not interested in intelligent comments I would have addressed this
to you directly. If you have nothing to add, which you rarely do, you have
the option of not commenting at all.
You could have included 'snipping' as well, but again, judging from your
post, you have no concept of this either.
But for the record, soap box posts are clearly opinion. I tried to say why I
had that opinion, and made suggestions. Contrast that to your personal
attack and complete lack of any information whatsoever.
You're an ass Dave.
Sincerely
Greg
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> since you are bent on stirring up a hornet's nest why not add "the evils
> of top (bottom) posting??
Hi Greg,
Noted! :)
Thought a thread-break was in order ... that's all ... I'll pay closer
attention next time I hijack a conversation (yes, I'm still smiling). Let's
have a cold one or three, eh?
Regards,
Rick
NOTE: This is to let others know that you can have different opinions,
express them, exchange ideas, and remain cordial throughout it all. As far
as I know, no sensibilities have been ruffled during this conversation.
"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > At least I know someone besides Charlie read my note.
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> your post was cited as an example of how the thread can be broken in
Google
> by a subtle name change, that's all there was to it.
>
> "For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
> change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
> ramifications to others."
>
> The above paragraph was to raise awareness of the readers, not to
criticise.
>
> cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >would deny me the right-of-reply to comments to a thread that I started.
> You say that as if being denied the right to reply to Joe Woody,
> et al. is a -bad- thing!
C'mon Larry, we all secretly followed Joe Woody's trail to destruction, you
had to. In case a newbie followed his advice and blew himself up welding a
gas tank.
> I get real tired of some posters and it's easier to plonk those
> few than to let them chafe. Life is too short to suffer people
> you consider fools. (I'm quite sure I'm in a few filters and I
> can respect that.)
Oh, I didn't say I don't get tired of them, they ruin it for the rest of us.
> >That's just how I am Larry, I think you've seen enough of my posts to
know I
> >don't wittingly feed trolls. So, plonk me if you will, though I'd be
sorry
> >if you did so.
>
> I hope I don't have to, either. But just so you know, a burr
> under the saddle is just as uncomfortable if a friend puts it
> there.
Well, it's not intentional, and that makes a difference I hope. Anyway, I
don't think I'll be bothering with him today, judging from these three other
recent responses to him, he's off his meds:
"You truly are ate up like a dumb ass aren't you?"
"Your lack of woodworking skill is surpassed only by your inability to grasp
the English language and simple metaphors."
"Again Dave, I ask, what the hell crawled up your ass and died?"
cheers,
Greg
There's the top-posting crowd,
The bottom posting crowd,
and the Interjected within the post crowd.
This is all three.
"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> <kicks soapbox into centre of room>
Hope you didn't hurt your foot Greg!
>
> For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
> change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
> ramifications to others.
As there is when the subject changes completely ... say from a discussion
about woodworking to a rant about someone's political views vs. anothers
wacked out theories. Not that THAT ever happens here ... nosiree, nope, no
way.
> A slight change was made to the name to indicate the proper usage of an
> accent. However, when you review that thread in Google, the thread is
broken
> because the name has changed.
And a good thing it is ... because that message had nothing to do with plans
for a Bombé chest, and everything to do with "é". It WAS a different thread
... on purpose.
>
> This may seem trivial, but consider that Google is the historical record
and
> we tell newbies to use Google to research answers. It is easier to follow
> the older threads than those posted in the last year where the answers are
> getting fragmented.
Imagine ... I didn't add to the pile ... and am noted for doing so. Thanks
Greg!!! :)
At least I know someone besides Charlie read my note.
Rick
sweeping crushed remains of soapbox into the scrap pile in the corner.
"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Ow! that hurt! you don't like me? I don't think I can go on...
>
> Finally! Your comprehension is improving Dave, congratulations.
>
> Your comment of "since you are bent on stirring up a hornet's nest why not
> add the evils of top (bottom) posting??" is so hypocritical it's laughable.
> Go back to December with Google, use "Anyone against changing subject title
> as thread topic changes". You may recognise the thread that you started. Do
> you mean that you can indulge in the subject, and not others?
>
> > naw, I changed my mind. It's nice not to be you Foggy. Every time I
> > read an admirer's post, it makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that but
> > for the grace of God, I could be a rude and crude antisocial jackass
> > like you.
>
> God's grace *has* smiled on you Dave, you're just too emotionally immature
> to see it. Your comprehension problems have surfaced again here. Use Google
> freely, you won't find many instances of me being rude. But, I'll let others
> judge the accuracy of your above statement, once they finish cleaning their
> monitors that is.
>
> > Keep up the good work so that no one else will need to
> > fill your putrid shoes.
>
> Dave, you produce more *spam*, more worthless posts than anyone on this
> group ever has. You're quick to attack and defensive to a fault. At around
> 200 - 300 posts per month, your noise to signal ratio is ridiculous. The
> group is not about you, me, or any other individual, it is about woodworking
> and related subjects. You started in with a hypocritical personal attack,
> then froth at the mouth when I respond. You say your age is around 50? I
> find it hard to believe that someone could live so long and learn so little.
>
> Again, you're an ass. Defined as: "A vain, self-important, silly, or
> aggressively stupid person.". Says it all really.
>
> Again, sincerely,
>
> Greg
Shame on you Groggy!
What are you thinking? Don`t feed the trolls!
These morons will never stop if you keep feeding them.
Ignore him and we`ll hope he goes away=)
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:25:36 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
pixelated:
>
>"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Groggy, just plonk the idiot and be done with it.
>> Why continue when the outcome is a known downer?
>> (Hint: Plonk him before people start plonking you.)
>
>
>Larry, whilst I respect your contributions to the wreck over the years I
>think this may need a little re-think. For one, you're using Agent, and I
>believe that wonderful little tool allows you to kill a thread. Two, this
Yes, but he replies to threads I wish to follow, too. When someone
replies to his otherwise filtered crap, I see it. When Forté adds
filtering to message bodies, Agent will be complete. Until then,
we can filter posters but not replies to same posters.
<sigh...>
>would deny me the right-of-reply to comments to a thread that I started.
You say that as if being denied the right to reply to Joe Woody,
et al. is a -bad- thing!
>Three, I do not plonk regular "contributors", err, scratch that - "posters",
>no matter how asinine they aspire to be (exceptions are constant
>crossposters).
I get real tired of some posters and it's easier to plonk those
few than to let them chafe. Life is too short to suffer people
you consider fools. (I'm quite sure I'm in a few filters and I
can respect that.)
>That's just how I am Larry, I think you've seen enough of my posts to know I
>don't wittingly feed trolls. So, plonk me if you will, though I'd be sorry
>if you did so.
I hope I don't have to, either. But just so you know, a burr
under the saddle is just as uncomfortable if a friend puts it
there.
----------------------------------------------------------
--== EAT RIGHT...KEEP FIT...DIE ANYWAY ==--
http://www.diversify.com/stees.html - Schnazzy Tees online
----------------------------------------------------------
"Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Ow! that hurt! you don't like me? I don't think I can go on...
Finally! Your comprehension is improving Dave, congratulations.
Your comment of "since you are bent on stirring up a hornet's nest why not
add the evils of top (bottom) posting??" is so hypocritical it's laughable.
Go back to December with Google, use "Anyone against changing subject title
as thread topic changes". You may recognise the thread that you started. Do
you mean that you can indulge in the subject, and not others?
> naw, I changed my mind. It's nice not to be you Foggy. Every time I
> read an admirer's post, it makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that but
> for the grace of God, I could be a rude and crude antisocial jackass
> like you.
God's grace *has* smiled on you Dave, you're just too emotionally immature
to see it. Your comprehension problems have surfaced again here. Use Google
freely, you won't find many instances of me being rude. But, I'll let others
judge the accuracy of your above statement, once they finish cleaning their
monitors that is.
> Keep up the good work so that no one else will need to
> fill your putrid shoes.
Dave, you produce more *spam*, more worthless posts than anyone on this
group ever has. You're quick to attack and defensive to a fault. At around
200 - 300 posts per month, your noise to signal ratio is ridiculous. The
group is not about you, me, or any other individual, it is about woodworking
and related subjects. You started in with a hypocritical personal attack,
then froth at the mouth when I respond. You say your age is around 50? I
find it hard to believe that someone could live so long and learn so little.
Again, you're an ass. Defined as: "A vain, self-important, silly, or
aggressively stupid person.". Says it all really.
Again, sincerely,
Greg
"Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> At least I know someone besides Charlie read my note.
Hi Rick,
your post was cited as an example of how the thread can be broken in Google
by a subtle name change, that's all there was to it.
"For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
ramifications to others."
The above paragraph was to raise awareness of the readers, not to criticise.
cheers,
Greg
Ow! that hurt! you don't like me? I don't think I can go on...
naw, I changed my mind. It's nice not to be you Foggy. Every time I
read an admirer's post, it makes me all warm and fuzzy knowing that but
for the grace of God, I could be a rude and crude antisocial jackass
like you. Fortunately you've already elected to fill the role. You are
doing great. Keep up the good work so that no one else will need to
fill your putrid shoes.
dave
Groggy wrote:
> Dave,
>
> if I was not interested in intelligent comments I would have addressed this
> to you directly. If you have nothing to add, which you rarely do, you have
> the option of not commenting at all.
>
> You could have included 'snipping' as well, but again, judging from your
> post, you have no concept of this either.
>
> But for the record, soap box posts are clearly opinion. I tried to say why I
> had that opinion, and made suggestions. Contrast that to your personal
> attack and complete lack of any information whatsoever.
>
> You're an ass Dave.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Greg
>
> "Bay Area Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>since you are bent on stirring up a hornet's nest why not add "the evils
>>of top (bottom) posting??
>
>
>
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:19:14 GMT, Bay Area Dave <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hell no, it doesn't hurt!
Of course not.
That would require a CNS.
"If you think OSHA is a small town in Wisconsin, you may be in big
trouble."
Regards, Tom
Thomas J. Watson-Cabinetmaker
Gulph Mills, Pennsylvania
http://users.snip.net/~tjwatson
since you are bent on stirring up a hornet's nest why not add "the evils
of top (bottom) posting??
dave
Groggy wrote:
> <kicks soapbox into centre of room>
>
> For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
> change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
> ramifications to others. Two of these are:
>
> 1. Depending on the news client being used, extra (usually unnecessary)
> threads appear that need to be filtered or read, making the process of
> reviewing the days posts more onerous.
>
> 2. The effect on Google. I'll cite an example to point out what happens.
> Look at the "Bombay chest plans" thread.
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=Knqab.42%240c1.35%40twister.southeast.rr.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3DBombay%2Bchest%2Bplans%2Bgroup%253Arec.woodworking%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
>
> A slight change was made to the name to indicate the proper usage of an
> accent. However, when you review that thread in Google, the thread is broken
> because the name has changed.
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=
> 20030919085316.08313.00001035%40mb-m14.aol.com&rnum=24&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3
> Dbombe%26safe%3Dimages%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.woodworki
> ng%26lr%3Dlang_en%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den>
>
> This may seem trivial, but consider that Google is the historical record and
> we tell newbies to use Google to research answers. It is easier to follow
> the older threads than those posted in the last year where the answers are
> getting fragmented. Newsreaders such as OE, Agent and M2 can track the
> thread whilst it remains on the server, thereafter you have to use Google
> and the thread is broken forever.
>
> Finally, since I'm on the soap box, how many OT threads do we see? I have
> recently been thinking that if we did not name those posts (other than a
> simple "OT"), they would be all grouped together and management would be
> greatly simplified. Not having a descriptive name such as "the great mailbox
> bashing debate" really wouldn't matter that much. I think most do a quick
> scan of the content or 'hunt the author' anyway (I accept there is likely to
> be disagreement from the 'Agent' camp on this as they flag messages for
> download).
>
> These comments are my opinion and not necessarily those of the management.
>
> <kicks soapbox back into corner>
>
> Greg
>
>
Hell no, it doesn't hurt! It's liberating. You can speak your mind
without having to get into an imbroglio with a dunderhand that has
already irritated the crap out of you. I can say whatever I want about
Groggy and I won't see his response. And by the same token he can plonk
me and I can STILL say what I want, but behind his back. Either way
it's a win/win situation. Try it!
dave
solarman wrote:
> I've never been "plonked" before. Can someone who has, please tell me.....
> Does it hurt? <grin> Is there a safe way to plonk someone or should I just
> use a plank instead? Planking would get their attention better I'd bet...
> Besides, this being a woodworking newsgroup and all, wouldn't it be better
> to "Plank" them instead?
>
>
>>>That's just how I am Larry, I think you've seen enough of my posts to
>
> know I
>
>>>don't wittingly feed trolls. So, plonk me if you will, though I'd be
>
> sorry
>
>>>if you did so.
>>
>>I hope I don't have to, either. But just so you know, a burr
>>under the saddle is just as uncomfortable if a friend puts it
>>there.
>
>
>
"solarman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I've never been "plonked" before. Can someone who has, please tell me.....
> Does it hurt? <grin> Is there a safe way to plonk someone or should I just
> use a plank instead? Planking would get their attention better I'd bet...
> Besides, this being a woodworking newsgroup and all, wouldn't it be better
> to "Plank" them instead?
Plonking is what you do when you can't get close enough to plank someone. If
the option to plank someone is at hand, then that's the preferred,
pleasurable alternative, but it's usual to have that option available.
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 02:55:14 GMT, Larry Jaques <jake@di\/ersify.com>
Crawled out of the shop and said. . .:
>On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:57:42 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
>pixelated:
>
>>
>>"Bay Area Dave" musters his best facts and issues:...
>>> snip Froggies childish rant
>
>>people were picking on you? Go back to your response to me Dave - you
>>started this - all of this was totally unnecessary.
>
>You started it.
>No I didn't.
>Yes you did.
>No I didn't.
>
>Groggy, just plonk the idiot and be done with it.
>Why continue when the outcome is a known downer?
>(Hint: Plonk him before people start plonking you.)
>
LOL
you know, i had him plonked for about two days,,,then i though, "what
the hell, its interesting to see what he's gonna do next"
T
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 21:57:42 GMT, "Groggy" <[email protected]>
pixelated:
>
>"Bay Area Dave" musters his best facts and issues:...
>> snip Froggies childish rant
>people were picking on you? Go back to your response to me Dave - you
>started this - all of this was totally unnecessary.
You started it.
No I didn't.
Yes you did.
No I didn't.
Groggy, just plonk the idiot and be done with it.
Why continue when the outcome is a known downer?
(Hint: Plonk him before people start plonking you.)
----------------------------------------------------------
--== EAT RIGHT...KEEP FIT...DIE ANYWAY ==--
http://www.diversify.com/stees.html - Schnazzy Tees online
----------------------------------------------------------
In article <[email protected]>,
solarman <[email protected]> wrote:
>I've never been "plonked" before. Can someone who has, please tell me.....
>Does it hurt? <grin> Is there a safe way to plonk someone or should I just
>use a plank instead? Planking would get their attention better I'd bet...
>Besides, this being a woodworking newsgroup and all, wouldn't it be better
>to "Plank" them instead?
It's a verb: Plink, Plank, Plonk. <snicker>
The function is _not_ to get their attention,
but to stop letting them get _yours_.
It's the (metaphorical) sound of an ID being dropped into a 'killfile',
whereupon the 'dropper' doesn't see any subsequent messages from the 'dropee'.
As to "does it hurt?" -- that depends on how sensitive your feelings are.
I'd guess it's *utterly*painless* for practically any participant in _this_
group. :)
"Robert Bonomi" <bonomi@c-ns.> wrote in message news:cv9bb.47953
> >1. Depending on the news client being used, extra (usually unnecessary)
> >threads appear that need to be filtered or read, making the process of
> >reviewing the days posts more onerous.
>
> That is a symptom of *DEFECTIVE* software. _Quality_ newsreaders use the
> "References: " header to construct the thread relationship.
>
> If you have that particular 'problem', then either switch to a *better*
> newsreader, or agitate for the vendor to _fix_ the one you've got.
So your solution is that people affected change their news reader? If so,
how do they *know* if they're affected (purpose of the post BTW). The real
problem lies with retrieving from the archives though.
> With a 'real' newsreader, the articles are 'threaded' according to the
> "References: " header, *and* any time the subject line differs from the
> preceding article by more than a "Re: " at the front, the changed subject
> line is _also_ shown.
The thread was not intended to be about newsreaders, it was about thread
naming and changes. I take it that your 'real newsreader' will allow you to
query posts back to the mid 90's and recreate them in their correct thread -
including subject renaming?
Google searches do not provide for changes in the subject title very well,
as I indicated previously. Using a Google search through the web browser
loses such changes. No matter what client you use, AFAIK, when you attempt
to retrieve historical searches through the browser, information is lost.
> >A slight change was made to the name to indicate the proper usage of an
> >accent. However, when you review that thread in Google, the thread is
broken
> >because the name has changed.
>
> On the other hand, somebody who does a _search_ based on the *correct*
spelling
> can now -find- the latter part of the thread, instead of missing it
*entirely*.
Following your argument Rob, they will miss the former part of the thread.
If the search was done on 'bombe", and the subject had not changed, the
*entire* thread would be retrieved. In addition, a search on bombay would
also return the same thread.
> And it's better to be able to find _part_ of the thread, than *none* of
it.
Indeed, a 'hit' is a 'hit'.
>
> The occasional 'break' in the threading is *not* a 'bad thing'.
Particularly
> when a 'stream of articles' diverges into two (or more!) different
subjects,
> *all*of*which*are*UNRELATED*to*the*original*subject*, it *is* convenient
to
> be able to find _just_ the particular 'thread' in that 'skein' that you
are
> interested in.
>
> >Finally, since I'm on the soap box, how many OT threads do we see? I have
> >recently been thinking that if we did not name those posts (other than a
> >simple "OT"), they would be all grouped together and management would be
> >greatly simplified.
>
> *ONLY* if you're using a "broken" newsreader.
Hmm, this is opinion. I'd say that a reader that allowed all "OT" to group
together would be a good thing <g>. Again though, web browsing using google
would group them together. This was just a thought, probably not a good one.
> >These comments are my opinion and not necessarily those of the
management.
>
> I think you've mistaken a deficiency in your newsreader software for a
> 'universal' failing. :)
If by 'reader', you mean the web browser and Googles failure to reconstruct
the thread when renamed then, yes, I agree. Otherwise the newsreaders were
peripheral to my discussion point of retrieving complete threads from the
archive.
> I can't blame you too much for that -- If you haven't been exposed to
'quality'
> software, you just don't know that the better tools exist.
Just for the record, like a lot of others on this group, I've been around
computers since the late 70's when I bought my first PC, so I don't consider
myself a novice (it's also my profession). I have been exposed to quality
readers, and return to OE simply for speed and standardisation.
> <kicks Greg in the direction of the soapbox.:) >
I'm interested in any newsreader that can reconstruct the archive threads
though. If it doesn't exist, we're left with Google and fragmented threads.
<nudges the box back again>
Greg
In article <[email protected]>,
Groggy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
><kicks soapbox into centre of room>
>
>For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
>change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
>ramifications to others. Two of these are:
>
>1. Depending on the news client being used, extra (usually unnecessary)
>threads appear that need to be filtered or read, making the process of
>reviewing the days posts more onerous.
That is a symptom of *DEFECTIVE* software. _Quality_ newsreaders use the
"References: " header to construct the thread relationship.
If you have that particular 'problem', then either switch to a *better*
newsreader, or agitate for the vendor to _fix_ the one you've got.
With a 'real' newsreader, the articles are 'threaded' according to the
"References: " header, *and* any time the subject line differs from the
preceding article by more than a "Re: " at the front, the changed subject
line is _also_ shown.
This was a 'solved problem' *before* IBM or Apple started making personal
computers. The simple fact is that the people writing software for those
newfangled machines "couldn't be bothered" to learn from the experience of
others. Resulting in the inferior software currently available for personal
computers.
>2. The effect on Google. I'll cite an example to point out what happens.
>Look at the "Bombay chest plans" thread.
>
>http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=Knqab.42%240c1.35%40twister.southeast.rr.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fnum%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3DBombay%2Bchest%2Bplans%2Bgroup%253Arec.woodworking%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
>
>A slight change was made to the name to indicate the proper usage of an
>accent. However, when you review that thread in Google, the thread is broken
>because the name has changed.
On the other hand, somebody who does a _search_ based on the *correct* spelling
can now -find- the latter part of the thread, instead of missing it *entirely*.
><http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=
>20030919085316.08313.00001035%40mb-m14.aol.com&rnum=24&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3
>Dbombe%26safe%3Dimages%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.woodworki
>ng%26lr%3Dlang_en%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den>
>
>This may seem trivial, but consider that Google is the historical record and
>we tell newbies to use Google to research answers. It is easier to follow
>the older threads than those posted in the last year where the answers are
>getting fragmented. Newsreaders such as OE, Agent and M2 can track the
>thread whilst it remains on the server, thereafter you have to use Google
>and the thread is broken forever.
And it's better to be able to find _part_ of the thread, than *none* of it.
The occasional 'break' in the threading is *not* a 'bad thing'. Particularly
when a 'stream of articles' diverges into two (or more!) different subjects,
*all*of*which*are*UNRELATED*to*the*original*subject*, it *is* convenient to
be able to find _just_ the particular 'thread' in that 'skein' that you are
interested in.
>Finally, since I'm on the soap box, how many OT threads do we see? I have
>recently been thinking that if we did not name those posts (other than a
>simple "OT"), they would be all grouped together and management would be
>greatly simplified.
*ONLY* if you're using a "broken" newsreader.
> Not having a descriptive name such as "the great mailbox
>bashing debate" really wouldn't matter that much. I think most do a quick
>scan of the content or 'hunt the author' anyway (I accept there is likely to
>be disagreement from the 'Agent' camp on this as they flag messages for
>download).
>
>These comments are my opinion and not necessarily those of the management.
I think you've mistaken a deficiency in your newsreader software for a
'universal' failing. :)
I can't blame you too much for that -- If you haven't been exposed to 'quality'
software, you just don't know that the better tools exist.
>
><kicks soapbox back into corner>
<kicks Greg in the direction of the soapbox.:) >
"Larry Jaques" <jake@di\/ersify.com> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Groggy, just plonk the idiot and be done with it.
> Why continue when the outcome is a known downer?
> (Hint: Plonk him before people start plonking you.)
Larry, whilst I respect your contributions to the wreck over the years I
think this may need a little re-think. For one, you're using Agent, and I
believe that wonderful little tool allows you to kill a thread. Two, this
would deny me the right-of-reply to comments to a thread that I started.
Three, I do not plonk regular "contributors", err, scratch that - "posters",
no matter how asinine they aspire to be (exceptions are constant
crossposters).
That's just how I am Larry, I think you've seen enough of my posts to know I
don't wittingly feed trolls. So, plonk me if you will, though I'd be sorry
if you did so.
cheers,
Greg
"Bay Area Dave" musters his best facts and issues:...
> ""
> Sincerely,
>
> dave
>
>
> Groggy wrote:
> snip Froggies childish rant
Oh dear, name calling! I'd reply with "Tail Gunner Dave" as a retort but no,
that's been used by someone else. What about "Bad Attitude Dave", no, that's
already been used too. I wonder why people have developed these names for
you Dave? Maybe your arrogance and hypocrisy have needled others too
perhaps? Where are your "admirers" now Dave?
You really should stop trying to bully people Dave, after all, wasn't that
why you were whining when you first came to the group, because you thought
people were picking on you? Go back to your response to me Dave - you
started this - all of this was totally unnecessary.
Greg
I've never been "plonked" before. Can someone who has, please tell me.....
Does it hurt? <grin> Is there a safe way to plonk someone or should I just
use a plank instead? Planking would get their attention better I'd bet...
Besides, this being a woodworking newsgroup and all, wouldn't it be better
to "Plank" them instead?
> >That's just how I am Larry, I think you've seen enough of my posts to
know I
> >don't wittingly feed trolls. So, plonk me if you will, though I'd be
sorry
> >if you did so.
>
> I hope I don't have to, either. But just so you know, a burr
> under the saddle is just as uncomfortable if a friend puts it
> there.
"Groggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Rick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > At least I know someone besides Charlie read my note.
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> your post was cited as an example of how the thread can be broken in
Google
> by a subtle name change, that's all there was to it.
>
> "For those who are unaware, and often rename threads to indicate a slight
> change to the topic. Please understand that when you do this there are
> ramifications to others."
>
> The above paragraph was to raise awareness of the readers, not to
criticise.
>
> cheers,
>
> Greg
>
>
Looking up a few threads at "why wood prices are going up" is a call for
renaming threads... in the last 24 hours it has gone from wood prices to
plane flying to motorcycle manufacturers to political discussions.
I say change away, let me know there is a new topic so I can give it the
attention it deserves.
Jack