Centech inspection camera

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 9:24:32 AM UTC-6, woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/6/2015 12:10 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> > Any of you folks have one of these>?
> >
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_m=
edium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c10=
15b
> >
> > The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing=
and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in =
from the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefu=
lly I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for t=
he coat hanger.
> >
> > Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> >
> > Larry
> >
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> While this info won't help you, since it seems your need is urgent.
> I did some research on this a few weeks ago.
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> I would avoid the handheld units.
> I found that you can get very good long units that plug into your=20
> computer for way less money than the typical handhelds.
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> __AND.. with a lot more resolution.__
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> --=20
> Jeff

I decided to pass on the HF unit when they excluded this from the 20% off c=
oupon. Jeff ... can you give me a link to the computer-based unit?

In article <[email protected]>,
Gramps' shop <[email protected]> wrote:

> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=e
> mail&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and
> wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from
> the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I
> can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat
> hanger.
>
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>
> Larry

I have the General scope that feeds wifi to a smartphone or tablet. I'm
very happy with it.

<http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72613&cat=1,43456>

djb

--
Splinters in my Fingers blog: <http://woodenwabbits.blogspot.com>

In article <[email protected]>, Meanie <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 3/6/2015 5:10 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
>
> >
> > I have the General scope that feeds wifi to a smartphone or tablet. I'm
> > very happy with it.
> >
> > <http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72613&cat=1,43456>
> >
> > djb
> >
> BTW, what's the app called?

Videoscope

--
Splinters in my Fingers blog: <http://woodenwabbits.blogspot.com>

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with
>>>>> the coupon.
>>>>
>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
>>> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..."
>>> so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
>>
>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale".
>> Note how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items".
>> You or anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
>> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>
>> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on an
>> item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak to the
>> manager.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>
>Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the very
>definition of a discount.
>If you do not understand that simple fact there is nothing more I can do
>to explain it.

Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20%
> >>>>>> off with the coupon.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That is simply not true.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
> >>>> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..." so yes,
> >>>> it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
> >>>
> >>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note how
> >>> the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or anyone
> >>> reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to buy
> >>> ANYTHING at this link (for example):
> >>>
> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=3D60
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
> >>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on
> >>> an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak
> >>> to the manager.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>
> >> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the
> >> very definition of a discount. If you do not understand that simple
> >> fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
> >
> > Crow is a dish best served cold. =3D^_^=3D
> >
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> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out when
> you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official policy, I've
> run across the occasional manager who will approve it."
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> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20% off
> coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously different. All I
> can do is quote their policy.
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Interesting 2013 thread found at the following link, but be sure to read bo=
th pages. There's a response from HF to an email from a customer asking abo=
ut their "official policy" followed by "web site tested" proof that the "of=
ficial" answer given in the email appears to be incorrect.

http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=3D58239

In my experience with 2 local HF stores, a 3rd store about 150 miles away a=
nd purchases on their website, I have never had a problem applying the 20% =
coupon to sale items unless they were specifically excluded. With the human=
s, I guess you could call allowing the 20% of "a consistent mistake" or per=
haps many unseen overrides at the register. However, when the discount is a=
pplied to sale items on the website, I have to assume it's policy. I just c=
hecked a few items on the website. In the cart, some sale items specificall=
y say that they are excluded from "certain" coupon offers, other sale items=
do not. Those that don't include the exclusion wording accepted a 25% off =
coupon code.

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 9:09:38 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/7/15 6:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional
> >>>>>>>> 20% off with the coupon.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That is simply not true.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has
> >>>>>> stated "Cannot be used with any other discount or
> >>>>>> coupon..." so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense
> >>>>>> of the word.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note
> >>>>> how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or
> >>>>> anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
> >>>>> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=3D6=
0
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
> >>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon
> >>>>> on an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to
> >>>>> speak to the manager.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> HTH
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is
> >>>> the very definition of a discount. If you do not understand
> >>>> that simple fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
> >>>
> >>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =3D^_^=3D
> >>>
> >>
> >> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out
> >> when you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official
> >> policy, I've run across the occasional manager who will approve
> >> it."
> >>
> >> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20%
> >> off coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously
> >> different. All I can do is quote their policy.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting 2013 thread found at the following link, but be sure to
> > read both pages. There's a response from HF to an email from a
> > customer asking about their "official policy" followed by "web site
> > tested" proof that the "official" answer given in the email appears
> > to be incorrect.
> >
> > http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=3D58239
> >
> > In my experience with 2 local HF stores, a 3rd store about 150 miles
> > away and purchases on their website, I have never had a problem
> > applying the 20% coupon to sale items unless they were specifically
> > excluded. With the humans, I guess you could call allowing the 20% of
> > "a consistent mistake" or perhaps many unseen overrides at the
> > register. However, when the discount is applied to sale items on the
> > website, I have to assume it's policy. I just checked a few items on
> > the website. In the cart, some sale items specifically say that they
> > are excluded from "certain" coupon offers, other sale items do not.
> > Those that don't include the exclusion wording accepted a 25% off
> > coupon code.
> >
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> It seems like that forum thread echos what is happening in here.
> The official store policy seems to be in question even by local store
> managers.

Did you miss this part:

"A store recently opened in Southaven MS, (Memphis area, 2nd store in the a=
rea). The first and older store usually applied the 20% coupon without hesi=
tating. The new store's personnel, without hesitating would say that the 20=
% would NOT apply and didn't even try. I argued on two different occasion a=
nd they got tired of arguing and decided to input the 20% just to show me! =
Well, both times the register allowed it. The third time months later, I no=
ticed a change in general policy: the cashier said, I don't think it will a=
ccept the 20% but I will try it. She input the 20% and it took it. At least=
I did not have to argue."

It doesn't sound like any managers were involved. It was nothing more than =
cashiers scanning coupons and letting the computer decide. Read on...becau=
se that has been my experience also.

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> Like I said, all I did was state their policy and that thread backs up
> the policy I stated.
> It goes on to support what I also wrote, that some managers will allow
> the coupon for "on-sale" items and others won't.
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> You two guys are running into managers who will.
> I'm running into about 50/50, those who do and those who don't.

I don't recall ever saying I was dealing with managers.=20

The kid behind the counter with the spike in his nose isn't a manager at my=
local store. He's just a nice kid who scans coupons and lets the computer =
tell him what is allowed and what isn't. I've never had to have a manager a=
pprove anything related to a 20% off coupon on a non-excluded sale item.

I'm pretty sure the website doesn't have a manager approving coupon codes e=
ither. =20

Try this...

Expand the text for the first coupon here, which includes the "official pol=
icy" about "Cannot be used with other discount,..."

http://www.retailmenot.com/view/harborfreight.com?c=3D6723610

Copy the Coupon Code or just use this: 21741290

Add this currently on-sale item to your cart and paste that code into the C=
oupon Code field:

http://www.harborfreight.com/multipositional-magnetic-base-with-fine-adjust=
ment-5645.html

The discount will be applied to the on-sale item. Unless there is a manager=
lurking inside my computer, I have a feeling that "sale" does not fit the =
very definition of "discount" in the HF world.

The spiked nose kid at the store "let" me use the coupon, the website will =
let me use a coupon code. No manager, no overrides, just a bunch of compute=
rs processing orders under the store's official policy.

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> The OP seems to have run into one who won't allow it.
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On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

>Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the very
>definition of a discount.
>If you do not understand that simple fact there is nothing more I can do
>to explain it.

I'll try typing slower this time:
In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale".

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 2:31:09 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/6/15 12:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:53:13 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 3/6/15 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> >>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> >>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I
> >>> need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful
> >>> in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small
> >>> holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
> >>>
> >>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Larry
> >>>
> >>
> >> I got this one from Ridgid when it was on sale for 70 or 80
> >> bucks...
> >> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-Micro-CA25-Inspection-Camera-40043/203258908>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> I can honestly say it has paid for itself several times over. It helped
> >> me find an abandoned 220v electric line in the wall so I knew
> >> exactly where to punch a hole to remove it. It also helped me find
> >> the source of a clog in our main sewer line which was a nail that
> >> had wedged itself across the pipe. The camera costs less than a
> >> plumber would've charged just to show up to the house.
> >>
> >> Someone else mentioned needing a light with the HF camera. That
> >> would kill the deal for me. The Ridgid has LEDs in the camera head
> >> and no external light source is needed.
> >
> > I didn't actually say (or mean to imply) you *needed* an external
> > light with the HF camera. I said that I was wondering about needing a
> > 3rd hole for a light - before I even checked the HF site. Then I
> > checked the HF reviews at the link offered by Gramps and read that
> > while the HF device does indeed have LED's in the camera head, they
> > don't seem to be adequate in really dark spaces.
> >
> > In other words, I didn't mean to imply that the HF device has *no*
> > LED's like some cameras do. Now, I did use the words "lack of
> > lighting" in my response, but I meant "lack of *adequate* lighting",
> > not no lighting at all.
> >
> > I recognize the reason for the misunderstanding.
> >
> >>
> >> The Ridgid also has a hook and magnet that attach to the camera
> >> head for retrieving items using the camera snake itself. So you
> >> don't need to fish another wire in through a second hole. I think
> >> the HF model has that too, but you better make sure it has
> >> integrated lights.
> >>
> >
> > It does have integrated LED's, they just may not be adequate for the
> > application - per the reviews.
> >
>
> Another plus for the Ridgid model is that the lights have adjustable
> brightness.
> Sometimes you need to turn them down if there is something reflective in
> its path that will cause glare. Other times, obviously, you'd like more
> light.
>
> The one thing that intrigued me about the HF model was that the snake
> was removable from the base unit. This made me think there might be
> longer snakes available to hook on for longer reaches. I don't know if
> that's the case, although I doubt it.
>
>

And therein lies both the beauty and the quandary of HF tools: $69 for the low-end HF tool, currently required for a one-off application vs. $99 for the probably better Rigid tool.

Will Gramps ever use it again, making the extra features worth the $30/43% higher price, or will he just get the darn drawer open and stick the camera on a shelf to collect dust?

Damn you, Harbor Freight, why must you tempt us so?

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Gramps' shop wrote:
> > Any of you folks have one of these>?
> >
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_m=
edium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c10=
15b
> >
> > The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> > futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
> > to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
> > troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
> > one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
> >
> > Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> >
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> Hey Larry - have you tried a coat hanger or any other sort of device to m=
ove=20
> things around from the front of the drawer? This is not an uncommon=20
> occurance in any type of pull out drawer and does not require the extreme=
=20
> effort of boring holes in from the back and the use of inspection cameras=
.
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> --=20
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> -Mike-
> [email protected]

Hi, Mike ...

Can't get past the lip of the drawer and there are dust barriers between ea=
ch drawer. I've wiggled and jiggled and cursed. The only thing I haven't =
tried is tipping it upside down. The only way in is to drill a hole throug=
h the back casing and then a hole through the back of the drawer. Nutz!

Larry

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 3:16:05 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> > On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrot=
e:
> >
> >> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with
> >>>> the coupon.
> >>>
> >>> That is simply not true.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
> >> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..."
> >> so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
> >
> > In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale".
> > Note how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items".
> > You or anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
> > buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
> >
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=3D60
> >
> > The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
> > that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on an
> > item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak to the
> > manager.
> >
> > HTH
> >
>=20
> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the very=
=20
> definition of a discount.
> If you do not understand that simple fact there is nothing more I can do=
=20
> to explain it.
>=20

Except, as Spalted Walt noted, in HF's world. Allow me to "explain it" with=
a real life example from a recent receipt showing the 20% coupon applied t=
o a discounted item.

5645 MAGNETIC BASE 14.99
Advertised Savings: -2.00
Adjusted Price: 12.99
20.0% Off -2.60
New Price: 10.39
Customer Coupon 31677758

I couldn't possibly recount all of the "sale item" purchases I have made an=
d still had the 20% coupon applied. No, they won't allow the 20% off on an =
item that you used another *coupon* for, but for those marked with an "As A=
dvertised" sale price, the 20% coupon has always been honored.

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 12:24:36 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper at dot wrote:

> That reminds me of something else...
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> I had a flashlight next to the back door of the garage. Kinda nice to=20
> get in and get something, but rather inconvenient as well, especially if=
=20
> I was just passing through on a cold night.
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My daughter works at a college and has a LEED certified apartment in the do=
rms.

I was reading the manual for her motion sensor light switches and found tha=
t they have a Walk Through" feature.

From the NeoSwitch manual...

"Walk-Through feature maximizes energy savings by not leaving the lights ON=
after a momentary occupancy. The sensor will switch the lights ON when it =
detects a person entering the area. If the sensor does not continue to dete=
ct motion 20 seconds following the initial activation, it will automaticall=
y go to a shorter 2 minute Time Delay."

In other words, Walk-Through overrides the pre-set 15 minute no-motion time=
delay. Neat feature.

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> We have a quite a number of the free HF flashlights lying around the
> house.
>
> We like to keep one near the thermostat so we can read/set it in the
> dark, there's usually one by the coffee maker because the LED clock is
> hard to read while setting, etc. Problem is, I keep grabbing them for
> other uses, forgetting to put them back, and then SWMBO gets pissed at
> me.
>
> Just before Christmas I picked up another free one, took it out of the
> package, used White-Out to "engrave" SWMBO's name on the flashlight
> and put it back in the package. I then wrapped it in a fancy box,
> added a bow and put it under the tree.
>
> SWMBO now keeps it on her desk and I make sure I never touch it. She
> always has a flashlight, even when I forget to put back the other
> ones. She still reminds when I forget to put one back, but at least
> she always knows where she can find one if needed.
>
> I'm such a giver.
>

I downloaded the flashlight app for my phone. For Windows Phone, it's
one of the most useful apps because it doesn't just give you a
flashlight, but a battery meter on the lock screen. Sure has come in
handy.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> I've had flashlight apps in my phones for as long as they gave been
> available, and yes they are very convenient. However, having small
> flashlights strategically placed where required is even more
> convenient.
>
> Even if I have my phone with me when setting the stat or making coffee
> (which is not always the case) a single button to turn on a real
> flashlight is easier than the minimum 4 steps it takes to turn on the
> phone's flashlight.
>
> I don't even have to look at the flashlight to turn it on, not so with
> the app.

That reminds me of something else...

I had a flashlight next to the back door of the garage. Kinda nice to
get in and get something, but rather inconvenient as well, especially if
I was just passing through on a cold night.

I saw a post on alt.home.repair (I believe it was by DadiOH, if it was,
thanks!) that suggested installing a motion detector light inside. Now I
open the back door, step in and the motion light turns on. I can then
either quickly get what I want, or easily walk to the main door and turn
on the lights. With the Dusk-to-dawn sensor, it doesn't turn back on
after the lights are on.

Saved me a lot of trouble pulling wire to both doors, adding a light
somewhere or rewiring the garage lights to run off a 3-way switch.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:


> Be very careful with those flashlight apps!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q8xz8xKEFvU
>
> http://www.snoopwall.com/threat-reports-10-01-2014/
>
> https://blogs.mcafee.com/consumer/android-flashlight-app-steals-data
>
>

I checked permissions before I installed it. The only permission
requested was use of the camera (which is required to access the flash).

It is good to be wary and always check the requested permissions before
you install. Avoid any app that asks for permissions that can't be
explained (why would a flashlight app need the "phone dialer"*
permission?).

*"Phone dialer" usually indicates the app has ads. One ad network
Windows Phone apps use requires this permission.

Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

On 03/07/2015 06:28 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Unquestionably Confused wrote:
>
>> After I posted that the OP said he had tried similar with a coat
>> hanger and abandoned the effort. Still, there's gotta be enough of a
>> reveal on that drawer front to get something like a thin knife blade
>> into it. The ruler made the most sense to me simply because I have
>> one sitting in the computer desk, it's strong and thinner than a
>> knife blade, and, more importantly, I've solved this very problem
>> with it on numerous occasions. The OP isn't the only one who harbors
>> a SWMBO who can overload a drawer<g>.
>>
>
> It's a common occurance in this household...
>

Gives me a chance to practice my golf language.


--
"Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance, and the
gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:53:13 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/6/15 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> > Any of you folks have one of these>?
> >
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_m=
edium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c10=
15b
> >
> >
> >
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> > futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I
> > need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
> > troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
> > one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
> >
> > Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> >
> > Larry
> >
>=20
> I got this one from Ridgid when it was on sale for 70 or 80 bucks...
> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-Micro-CA25-Inspection-Camera-40043/203=
258908>
>=20
> I can honestly say it has paid for itself several times over. It helped
> me find an abandoned 220v electric line in the wall so I knew exactly
> where to punch a hole to remove it. It also helped me find the source
> of a clog in our main sewer line which was a nail that had wedged itself
> across the pipe. The camera costs less than a plumber would've charged
> just to show up to the house.
>=20
> Someone else mentioned needing a light with the HF camera. That would
> kill the deal for me. The Ridgid has LEDs in the camera head and no
> external light source is needed.

I didn't actually say (or mean to imply) you *needed* an external light wit=
h the HF camera. I said that I was wondering about needing a 3rd hole for a=
light - before I even checked the HF site. Then I checked the HF reviews a=
t the link offered by Gramps and read that while the HF device does indeed =
have LED's in the camera head, they don't seem to be adequate in really dar=
k spaces.

In other words, I didn't mean to imply that the HF device has *no* LED's li=
ke some cameras do. Now, I did use the words "lack of lighting" in my respo=
nse, but I meant "lack of *adequate* lighting", not no lighting at all.

I recognize the reason for the misunderstanding.

>=20
> The Ridgid also has a hook and magnet that attach to the camera head for
> retrieving items using the camera snake itself. So you don't need to
> fish another wire in through a second hole. I think the HF model has
> that too, but you better make sure it has integrated lights.
>=20

It does have integrated LED's, they just may not be adequate for the applic=
ation - per the reviews.

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

>It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with the
>coupon.

That is simply not true.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 3:17:59 PM UTC-5, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:10:01 -0800 (PST), "Gramps' shop"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>=20
> >Any of you folks have one of these>?
> >
> >http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_me=
dium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c101=
5b
> >
> >The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing =
and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in f=
rom the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopeful=
ly I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for th=
e coat hanger.
> >
> >Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> >
> >Larry
>=20
> I have no experience with the item you're considering, but if you DO
> decide to buy it, you can save $14:
> http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3D3199498&d=3D14=
20968909
>=20
> Might as well pick up one of these wile you're there:
>=20
> http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3D3221282&d=3D14=
22088177
>=20
> http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3D3169410&d=3D14=
19332748

We have a quite a number of the free HF flashlights lying around the house.

We like to keep one near the thermostat so we can read/set it in the dark, =
there's usually one by the coffee maker because the LED clock is hard to re=
ad while setting, etc. Problem is, I keep grabbing them for other uses, for=
getting to put them back, and then SWMBO gets pissed at me.

Just before Christmas I picked up another free one, took it out of the pack=
age, used White-Out to "engrave" SWMBO's name on the flashlight and put it =
back in the package. I then wrapped it in a fancy box, added a bow and put =
it under the tree.

SWMBO now keeps it on her desk and I make sure I never touch it. She always=
has a flashlight, even when I forget to put back the other ones. She still=
reminds when I forget to put one back, but at least she always knows where=
she can find one if needed.

I'm such a giver.

On 3/6/2015 11:53 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Gramps' shop wrote:
>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>
>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
>> to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
>> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
>> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>
>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>
>
> Hey Larry - have you tried a coat hanger or any other sort of device to move
> things around from the front of the drawer? This is not an uncommon
> occurance in any type of pull out drawer and does not require the extreme
> effort of boring holes in from the back and the use of inspection cameras.

Reading this, I think that I might be tempted to look around and see if
I could locate my 18" stainless steel flat ruler and try sliding it side
to side as I pulled it slowly forward...

On 3/7/2015 10:49 AM, Meanie wrote:
> On 3/7/2015 10:24 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 3/6/2015 12:10 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
>>> to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
>>> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
>>> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>>
>>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> While this info won't help you, since it seems your need is urgent.
>> I did some research on this a few weeks ago.
>>
>> I would avoid the handheld units.
>> I found that you can get very good long units that plug into your
>> computer for way less money than the typical handhelds.
>>
>> __AND.. with a lot more resolution.__
>>
>>
>>
> can you name a few or provide a few sites?

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ausb%20inspection%20camera

http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=usb+inspection+camera&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&rmvSB=true

--
Jeff

On 3/6/2015 12:10 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>
> Larry
>

While this info won't help you, since it seems your need is urgent.
I did some research on this a few weeks ago.

I would avoid the handheld units.
I found that you can get very good long units that plug into your
computer for way less money than the typical handhelds.

__AND.. with a lot more resolution.__



--
Jeff

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 10:43:20 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/7/15 8:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 9:09:38 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 3/7/15 6:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
> >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional
> >>>>>>>>>> 20% off with the coupon.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> That is simply not true.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has
> >>>>>>>> stated "Cannot be used with any other discount or
> >>>>>>>> coupon..." so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense
> >>>>>>>> of the word.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note
> >>>>>>> how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or
> >>>>>>> anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
> >>>>>>> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=
=3D60
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
> >>>>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon
> >>>>>>> on an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to
> >>>>>>> speak to the manager.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> HTH
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is
> >>>>>> the very definition of a discount. If you do not understand
> >>>>>> that simple fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =3D^_^=3D
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out
> >>>> when you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official
> >>>> policy, I've run across the occasional manager who will approve
> >>>> it."
> >>>>
> >>>> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20%
> >>>> off coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously
> >>>> different. All I can do is quote their policy.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Interesting 2013 thread found at the following link, but be sure to
> >>> read both pages. There's a response from HF to an email from a
> >>> customer asking about their "official policy" followed by "web site
> >>> tested" proof that the "official" answer given in the email appears
> >>> to be incorrect.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=3D58239
> >>>
> >>> In my experience with 2 local HF stores, a 3rd store about 150 miles
> >>> away and purchases on their website, I have never had a problem
> >>> applying the 20% coupon to sale items unless they were specifically
> >>> excluded. With the humans, I guess you could call allowing the 20% of
> >>> "a consistent mistake" or perhaps many unseen overrides at the
> >>> register. However, when the discount is applied to sale items on the
> >>> website, I have to assume it's policy. I just checked a few items on
> >>> the website. In the cart, some sale items specifically say that they
> >>> are excluded from "certain" coupon offers, other sale items do not.
> >>> Those that don't include the exclusion wording accepted a 25% off
> >>> coupon code.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It seems like that forum thread echos what is happening in here.
> >> The official store policy seems to be in question even by local store
> >> managers.
> >
> > Did you miss this part:
> >
> > "A store recently opened in Southaven MS, (Memphis area, 2nd store in t=
he area). The first and older store usually applied the 20% coupon without =
hesitating. The new store's personnel, without hesitating would say that th=
e 20% would NOT apply and didn't even try. I argued on two different occasi=
on and they got tired of arguing and decided to input the 20% just to show =
me! Well, both times the register allowed it. The third time months later, =
I noticed a change in general policy: the cashier said, I don't think it wi=
ll accept the 20% but I will try it. She input the 20% and it took it. At l=
east I did not have to argue."
> >
> > It doesn't sound like any managers were involved. It was nothing more t=
han cashiers scanning coupons and letting the computer decide. Read on...b=
ecause that has been my experience also.
> >
> >>
> >> Like I said, all I did was state their policy and that thread backs up
> >> the policy I stated.
> >> It goes on to support what I also wrote, that some managers will allow
> >> the coupon for "on-sale" items and others won't.
> >>
> >> You two guys are running into managers who will.
> >> I'm running into about 50/50, those who do and those who don't.
> >
> > I don't recall ever saying I was dealing with managers.
> >
> > The kid behind the counter with the spike in his nose isn't a manager a=
t my local store. He's just a nice kid who scans coupons and lets the compu=
ter tell him what is allowed and what isn't. I've never had to have a manag=
er approve anything related to a 20% off coupon on a non-excluded sale item=
.
> >
> > I'm pretty sure the website doesn't have a manager approving coupon cod=
es either.
> >
> > Try this...
> >
> > Expand the text for the first coupon here, which includes the "official=
policy" about "Cannot be used with other discount,..."
> >
> > http://www.retailmenot.com/view/harborfreight.com?c=3D6723610
> >
> > Copy the Coupon Code or just use this: 21741290
> >
> > Add this currently on-sale item to your cart and paste that code into t=
he Coupon Code field:
> >
> > http://www.harborfreight.com/multipositional-magnetic-base-with-fine-ad=
justment-5645.html
> >
> > The discount will be applied to the on-sale item. Unless there is a man=
ager lurking inside my computer, I have a feeling that "sale" does not fit =
the very definition of "discount" in the HF world.
> >
> > The spiked nose kid at the store "let" me use the coupon, the website w=
ill let me use a coupon code. No manager, no overrides, just a bunch of com=
puters processing orders under the store's official policy.
> >
> >>
> >> The OP seems to have run into one who won't allow it.
> >>
> >
>=20
> We're running in circles, as is common in here.
> Enjoy your coupons and I'm glad you have no trouble using them.
>=20

There's no circle...there's 2 straight lines:

Your line keeps ending up with managers sometimes approving discounts, some=
times not.

My line gets the discounts without any managers.

I like my line better. It's easier and cheaper.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 10:39:36 PM UTC-5, Gramps' shop wrote:
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 11:54:48 AM UTC-6, Mike Marlow wrote:
> > Gramps' shop wrote:
> > > Any of you folks have one of these>?
> > >
> > > http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm=
_medium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c=
1015b
> > >
> > > The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> > > futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
> > > to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
> > > troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
> > > one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
> > >
> > > Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> > >
> >=20
> > Hey Larry - have you tried a coat hanger or any other sort of device to=
move=20
> > things around from the front of the drawer? This is not an uncommon=20
> > occurance in any type of pull out drawer and does not require the extre=
me=20
> > effort of boring holes in from the back and the use of inspection camer=
as.
> >=20
> > --=20
> >=20
> > -Mike-
> > [email protected]
>=20
> Hi, Mike ...
>=20
> Can't get past the lip of the drawer and there are dust barriers between =
each drawer. I've wiggled and jiggled and cursed. The only thing I haven'=
t tried is tipping it upside down. The only way in is to drill a hole thro=
ugh the back casing and then a hole through the back of the drawer. Nutz!
>=20
> Larry

Why not empty the rest of the cabinet and then tilt it, shake it, jostle it=
to move the stuff in the drawer around?

On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 09:37:18 -0800 (PST), "Gramps' shop"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I decided to pass on the HF unit when they excluded this from the 20% off coupon.

What? How exactly did you determine the inspection camera is "excluded
from the 20% off coupon"?

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:57:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20%
>>>>>>> off with the coupon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
>>>>> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..." so yes,
>>>>> it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
>>>>
>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note how
>>>> the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or anyone
>>>> reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to buy
>>>> ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on
>>>> an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak
>>>> to the manager.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>
>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the
>>> very definition of a discount. If you do not understand that simple
>>> fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
>>
>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=
>>
>
>If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out when
>you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official policy, I've
>run across the occasional manager who will approve it."
>
>In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20% off
>coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously different. All I
>can do is quote their policy.

Apology accepted.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:10:03 PM UTC-5, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>=20
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_med=
ium=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c1015=
b
>=20
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing a=
nd wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in fr=
om the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefull=
y I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the=
coat hanger.
>=20
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>=20
> Larry

I don't have one, but the first thing that came to mind was the need for a =
3rd hole: for light. A quick check of the reviews at the HF site seems to s=
upport my concern. 3 out of the 5 comments include cons related to poor ima=
ges bue to due lack of lighting. I guess you could say it's 3 out 4 since t=
he 5th comment says that the user couldn't even get his running.

http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_mediu=
m=3Demail&utm_campaign=3D1015b&utm_source=3D1021&cid=3DmEmail_s1021_c1015b

Might want to get the HD system to see a thin jam item. Have a demo -
see if that can be done. Doubt it but it is maybe important.
Likely a slice of vernier that has split and providing the jam.

Martin

On 3/6/2015 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>
> Larry
>

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 2:58:08 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 3/6/15 1:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 2:31:09 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> >> On 3/6/15 12:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:53:13 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
> >>>> On 3/6/15 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> >>>>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> >>>>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the
> >>>>> jam. I need to drill in from the back and think a scope will
> >>>>> be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this
> >>>>> with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the
> >>>>> coat hanger.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Larry
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I got this one from Ridgid when it was on sale for 70 or 80
> >>>> bucks...
> >>>> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-Micro-CA25-Inspection-Camera-40043/203258908>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> I can honestly say it has paid for itself several times over. It helped
> >>>> me find an abandoned 220v electric line in the wall so I knew
> >>>> exactly where to punch a hole to remove it. It also helped me
> >>>> find the source of a clog in our main sewer line which was a
> >>>> nail that had wedged itself across the pipe. The camera costs
> >>>> less than a plumber would've charged just to show up to the
> >>>> house.
> >>>>
> >>>> Someone else mentioned needing a light with the HF camera. That
> >>>> would kill the deal for me. The Ridgid has LEDs in the camera
> >>>> head and no external light source is needed.
> >>>
> >>> I didn't actually say (or mean to imply) you *needed* an external
> >>> light with the HF camera. I said that I was wondering about
> >>> needing a 3rd hole for a light - before I even checked the HF
> >>> site. Then I checked the HF reviews at the link offered by Gramps
> >>> and read that while the HF device does indeed have LED's in the
> >>> camera head, they don't seem to be adequate in really dark
> >>> spaces.
> >>>
> >>> In other words, I didn't mean to imply that the HF device has
> >>> *no* LED's like some cameras do. Now, I did use the words "lack
> >>> of lighting" in my response, but I meant "lack of *adequate*
> >>> lighting", not no lighting at all.
> >>>
> >>> I recognize the reason for the misunderstanding.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The Ridgid also has a hook and magnet that attach to the camera
> >>>> head for retrieving items using the camera snake itself. So you
> >>>> don't need to fish another wire in through a second hole. I
> >>>> think the HF model has that too, but you better make sure it
> >>>> has integrated lights.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It does have integrated LED's, they just may not be adequate for
> >>> the application - per the reviews.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Another plus for the Ridgid model is that the lights have
> >> adjustable brightness. Sometimes you need to turn them down if
> >> there is something reflective in its path that will cause glare.
> >> Other times, obviously, you'd like more light.
> >>
> >> The one thing that intrigued me about the HF model was that the
> >> snake was removable from the base unit. This made me think there
> >> might be longer snakes available to hook on for longer reaches. I
> >> don't know if that's the case, although I doubt it.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > And therein lies both the beauty and the quandary of HF tools: $69
> > for the low-end HF tool, currently required for a one-off
> > application vs. $99 for the probably better Rigid tool.
> >
> > Will Gramps ever use it again, making the extra features worth the
> > $30/43% higher price, or will he just get the darn drawer open and
> > stick the camera on a shelf to collect dust?
> >
> > Damn you, Harbor Freight, why must you tempt us so?
> >
>
> I just looked at the manual for the HF model and it shows dimming
> buttons for the light.
> I have half a mind to go buy the thing and do a side-by-side road test
> of them both and put it on youtube.
>
>

Hmmmm, dimmable lights on a unit where the reviews say the lights on the unit aren't bright enough.

"Hey, it's dark in here, turn down the lights!" ;-)

If one was of the mind to take advantage the liberal return policies of just about all stores these days, one might consider buying the best of the best, using it once and then taking it back.

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 12:24:36 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper at dot wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:=20
>=20
> >=20
> > I've had flashlight apps in my phones for as long as they gave been
> > available, and yes they are very convenient. However, having small
> > flashlights strategically placed where required is even more
> > convenient.=20
> >=20
> > Even if I have my phone with me when setting the stat or making coffee
> > (which is not always the case) a single button to turn on a real
> > flashlight is easier than the minimum 4 steps it takes to turn on the
> > phone's flashlight.=20
> >=20
> > I don't even have to look at the flashlight to turn it on, not so with
> > the app.=20
>=20
> That reminds me of something else...
>=20
> I had a flashlight next to the back door of the garage. Kinda nice to=20
> get in and get something, but rather inconvenient as well, especially if=
=20
> I was just passing through on a cold night.
>=20
> I saw a post on alt.home.repair (I believe it was by DadiOH, if it was,=
=20
> thanks!) that suggested installing a motion detector light inside. Now I=
=20
> open the back door, step in and the motion light turns on. I can then=20
> either quickly get what I want, or easily walk to the main door and turn=
=20
> on the lights. With the Dusk-to-dawn sensor, it doesn't turn back on=20
> after the lights are on.
>=20
> Saved me a lot of trouble pulling wire to both doors, adding a light=20
> somewhere or rewiring the garage lights to run off a 3-way switch.
>=20
> Puckdropper
> --=20
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.



On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 12:24:36 AM UTC-5, Puckdropper at dot wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:=20
>=20
> >=20
> > I've had flashlight apps in my phones for as long as they gave been
> > available, and yes they are very convenient. However, having small
> > flashlights strategically placed where required is even more
> > convenient.=20
> >=20
> > Even if I have my phone with me when setting the stat or making coffee
> > (which is not always the case) a single button to turn on a real
> > flashlight is easier than the minimum 4 steps it takes to turn on the
> > phone's flashlight.=20
> >=20
> > I don't even have to look at the flashlight to turn it on, not so with
> > the app.=20
>=20
> That reminds me of something else...
>=20
> I had a flashlight next to the back door of the garage. Kinda nice to=20
> get in and get something, but rather inconvenient as well, especially if=
=20
> I was just passing through on a cold night.
>=20
> I saw a post on alt.home.repair (I believe it was by DadiOH, if it was,=
=20
> thanks!) that suggested installing a motion detector light inside. Now I=
=20
> open the back door, step in and the motion light turns on. I can then=20
> either quickly get what I want, or easily walk to the main door and turn=
=20
> on the lights. With the Dusk-to-dawn sensor, it doesn't turn back on=20
> after the lights are on.
>=20
> Saved me a lot of trouble pulling wire to both doors, adding a light=20
> somewhere or rewiring the garage lights to run off a 3-way switch.
>=20
> Puckdropper
> --=20
> Make it to fit, don't make it fit.

My basement shop has a door to the backyard. I have an X10 motion sensor ne=
xt to the door door that turns on a light in my main basement. Similar to y=
our situation, it saved me from having to rewired the switch run for the li=
ghts to be a 3-way. While adding a 3-way is typically not all that difficul=
t, the basement lights are part of an Edison circuit and the triple gang sw=
itch box in the kitchen is already a mess. A single fixture on a motion det=
ector is all I need for just enough light to be safe.

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 5:11:50 PM UTC-5, Puckdropper at dot wrote:
> DerbyDad03 <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > We have a quite a number of the free HF flashlights lying around the
> > house.
> >
> > We like to keep one near the thermostat so we can read/set it in the
> > dark, there's usually one by the coffee maker because the LED clock is
> > hard to read while setting, etc. Problem is, I keep grabbing them for
> > other uses, forgetting to put them back, and then SWMBO gets pissed at
> > me.
> >
> > Just before Christmas I picked up another free one, took it out of the
> > package, used White-Out to "engrave" SWMBO's name on the flashlight
> > and put it back in the package. I then wrapped it in a fancy box,
> > added a bow and put it under the tree.
> >
> > SWMBO now keeps it on her desk and I make sure I never touch it. She
> > always has a flashlight, even when I forget to put back the other
> > ones. She still reminds when I forget to put one back, but at least
> > she always knows where she can find one if needed.
> >
> > I'm such a giver.
> >
>
> I downloaded the flashlight app for my phone. For Windows Phone, it's
> one of the most useful apps because it doesn't just give you a
> flashlight, but a battery meter on the lock screen. Sure has come in
> handy.
>

I've had flashlight apps in my phones for as long as they gave been available, and yes they are very convenient. However, having small flashlights strategically placed where required is even more convenient.

Even if I have my phone with me when setting the stat or making coffee (which is not always the case) a single button to turn on a real flashlight is easier than the minimum 4 steps it takes to turn on the phone's flashlight.

I don't even have to look at the flashlight to turn it on, not so with the app.

On 3/6/15 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
>
>
The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I
> need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>
> Larry
>

I got this one from Ridgid when it was on sale for 70 or 80 bucks...
<http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-Micro-CA25-Inspection-Camera-40043/203258908>

I can honestly say it has paid for itself several times over. It helped
me find an abandoned 220v electric line in the wall so I knew exactly
where to punch a hole to remove it. It also helped me find the source
of a clog in our main sewer line which was a nail that had wedged itself
across the pipe. The camera costs less than a plumber would've charged
just to show up to the house.

Someone else mentioned needing a light with the HF camera. That would
kill the deal for me. The Ridgid has LEDs in the camera head and no
external light source is needed.

The Ridgid also has a hook and magnet that attach to the camera head for
retrieving items using the camera snake itself. So you don't need to
fish another wire in through a second hole. I think the HF model has
that too, but you better make sure it has integrated lights.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
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[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

Gramps' shop wrote:
> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
> to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>

Hey Larry - have you tried a coat hanger or any other sort of device to move
things around from the front of the drawer? This is not an uncommon
occurance in any type of pull out drawer and does not require the extreme
effort of boring holes in from the back and the use of inspection cameras.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 3/6/2015 12:37 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:10:03 PM UTC-5, Gramps' shop wrote:
>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>
>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>
>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>
>> Larry
>
> I don't have one, but the first thing that came to mind was the need for a 3rd hole: for light. A quick check of the reviews at the HF site seems to support my concern. 3 out of the 5 comments include cons related to poor images bue to due lack of lighting. I guess you could say it's 3 out 4 since the 5th comment says that the user couldn't even get his running.
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
Look at it another way. It is a great toy, and since your bride is the
one who created the problem she should not object for the necessary
"Tools" to correct the problem.

On 3/6/15 12:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:53:13 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/6/15 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I
>>> need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful
>>> in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small
>>> holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>>
>>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>>
>>
>> I got this one from Ridgid when it was on sale for 70 or 80
>> bucks...
>> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-Micro-CA25-Inspection-Camera-40043/203258908>
>>
>>
>>
I can honestly say it has paid for itself several times over. It helped
>> me find an abandoned 220v electric line in the wall so I knew
>> exactly where to punch a hole to remove it. It also helped me find
>> the source of a clog in our main sewer line which was a nail that
>> had wedged itself across the pipe. The camera costs less than a
>> plumber would've charged just to show up to the house.
>>
>> Someone else mentioned needing a light with the HF camera. That
>> would kill the deal for me. The Ridgid has LEDs in the camera head
>> and no external light source is needed.
>
> I didn't actually say (or mean to imply) you *needed* an external
> light with the HF camera. I said that I was wondering about needing a
> 3rd hole for a light - before I even checked the HF site. Then I
> checked the HF reviews at the link offered by Gramps and read that
> while the HF device does indeed have LED's in the camera head, they
> don't seem to be adequate in really dark spaces.
>
> In other words, I didn't mean to imply that the HF device has *no*
> LED's like some cameras do. Now, I did use the words "lack of
> lighting" in my response, but I meant "lack of *adequate* lighting",
> not no lighting at all.
>
> I recognize the reason for the misunderstanding.
>
>>
>> The Ridgid also has a hook and magnet that attach to the camera
>> head for retrieving items using the camera snake itself. So you
>> don't need to fish another wire in through a second hole. I think
>> the HF model has that too, but you better make sure it has
>> integrated lights.
>>
>
> It does have integrated LED's, they just may not be adequate for the
> application - per the reviews.
>

Another plus for the Ridgid model is that the lights have adjustable
brightness.
Sometimes you need to turn them down if there is something reflective in
its path that will cause glare. Other times, obviously, you'd like more
light.

The one thing that intrigued me about the HF model was that the snake
was removable from the base unit. This made me think there might be
longer snakes available to hook on for longer reaches. I don't know if
that's the case, although I doubt it.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/6/15 1:51 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 2:31:09 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/6/15 12:39 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 12:53:13 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/6/15 11:10 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>>>>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the
>>>>> jam. I need to drill in from the back and think a scope will
>>>>> be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this
>>>>> with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the
>>>>> coat hanger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got this one from Ridgid when it was on sale for 70 or 80
>>>> bucks...
>>>> <http://www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-Micro-CA25-Inspection-Camera-40043/203258908>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
I can honestly say it has paid for itself several times over. It helped
>>>> me find an abandoned 220v electric line in the wall so I knew
>>>> exactly where to punch a hole to remove it. It also helped me
>>>> find the source of a clog in our main sewer line which was a
>>>> nail that had wedged itself across the pipe. The camera costs
>>>> less than a plumber would've charged just to show up to the
>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>> Someone else mentioned needing a light with the HF camera. That
>>>> would kill the deal for me. The Ridgid has LEDs in the camera
>>>> head and no external light source is needed.
>>>
>>> I didn't actually say (or mean to imply) you *needed* an external
>>> light with the HF camera. I said that I was wondering about
>>> needing a 3rd hole for a light - before I even checked the HF
>>> site. Then I checked the HF reviews at the link offered by Gramps
>>> and read that while the HF device does indeed have LED's in the
>>> camera head, they don't seem to be adequate in really dark
>>> spaces.
>>>
>>> In other words, I didn't mean to imply that the HF device has
>>> *no* LED's like some cameras do. Now, I did use the words "lack
>>> of lighting" in my response, but I meant "lack of *adequate*
>>> lighting", not no lighting at all.
>>>
>>> I recognize the reason for the misunderstanding.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Ridgid also has a hook and magnet that attach to the camera
>>>> head for retrieving items using the camera snake itself. So you
>>>> don't need to fish another wire in through a second hole. I
>>>> think the HF model has that too, but you better make sure it
>>>> has integrated lights.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It does have integrated LED's, they just may not be adequate for
>>> the application - per the reviews.
>>>
>>
>> Another plus for the Ridgid model is that the lights have
>> adjustable brightness. Sometimes you need to turn them down if
>> there is something reflective in its path that will cause glare.
>> Other times, obviously, you'd like more light.
>>
>> The one thing that intrigued me about the HF model was that the
>> snake was removable from the base unit. This made me think there
>> might be longer snakes available to hook on for longer reaches. I
>> don't know if that's the case, although I doubt it.
>>
>>
>
> And therein lies both the beauty and the quandary of HF tools: $69
> for the low-end HF tool, currently required for a one-off
> application vs. $99 for the probably better Rigid tool.
>
> Will Gramps ever use it again, making the extra features worth the
> $30/43% higher price, or will he just get the darn drawer open and
> stick the camera on a shelf to collect dust?
>
> Damn you, Harbor Freight, why must you tempt us so?
>

I just looked at the manual for the HF model and it shows dimming
buttons for the light.
I have half a mind to go buy the thing and do a side-by-side road test
of them both and put it on youtube.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

"Gramps' shop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
Any of you folks have one of these>?

http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b

The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and
wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from
the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I
can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat
hanger.

Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.

Larry

OK. You're going to hate me for this because you may not need another toy,
er, tool. But have you tried a slim jim to free that soup spoon holding the
drawer shut?

Steve

On 3/6/15 4:10 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Gramps' shop <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=e
>> mail&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>
>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and
>> wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from
>> the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I
>> can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat
>> hanger.
>>
>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>
>> Larry
>
> I have the General scope that feeds wifi to a smartphone or tablet. I'm
> very happy with it.
>
> <http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72613&cat=1,43456>
>
> djb
>

NICE!! I really could've use that wifi feature.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/6/2015 5:10 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> Gramps' shop <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=e
>> mail&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>
>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and
>> wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from
>> the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I
>> can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat
>> hanger.
>>
>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>
>> Larry
>
> I have the General scope that feeds wifi to a smartphone or tablet. I'm
> very happy with it.
>
> <http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72613&cat=1,43456>
>
> djb
>
I like that and I ordered it.

Using it on the iPhone/iPad is what sold me the most.

On 3/6/2015 5:10 PM, Dave Balderstone wrote:

>
> I have the General scope that feeds wifi to a smartphone or tablet. I'm
> very happy with it.
>
> <http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72613&cat=1,43456>
>
> djb
>
BTW, what's the app called?

Unquestionably Confused wrote:
> On 3/6/2015 11:53 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
>> Gramps' shop wrote:
>>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>>
>>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I
>>> need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
>>> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
>>> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>>
>>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>>
>>
>> Hey Larry - have you tried a coat hanger or any other sort of device
>> to move things around from the front of the drawer? This is not an
>> uncommon occurance in any type of pull out drawer and does not
>> require the extreme effort of boring holes in from the back and the
>> use of inspection cameras.
>
> Reading this, I think that I might be tempted to look around and see
> if I could locate my 18" stainless steel flat ruler and try sliding
> it side to side as I pulled it slowly forward...

Might work - if you can open the drawer just a little bit.

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

Unquestionably Confused wrote:

> After I posted that the OP said he had tried similar with a coat
> hanger and abandoned the effort. Still, there's gotta be enough of a
> reveal on that drawer front to get something like a thin knife blade
> into it. The ruler made the most sense to me simply because I have
> one sitting in the computer desk, it's strong and thinner than a
> knife blade, and, more importantly, I've solved this very problem
> with it on numerous occasions. The OP isn't the only one who harbors
> a SWMBO who can overload a drawer<g>.
>

It's a common occurance in this household...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

On 3/7/2015 10:24 AM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/6/2015 12:10 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>
>>
>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
>> to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
>> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
>> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>
>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>
> While this info won't help you, since it seems your need is urgent.
> I did some research on this a few weeks ago.
>
> I would avoid the handheld units.
> I found that you can get very good long units that plug into your
> computer for way less money than the typical handhelds.
>
> __AND.. with a lot more resolution.__
>
>
>
can you name a few or provide a few sites?

On 3/7/15 11:48 AM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 09:37:18 -0800 (PST), "Gramps' shop"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I decided to pass on the HF unit when they excluded this from the
>> 20% off coupon.
>
> What? How exactly did you determine the inspection camera is
> "excluded from the 20% off coupon"?
>

It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with the
coupon.
Even though this is their official policy, I've run across the
occasional manager who will approve it.


--

-MIKE-

"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
--
http://mikedrums.com
[email protected]
---remove "DOT" ^^^^ to reply

On 3/7/15 12:01 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 17:48:36 +0000, Spalted Walt
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 09:37:18 -0800 (PST), "Gramps' shop"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I decided to pass on the HF unit when they excluded this from the
>>> 20% off coupon.
>>
>> What? How exactly did you determine the inspection camera is
>> "excluded from the 20% off coupon"?
>
> Just noticed on HF website they're having a "Parking Lot Sale" which
> is listed as an exclusion on the coupon.
>

Doesn't matter where the sale is.
Their 20% coupons state "cannot be used with any other discount..."
I see the parking lot sale listed on the coupon, too. Strange that they
would feel the need to list that, since any kind of discount would fall
under the category of "any other discount" which is already on the
coupon. :-)

Stupid lawyers.


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On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with
>> the coupon.
>
> That is simply not true.
>

Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
"Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..."
so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.

Now, perhaps this is a region thing. Perhaps the Harbor Freight 20% off
coupons you get don't have that written in the fine print. Is that the
case?


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On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with
>>>> the coupon.
>>>
>>> That is simply not true.
>>>
>>
>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
>> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..."
>> so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
>
> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale".
> Note how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items".
> You or anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>
> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on an
> item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak to the
> manager.
>
> HTH
>

Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the very
definition of a discount.
If you do not understand that simple fact there is nothing more I can do
to explain it.


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On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20%
>>>>>> off with the coupon.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
>>>> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..." so yes,
>>>> it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
>>>
>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note how
>>> the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or anyone
>>> reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to buy
>>> ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>>
>>>
>>>
The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on
>>> an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak
>>> to the manager.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>
>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the
>> very definition of a discount. If you do not understand that simple
>> fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
>
> Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=
>

If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out when
you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official policy, I've
run across the occasional manager who will approve it."

In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20% off
coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously different. All I
can do is quote their policy.


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Spalted Walt wrote:

>
> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on an
> item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak to the
> manager.
>

A minor adjustment - though it does not directly contradict what you say
above... There are specific items that are excluded from discounts like the
20% coupon. Don't know if this item is one of them or not.

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On 3/7/15 5:10 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:57:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20%
>>>>>>>> off with the coupon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
>>>>>> "Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..." so yes,
>>>>>> it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.
>>>>>
>>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note how
>>>>> the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or anyone
>>>>> reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to buy
>>>>> ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on
>>>>> an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak
>>>>> to the manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is the
>>>> very definition of a discount. If you do not understand that simple
>>>> fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
>>>
>>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=
>>>
>>
>> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out when
>> you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official policy, I've
>> run across the occasional manager who will approve it."
>>
>> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20% off
>> coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously different. All I
>> can do is quote their policy.
>
> Apology accepted.
>

I don't think so, bud.


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On 3/7/15 6:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE-
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional
>>>>>>>> 20% off with the coupon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has
>>>>>> stated "Cannot be used with any other discount or
>>>>>> coupon..." so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense
>>>>>> of the word.
>>>>>
>>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note
>>>>> how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or
>>>>> anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
>>>>> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon
>>>>> on an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to
>>>>> speak to the manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is
>>>> the very definition of a discount. If you do not understand
>>>> that simple fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
>>>
>>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=
>>>
>>
>> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out
>> when you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official
>> policy, I've run across the occasional manager who will approve
>> it."
>>
>> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20%
>> off coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously
>> different. All I can do is quote their policy.
>>
>
> Interesting 2013 thread found at the following link, but be sure to
> read both pages. There's a response from HF to an email from a
> customer asking about their "official policy" followed by "web site
> tested" proof that the "official" answer given in the email appears
> to be incorrect.
>
> http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=58239
>
> In my experience with 2 local HF stores, a 3rd store about 150 miles
> away and purchases on their website, I have never had a problem
> applying the 20% coupon to sale items unless they were specifically
> excluded. With the humans, I guess you could call allowing the 20% of
> "a consistent mistake" or perhaps many unseen overrides at the
> register. However, when the discount is applied to sale items on the
> website, I have to assume it's policy. I just checked a few items on
> the website. In the cart, some sale items specifically say that they
> are excluded from "certain" coupon offers, other sale items do not.
> Those that don't include the exclusion wording accepted a 25% off
> coupon code.
>

It seems like that forum thread echos what is happening in here.
The official store policy seems to be in question even by local store
managers.

Like I said, all I did was state their policy and that thread backs up
the policy I stated.
It goes on to support what I also wrote, that some managers will allow
the coupon for "on-sale" items and others won't.

You two guys are running into managers who will.
I'm running into about 50/50, those who do and those who don't.

The OP seems to have run into one who won't allow it.


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On 3/7/15 8:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 9:09:38 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/7/15 6:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional
>>>>>>>>>> 20% off with the coupon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has
>>>>>>>> stated "Cannot be used with any other discount or
>>>>>>>> coupon..." so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense
>>>>>>>> of the word.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note
>>>>>>> how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or
>>>>>>> anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
>>>>>>> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>>>>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon
>>>>>>> on an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to
>>>>>>> speak to the manager.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is
>>>>>> the very definition of a discount. If you do not understand
>>>>>> that simple fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out
>>>> when you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official
>>>> policy, I've run across the occasional manager who will approve
>>>> it."
>>>>
>>>> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20%
>>>> off coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously
>>>> different. All I can do is quote their policy.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting 2013 thread found at the following link, but be sure to
>>> read both pages. There's a response from HF to an email from a
>>> customer asking about their "official policy" followed by "web site
>>> tested" proof that the "official" answer given in the email appears
>>> to be incorrect.
>>>
>>> http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=58239
>>>
>>> In my experience with 2 local HF stores, a 3rd store about 150 miles
>>> away and purchases on their website, I have never had a problem
>>> applying the 20% coupon to sale items unless they were specifically
>>> excluded. With the humans, I guess you could call allowing the 20% of
>>> "a consistent mistake" or perhaps many unseen overrides at the
>>> register. However, when the discount is applied to sale items on the
>>> website, I have to assume it's policy. I just checked a few items on
>>> the website. In the cart, some sale items specifically say that they
>>> are excluded from "certain" coupon offers, other sale items do not.
>>> Those that don't include the exclusion wording accepted a 25% off
>>> coupon code.
>>>
>>
>> It seems like that forum thread echos what is happening in here.
>> The official store policy seems to be in question even by local store
>> managers.
>
> Did you miss this part:
>
> "A store recently opened in Southaven MS, (Memphis area, 2nd store in the area). The first and older store usually applied the 20% coupon without hesitating. The new store's personnel, without hesitating would say that the 20% would NOT apply and didn't even try. I argued on two different occasion and they got tired of arguing and decided to input the 20% just to show me! Well, both times the register allowed it. The third time months later, I noticed a change in general policy: the cashier said, I don't think it will accept the 20% but I will try it. She input the 20% and it took it. At least I did not have to argue."
>
> It doesn't sound like any managers were involved. It was nothing more than cashiers scanning coupons and letting the computer decide. Read on...because that has been my experience also.
>
>>
>> Like I said, all I did was state their policy and that thread backs up
>> the policy I stated.
>> It goes on to support what I also wrote, that some managers will allow
>> the coupon for "on-sale" items and others won't.
>>
>> You two guys are running into managers who will.
>> I'm running into about 50/50, those who do and those who don't.
>
> I don't recall ever saying I was dealing with managers.
>
> The kid behind the counter with the spike in his nose isn't a manager at my local store. He's just a nice kid who scans coupons and lets the computer tell him what is allowed and what isn't. I've never had to have a manager approve anything related to a 20% off coupon on a non-excluded sale item.
>
> I'm pretty sure the website doesn't have a manager approving coupon codes either.
>
> Try this...
>
> Expand the text for the first coupon here, which includes the "official policy" about "Cannot be used with other discount,..."
>
> http://www.retailmenot.com/view/harborfreight.com?c=6723610
>
> Copy the Coupon Code or just use this: 21741290
>
> Add this currently on-sale item to your cart and paste that code into the Coupon Code field:
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/multipositional-magnetic-base-with-fine-adjustment-5645.html
>
> The discount will be applied to the on-sale item. Unless there is a manager lurking inside my computer, I have a feeling that "sale" does not fit the very definition of "discount" in the HF world.
>
> The spiked nose kid at the store "let" me use the coupon, the website will let me use a coupon code. No manager, no overrides, just a bunch of computers processing orders under the store's official policy.
>
>>
>> The OP seems to have run into one who won't allow it.
>>
>

We're running in circles, as is common in here.
Enjoy your coupons and I'm glad you have no trouble using them.


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On 3/7/15 9:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 10:43:20 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>> On 3/7/15 8:55 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 9:09:38 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/15 6:16 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>>>>> On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-5, -MIKE- wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/7/15 3:22 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 14:15:58 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/7/15 1:57 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE-
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional
>>>>>>>>>>>> 20% off with the coupon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is simply not true.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has
>>>>>>>>>> stated "Cannot be used with any other discount or
>>>>>>>>>> coupon..." so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense
>>>>>>>>>> of the word.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale". Note
>>>>>>>>> how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items". You or
>>>>>>>>> anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
>>>>>>>>> buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
>>>>>>>>> that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon
>>>>>>>>> on an item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to
>>>>>>>>> speak to the manager.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something on sale for a price lower than the original price is
>>>>>>>> the very definition of a discount. If you do not understand
>>>>>>>> that simple fact there is nothing more I can do to explain it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Crow is a dish best served cold. =^_^=
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you go back to my first reply, which you conveniently edited out
>>>>>> when you quoted me, I wrote, "Even though this is their official
>>>>>> policy, I've run across the occasional manager who will approve
>>>>>> it."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my HF they've always had to call a manager over to allow the 20%
>>>>>> off coupon on "sale" items. Your experience is obviously
>>>>>> different. All I can do is quote their policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting 2013 thread found at the following link, but be sure to
>>>>> read both pages. There's a response from HF to an email from a
>>>>> customer asking about their "official policy" followed by "web site
>>>>> tested" proof that the "official" answer given in the email appears
>>>>> to be incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bt3central.com/showthread.php?t=58239
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience with 2 local HF stores, a 3rd store about 150 miles
>>>>> away and purchases on their website, I have never had a problem
>>>>> applying the 20% coupon to sale items unless they were specifically
>>>>> excluded. With the humans, I guess you could call allowing the 20% of
>>>>> "a consistent mistake" or perhaps many unseen overrides at the
>>>>> register. However, when the discount is applied to sale items on the
>>>>> website, I have to assume it's policy. I just checked a few items on
>>>>> the website. In the cart, some sale items specifically say that they
>>>>> are excluded from "certain" coupon offers, other sale items do not.
>>>>> Those that don't include the exclusion wording accepted a 25% off
>>>>> coupon code.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems like that forum thread echos what is happening in here.
>>>> The official store policy seems to be in question even by local store
>>>> managers.
>>>
>>> Did you miss this part:
>>>
>>> "A store recently opened in Southaven MS, (Memphis area, 2nd store in the area). The first and older store usually applied the 20% coupon without hesitating. The new store's personnel, without hesitating would say that the 20% would NOT apply and didn't even try. I argued on two different occasion and they got tired of arguing and decided to input the 20% just to show me! Well, both times the register allowed it. The third time months later, I noticed a change in general policy: the cashier said, I don't think it will accept the 20% but I will try it. She input the 20% and it took it. At least I did not have to argue."
>>>
>>> It doesn't sound like any managers were involved. It was nothing more than cashiers scanning coupons and letting the computer decide. Read on...because that has been my experience also.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, all I did was state their policy and that thread backs up
>>>> the policy I stated.
>>>> It goes on to support what I also wrote, that some managers will allow
>>>> the coupon for "on-sale" items and others won't.
>>>>
>>>> You two guys are running into managers who will.
>>>> I'm running into about 50/50, those who do and those who don't.
>>>
>>> I don't recall ever saying I was dealing with managers.
>>>
>>> The kid behind the counter with the spike in his nose isn't a manager at my local store. He's just a nice kid who scans coupons and lets the computer tell him what is allowed and what isn't. I've never had to have a manager approve anything related to a 20% off coupon on a non-excluded sale item.
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure the website doesn't have a manager approving coupon codes either.
>>>
>>> Try this...
>>>
>>> Expand the text for the first coupon here, which includes the "official policy" about "Cannot be used with other discount,..."
>>>
>>> http://www.retailmenot.com/view/harborfreight.com?c=6723610
>>>
>>> Copy the Coupon Code or just use this: 21741290
>>>
>>> Add this currently on-sale item to your cart and paste that code into the Coupon Code field:
>>>
>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/multipositional-magnetic-base-with-fine-adjustment-5645.html
>>>
>>> The discount will be applied to the on-sale item. Unless there is a manager lurking inside my computer, I have a feeling that "sale" does not fit the very definition of "discount" in the HF world.
>>>
>>> The spiked nose kid at the store "let" me use the coupon, the website will let me use a coupon code. No manager, no overrides, just a bunch of computers processing orders under the store's official policy.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The OP seems to have run into one who won't allow it.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> We're running in circles, as is common in here.
>> Enjoy your coupons and I'm glad you have no trouble using them.
>>
>
> There's no circle...there's 2 straight lines:
>
> Your line keeps ending up with managers sometimes approving discounts, sometimes not.
>
> My line gets the discounts without any managers.
>
> I like my line better. It's easier and cheaper.
>

Awesome. I wish I were you.


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On 3/8/2015 12:31 PM, woodchucker wrote:
> On 3/7/2015 10:49 AM, Meanie wrote:
>> On 3/7/2015 10:24 AM, woodchucker wrote:
>>> On 3/6/2015 12:10 PM, Gramps' shop wrote:
>>>> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of
>>>> futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need
>>>> to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in
>>>> troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes --
>>>> one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>>>>
>>>> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>
>>> While this info won't help you, since it seems your need is urgent.
>>> I did some research on this a few weeks ago.
>>>
>>> I would avoid the handheld units.
>>> I found that you can get very good long units that plug into your
>>> computer for way less money than the typical handhelds.
>>>
>>> __AND.. with a lot more resolution.__
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> can you name a few or provide a few sites?
>
> http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ausb%20inspection%20camera
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=usb+inspection+camera&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&rmvSB=true
>
>
Awesome.

Thank you

On 3/8/2015 1:43 PM, Meanie wrote:
> On 3/8/2015 12:31 PM, woodchucker wrote:
>> On 3/7/2015 10:49 AM, Meanie wrote:

[snip]

>>>>
>>> can you name a few or provide a few sites?
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ausb%20inspection%20camera
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/items/?_nkw=usb+inspection+camera&_sacat=&_ex_kw=&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo=&_udhi=&_sop=12&_fpos=&_fspt=1&_sadis=&LH_CAds=&rmvSB=true
>>
>>
>>
> Awesome.
>
> Thank you

The first one that comes up on that ebay link is, I think, the one I
bought. More fun than humans should have with their clothes on for
under $20. Decent image and lighting and, if by some chance you mess it
up, you're out the cost of a couple of beers at the corner bar.

Seriously, biggest drawback is having the connect it to a laptop or netbook.

On 3/7/2015 11:37 AM, Gramps' shop wrote:

[snip]

>> I would avoid the handheld units.
>> I found that you can get very good long units that plug into your
>> computer for way less money than the typical handhelds.
>>
>> __AND.. with a lot more resolution.__
>>
--
>> Jeff
>
> I decided to pass on the HF unit when they excluded this from the 20% off coupon. Jeff ... can you give me a link to the computer-based unit?

Got mine on ebay. Tons of them as I recall. Don't have it handy but
IIRC, it cost me less than $25 delivered, has about a 25" flex cable
with LED(s) and the necessary software. It's connected via USB so you
can add a USB extension cord and you'll be pretty much good to go.

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 17:48:36 +0000, Spalted Walt <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 09:37:18 -0800 (PST), "Gramps' shop"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I decided to pass on the HF unit when they excluded this from the 20% off coupon.
>
>What? How exactly did you determine the inspection camera is "excluded
>from the 20% off coupon"?

Just noticed on HF website they're having a "Parking Lot Sale" which
is listed as an exclusion on the coupon.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 09:10:01 -0800 (PST), "Gramps' shop"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
>http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
>The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in from the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting. Hopefully I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and one for the coat hanger.
>
>Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>
>Larry

I have no experience with the item you're considering, but if you DO
decide to buy it, you can save $14:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3199498&d=1420968909

Might as well pick up one of these wile you're there:

http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3221282&d=1422088177

http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3169410&d=1419332748

On 06 Mar 2015 22:11:46 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

>I downloaded the flashlight app for my phone. For Windows Phone, it's
>one of the most useful apps because it doesn't just give you a
>flashlight, but a battery meter on the lock screen. Sure has come in
>handy.
>
>Puckdropper

Be very careful with those flashlight apps!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Q8xz8xKEFvU

http://www.snoopwall.com/threat-reports-10-01-2014/

https://blogs.mcafee.com/consumer/android-flashlight-app-steals-data

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:20:35 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 3/7/15 12:09 PM, Spalted Walt wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 12:01:09 -0600, -MIKE- <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's already on sale, so you can't take the additional 20% off with
>>> the coupon.
>>
>> That is simply not true.
>>
>
>Every Harbor Freight 20% off coupon I've ever seen has stated
>"Cannot be used with any other discount or coupon..."
>so yes, it simply is true, in the truest sense of the word.

In HF's world "Discount" does NOT equal items on "Sale".
Note how the coupon doesn't say "excludes Sale items".
You or anyone reading this can use a 20% coupon at your local HF to
buy ANYTHING at this link (for example):

http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/woodworking.html?limit=60

The only caveat being during 'Parking Lot Sale' weekends. Other than
that, if you ever have a cashier refuse to honor a 20% coupon on an
item that is on 'sale', she/he is being a cunt, ask to speak to the
manager.

HTH

"Gramps' shop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Any of you folks have one of these>?
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-inspection-camera-61839.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1015b&utm_source=1021&cid=mEmail_s1021_c1015b
>
> The bride jammed a drawer in the china cabinet and no amount of futzing
> and wiggling will get it open enough to free the jam. I need to drill in
> from the back and think a scope will be helpful in troubleshooting.
> Hopefully I can free this with two small holes -- one for the scope and
> one for the coat hanger.
>
> Comments on this HF unit will be appreciated.
>
> Larry


Lee Valley offers this $99 unit with adjustable LEDs, viewable with a
downloadable app for your smarty phone:
http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=72613&cat=1,43456

Dave in SoTex

On 3/7/2015 6:59 AM, Mike Marlow wrote:
> Unquestionably Confused wrote:

[snip]

>>
>> Reading this, I think that I might be tempted to look around and see
>> if I could locate my 18" stainless steel flat ruler and try sliding
>> it side to side as I pulled it slowly forward...
>
> Might work - if you can open the drawer just a little bit.

After I posted that the OP said he had tried similar with a coat hanger
and abandoned the effort. Still, there's gotta be enough of a reveal on
that drawer front to get something like a thin knife blade into it. The
ruler made the most sense to me simply because I have one sitting in the
computer desk, it's strong and thinner than a knife blade, and, more
importantly, I've solved this very problem with it on numerous
occasions. The OP isn't the only one who harbors a SWMBO who can
overload a drawer<g>.

Actually, you'd want the drawer fully closed when you started so that
whatever is jamming it is free to move (well, as freely as possible) in
the vertical plane. If the drawer is out a bit and it's already jammed,
it just makes it more difficult.