California Considers Tougher Safety Standards for Tablesaws

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE windstream.net> wrote:

> marc rosen wrote:

>> The California State Assembly is considering a bill that will
>> require all tablesaws sold in the state be equipped with
>> SawStop-like technology, which can detect and prevent blade
>> contact injuries. Called the Table Saw Safety Act, the
>> legislation was introduced by Assemblyman Das Williams (D-
>> Santa Barbara), and, if passed, will be included in
>> California’s Health and Safety Code.
>>
>> The legislation has caused a stir among tablesaw manufacturers,
>> with a few posting “legislative action advisory” on their
>> websites, urging folks to contact Williams and other members of
>> the California Assembly to voice their opposition to the
>> legislation. The fear among manufacturers is that such a law
>> will spread quickly to other states. If passed, the bill would
>> go into effect Jan. 1, 2015. Any seller that does not comply
>> will be subject to a civil fine, with a maximum of $5,000 per
>> sale.
>>
>> The announcement of the bill comes as the U.S. Consumer Product
>> Safety Commision ponders the same possible requirements on a
>> national scale.
>
> No surprise - it's California. Easy to beat this though. Just
> have to show that "SawStop-like technologies" contain elements
> known to cause cancer...

Groucho Marx...
"known to cause cancer in California"
good thing we don't live in California

They are drowning in debt. Their prisons are so overcrowded (they
are like dungeons), our supreme court recently ordered California
to release 35,000 prisoners. Any politician from California trying
to sound authoritative makes me wonder.

On 03/16/2012 08:58 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> Dave wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:40:02 -0500, "HeyBub"<[email protected]>
>>> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of
>>> California about $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs
>>> Texas $55. Now we in Texas could take tens of thousands of
>>> California convicts and charge California a mere $100/day each (FOB).
>>
>> Shouldn't be a problem. I'm betting the rest of the US would be
>> willing to send all their convicts to be housed in Texas.
>>
>> And, Leon and Swingman would be happy to teach all those convicts the
>> trade of woodworking and home renovation. The convicts could build
>> their own prisons.
>>
>
> In Texas, they do. Texas prisoners also grow better than 90% of the food
> they eat (exceptions include coffee, tea, pepper, salt, milk, and a few
> other things). They also grow, harvest, and gin their own cotton. From this
> they make their own clothes and most other textiles.
>
> In addition, Texas Correctional Industries makes or repairs stuff for other
> agencies. Everything from mops and saddles to repairing school busses. For a
> bewildering array of products, look here:
>
> http://www.tci.tdcj.state.tx.us/
>
> In many other states, I'm told, the only thing inmates make is a shiv.
>
>
>
Arizona's Maricopa County inmates keep busy including:

http://www.mcso.org/Mash/Default.aspx


--
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gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery"
-Winston Churchill

J. Clarke wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> [email protected] says...
>>
>> John Doe wrote:
>>>
>>> They are drowning in debt. Their prisons are so overcrowded (they
>>> are like dungeons), our supreme court recently ordered California
>>> to release 35,000 prisoners. Any politician from California trying
>>> to sound authoritative makes me wonder.
>>
>> Hmm. First, I'd try to figure out which California city had the most
>> liberal government, a lot tougher task than it might appear on the
>> surface.
>>
>> Then I'd release the 35,000 inmates who called that city home.
>>
>> In the alternative, release them to either Sacramento or the home
>> towns of the judges who voted for such an insane ruling.
>>
>> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of
>> California about $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs
>> Texas $55. Now we in Texas could take tens of thousands of
>> California convicts and charge California a mere $100/day each (FOB).
>>
>> Both states would come out ahead.
>
> But what if what they did wasn't a crime in Texas?

Doesn't matter.

Article IV, Section I provides "Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each
State to the ... judicial proceedings of every other State;..."

On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:43:28 -0400, "Mike Marlow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>marc rosen wrote:
>> (Pasted from Fine woodwroking website. Some of you may already be
>> aware of this, I wasn't)
>> Marc
>>
>> The California State Assembly is considering a bill that will require
>> all tablesaws sold in the state be equipped with SawStop-like
>> technology, which can detect and prevent blade contact injuries.
>> Called the Table Saw Safety Act, the legislation was introduced by
>> Assemblyman Das Williams (D- Santa Barbara), and, if passed, will be
>> included in California’s Health and Safety Code.
>>
>> The legislation has caused a stir among tablesaw manufacturers, with a
>> few posting “legislative action advisory” on their websites, urging
>> folks to contact Williams and other members of the California Assembly
>> to voice their opposition to the legislation. The fear among
>> manufacturers is that such a law will spread quickly to other states.
>> If passed, the bill would go into effect Jan. 1, 2015. Any seller that
>> does not comply will be subject to a civil fine, with a maximum of
>> $5,000 per sale.
>>
>> The announcement of the bill comes as the U.S. Consumer Product Safety
>> Commision ponders the same possible requirements on a national scale.
>
>No surprise - it's California. Easy to beat this though. Just have to show
>that "SawStop-like technologies" contain elements known to cause cancer...

The noise from a saurstop engaging caused my brother to miscarry. Ban
them today!

--
Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing.
This is the ultimate. -- Chuang-tzu

"Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> marc rosen wrote:
>> (Pasted from Fine woodwroking website. Some of you may already be
>> aware of this, I wasn't)
>> Marc
>>
>> The California State Assembly is considering a bill that will require
>> all tablesaws sold in the state be equipped with SawStop-like
>> technology,

<Snip>
No surprise - it's California. Easy to beat this though. Just have to show
> that "SawStop-like technologies" contain elements known to cause cancer...
>
> --
>
Perhaps a little more simple. Maybe all table saw manufacturers could
incorporate a logo showing a squirrel with the wording 'May contain nuts'.
I hope and pray that the Brussels bureaucrats don't get wind of this.
Bu***r - too late!
Now we'll be swarmed by bods in yellow suits armed with clipboards.
I've used all kinds of saws for about fifty years. Still have all my digits
and parts thereof. Common sense is the requirement but, of course that
cannot be legislative. Thus does not keep suits at the office (I hesitate to
use the word 'work').

Just my 2p's worth.

Nick.
England.

Dave wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:40:02 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of
>> California about $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs
>> Texas $55. Now we in Texas could take tens of thousands of
>> California convicts and charge California a mere $100/day each (FOB).
>
> Shouldn't be a problem. I'm betting the rest of the US would be
> willing to send all their convicts to be housed in Texas.
>
> And, Leon and Swingman would be happy to teach all those convicts the
> trade of woodworking and home renovation. The convicts could build
> their own prisons.
>

In Texas, they do. Texas prisoners also grow better than 90% of the food
they eat (exceptions include coffee, tea, pepper, salt, milk, and a few
other things). They also grow, harvest, and gin their own cotton. From this
they make their own clothes and most other textiles.

In addition, Texas Correctional Industries makes or repairs stuff for other
agencies. Everything from mops and saddles to repairing school busses. For a
bewildering array of products, look here:

http://www.tci.tdcj.state.tx.us/

In many other states, I'm told, the only thing inmates make is a shiv.

"HeyBub" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Larry W wrote:

> There are problems with prison labor. In some places, like in the article
> you cite, prison labor is used to enrich a private enterprise. In other
> places, there is an opportunity for graft in the purchasing of supplies
> needed by inmates (food, uniforms, building materials, etc.).

I've got a wooden molding plane that was made at Auburn prison...

NY has there CorCraft operation that produces all kinds of things used in
the prisons and throughout govt. For example office furniture and
mattresses. They closed all the prison farms to "save money" a few years
ago. An unintended consequence of that is we also lost our local pheasant
operation.

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> John Doe wrote:
> >
> > They are drowning in debt. Their prisons are so overcrowded (they
> > are like dungeons), our supreme court recently ordered California
> > to release 35,000 prisoners. Any politician from California trying
> > to sound authoritative makes me wonder.
>
> Hmm. First, I'd try to figure out which California city had the most liberal
> government, a lot tougher task than it might appear on the surface.
>
> Then I'd release the 35,000 inmates who called that city home.
>
> In the alternative, release them to either Sacramento or the home towns of
> the judges who voted for such an insane ruling.
>
> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of California about
> $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs Texas $55. Now we in
> Texas could take tens of thousands of California convicts and charge
> California a mere $100/day each (FOB).
>
> Both states would come out ahead.

But what if what they did wasn't a crime in Texas?

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
>
> "Mike Marlow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > marc rosen wrote:
> >> (Pasted from Fine woodwroking website. Some of you may already be
> >> aware of this, I wasn't)
> >> Marc
> >>
> >> The California State Assembly is considering a bill that will require
> >> all tablesaws sold in the state be equipped with SawStop-like
> >> technology,
>
> <Snip>
> No surprise - it's California. Easy to beat this though. Just have to show
> > that "SawStop-like technologies" contain elements known to cause cancer...
> >
> > --
> >
> Perhaps a little more simple. Maybe all table saw manufacturers could
> incorporate a logo showing a squirrel with the wording 'May contain nuts'.
> I hope and pray that the Brussels bureaucrats don't get wind of this.
> Bu***r - too late!
> Now we'll be swarmed by bods in yellow suits armed with clipboards.
> I've used all kinds of saws for about fifty years. Still have all my digits
> and parts thereof. Common sense is the requirement but, of course that
> cannot be legislative. Thus does not keep suits at the office (I hesitate to
> use the word 'work').
>
> Just my 2p's worth.

We need a Constitutional Amendment that no law may be enacted which has
the effect of forcing American businesses to give preference to a
product made outside the US over products made inside the US regardless
of the societal objective of the legislation.

Which, if enacted, would mean that Gass has to pony up and open an
American factory if he wants his law to be enacted.

Personally I hope his POS shorts out on him and electrocutes him.

Larry W wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> HeyBub <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Dave wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:40:02 -0500, "HeyBub"
>>> <[email protected]>
>>>> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of
>>>> California about $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs
>>>> Texas $55. Now we in Texas could take tens of thousands of
>>>> California convicts and charge California a mere $100/day each
>>>> (FOB).
>>>
>>> Shouldn't be a problem. I'm betting the rest of the US would be
>>> willing to send all their convicts to be housed in Texas.
>>>
>>> And, Leon and Swingman would be happy to teach all those convicts
>>> the trade of woodworking and home renovation. The convicts could
>>> build their own prisons.
>>>
>>
>> In Texas, they do. Texas prisoners also grow better than 90% of the
>> food they eat (exceptions include coffee, tea, pepper, salt, milk,
>> and a few other things). They also grow, harvest, and gin their own
>> cotton. From this they make their own clothes and most other
>> textiles.
>>
>> In addition, Texas Correctional Industries makes or repairs stuff
>> for other agencies. Everything from mops and saddles to repairing
>> school busses. For a bewildering array of products, look here:
>>
>> http://www.tci.tdcj.state.tx.us/
>>
>> In many other states, I'm told, the only thing inmates make is a
>> shiv.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Texas has been very successful in monetizing its prison industry. No
> wonder we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
>
> http://www.thenation.com/article/162478/hidden-history-alec-and-prison-labor

There are problems with prison labor. In some places, like in the article
you cite, prison labor is used to enrich a private enterprise. In other
places, there is an opportunity for graft in the purchasing of supplies
needed by inmates (food, uniforms, building materials, etc.).

Here in Texas, we've tried to minimize both these instances. Prison labor
does NOT make anything for private sale* and the self-sufficiency tends to
avoid the potential for graft in purchasing.

---
* One exception: Inmates can make stuff - from art work to boots and
saddles - for sale in the prison souvenir shop and prison rodeo. The
proceeds go to the prisoner's personal account.

On 3/16/2012 8:40 AM, HeyBub wrote:
> John Doe wrote:
>>
>> They are drowning in debt. Their prisons are so overcrowded (they
>> are like dungeons), our supreme court recently ordered California
>> to release 35,000 prisoners. Any politician from California trying
>> to sound authoritative makes me wonder.
>
> Hmm. First, I'd try to figure out which California city had the most liberal
> government, a lot tougher task than it might appear on the surface.
>
> Then I'd release the 35,000 inmates who called that city home.

Those prisoners probably were in the for selling goods with out the
cancer warning label. ;~)

I wonder if the cancer warning label has to have a cancer warning label?
;~0

>
> In the alternative, release them to either Sacramento or the home towns of
> the judges who voted for such an insane ruling.
>
> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of California about
> $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs Texas $55. Now we in
> Texas could take tens of thousands of California convicts and charge
> California a mere $100/day each (FOB).

Screw that! Charge California $185 per day and they don't have to build
more prisons. I think the California government would buy that or make
it's citizens buy that.

>
> Both states would come out ahead.
>
>

marc rosen wrote:
> (Pasted from Fine woodwroking website. Some of you may already be
> aware of this, I wasn't)
> Marc
>
> The California State Assembly is considering a bill that will require
> all tablesaws sold in the state be equipped with SawStop-like
> technology, which can detect and prevent blade contact injuries.
> Called the Table Saw Safety Act, the legislation was introduced by
> Assemblyman Das Williams (D- Santa Barbara), and, if passed, will be
> included in California’s Health and Safety Code.
>
> The legislation has caused a stir among tablesaw manufacturers, with a
> few posting “legislative action advisory” on their websites, urging
> folks to contact Williams and other members of the California Assembly
> to voice their opposition to the legislation. The fear among
> manufacturers is that such a law will spread quickly to other states.
> If passed, the bill would go into effect Jan. 1, 2015. Any seller that
> does not comply will be subject to a civil fine, with a maximum of
> $5,000 per sale.
>
> The announcement of the bill comes as the U.S. Consumer Product Safety
> Commision ponders the same possible requirements on a national scale.

No surprise - it's California. Easy to beat this though. Just have to show
that "SawStop-like technologies" contain elements known to cause cancer...

--

-Mike-
[email protected]

John Doe wrote:
>
> They are drowning in debt. Their prisons are so overcrowded (they
> are like dungeons), our supreme court recently ordered California
> to release 35,000 prisoners. Any politician from California trying
> to sound authoritative makes me wonder.

Hmm. First, I'd try to figure out which California city had the most liberal
government, a lot tougher task than it might appear on the surface.

Then I'd release the 35,000 inmates who called that city home.

In the alternative, release them to either Sacramento or the home towns of
the judges who voted for such an insane ruling.

On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of California about
$175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs Texas $55. Now we in
Texas could take tens of thousands of California convicts and charge
California a mere $100/day each (FOB).

Both states would come out ahead.

In article <[email protected]>,
HeyBub <[email protected]> wrote:
>Dave wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:40:02 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>>> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of
>>> California about $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs
>>> Texas $55. Now we in Texas could take tens of thousands of
>>> California convicts and charge California a mere $100/day each (FOB).
>>
>> Shouldn't be a problem. I'm betting the rest of the US would be
>> willing to send all their convicts to be housed in Texas.
>>
>> And, Leon and Swingman would be happy to teach all those convicts the
>> trade of woodworking and home renovation. The convicts could build
>> their own prisons.
>>
>
>In Texas, they do. Texas prisoners also grow better than 90% of the food
>they eat (exceptions include coffee, tea, pepper, salt, milk, and a few
>other things). They also grow, harvest, and gin their own cotton. From this
>they make their own clothes and most other textiles.
>
>In addition, Texas Correctional Industries makes or repairs stuff for other
>agencies. Everything from mops and saddles to repairing school busses. For a
>bewildering array of products, look here:
>
>http://www.tci.tdcj.state.tx.us/
>
>In many other states, I'm told, the only thing inmates make is a shiv.
>
>
>

Texas has been very successful in monetizing its prison industry. No wonder
we have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

http://www.thenation.com/article/162478/hidden-history-alec-and-prison-labor


--
Make it as simple as possible, but not simpler. (Albert Einstein)

Larry Wasserman - Baltimore Maryland - lwasserm(a)sdf. lonestar. org

On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:40:02 -0500, "HeyBub" <[email protected]>
>On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of California about
>$175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs Texas $55. Now we in
>Texas could take tens of thousands of California convicts and charge
>California a mere $100/day each (FOB).

Shouldn't be a problem. I'm betting the rest of the US would be
willing to send all their convicts to be housed in Texas.

And, Leon and Swingman would be happy to teach all those convicts the
trade of woodworking and home renovation. The convicts could build
their own prisons.

They wouldn't have SawStops though. Who cares if a few (or a lot) of
convicts lose some fingers? It sounds like a win win situation to me.

Leon wrote:
>
>>
>> In the alternative, release them to either Sacramento or the home
>> towns of the judges who voted for such an insane ruling.
>>
>> On a more practical matter, I believe it costs the state of
>> California about $175/day to house a prisoner whereas it only costs
>> Texas $55. Now we in Texas could take tens of thousands of
>> California convicts and charge California a mere $100/day each (FOB).
>
> Screw that! Charge California $185 per day and they don't have to
> build more prisons. I think the California government would buy that
> or make it's citizens buy that.
>

Aw, it's a pipe-dream anyway. Most Texans don't want any more Californians
in the state, even in the prisons. Pretty soon, they'd be having "encounter
sessions" and "aroma therapy." We'd be doomed.